Re-Dialing In To TRT with NO AI

Don’t listen to ksman. Don’t take iodine or self treat thyroid. My E2 is 77. What matters is what issues are you having?

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This needs to be stickied somewhere. There’s so much newer/better info out there now that isn’t flat out wrong.

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If you only knew some of the ridiculous things I tried based on stuff that I ‘learned’ from him back in the day… fml

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1mg of anastrazole per 100mg of TEST, thank god i never went that high…

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This was a great video.
I like that you asked him about dhea and metformin.

Adding dhea may screw up your body stabilizing. I think dhea is suppressed because we are on exo testosterone. So when we add dhea it will probably lean towards not converting to t but other hormones.

I would like to know more about this.

I determined that dhea caused me to retain water the 2 times I tried it. And I was only taking 10mg

And Dr grant among other Drs I’ve heard on this field like daily Cialis. Am on that. Helps with heart and being able to have little to no foreplay.

I’m so happy I didn’t throw in the towel of trying to find a doctor and self prescribe because I thought ksman had all the answers to what needed to be done. Dodged a bullet there.

I’ve cycled in the past without an AI, higher doses, not very high, but higher than TRT doses and always felt GREAT.

I don’t know why I decided to use an AI other than listening to how KSman was worshipped here and his threads stickied. Terrible decision. I’m 1 week into now not using an AI and things are on the up, up. Only noticing some slight tiredness but I’m presuming this is all a part of getting “re-dialed” in.

TRT without an AI I can imagine is so much more enjoyable and can honestly not wait till I get dialed in. Someone needs to sticky all of the side effects that an AI even at 0.5mg a week can create, and address how estradiol helps heart function, breathing function, as this information isn’t to widely available via direct search. I’m sure it’s discussed in podcasts but there needs to be easier ways for nOObs to find this info

You’d be wrong. I know a TON of men way above the clinical range with no AI (myself included). An extreme example is one guy taking 1200mg of testosterone a week with NO AI and he’s doing amazing. To say “the only way possible” is false. The only reason I started taking an AI way back when was learning it on forums like these at the time and then arguing with my doctors that I needed to block estrogen.

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Yes my doctor never wanted to put me on it Dr. O’Connor in CT.
When dropping the AI, do you remember certain things you noticed in weekly milestones? I feel as if our experiences are very similar and it’d be foretelling.

I don’t understand, 30 isn’t THAT high, it’s like marginally over the ref range right?

I disagree with the notion of AI use, but to be fair you can’t take testosterone without problems/aggravating medical ailments either

True. I’ve felt my BEST at like 220mg/wk, after that the benefits don’t seem to increase (or decrease)

Not healthy for long term use, this is a cycle… not TRT (barring PAIS patients), granted it’s not like he’s smoking crack on a daily basis, still WAY too high for long term use

Correct. Top of the range is 25’ish

Agreed not good for health long term. Amazing meaning zero issues or side effects. He doesn’t stay up there for more than 8-10 weeks at a time.

What does he cruise at

Is he super jacked? I mean… 1200mg is like gymbro/competitive bodybuilder dosages (many use a lot more though)

What is the long term outlook on dosing 140mg vs 220mg? In terms of overall health markers, heart, etc?

When i was running ~200-220mg my test was 1563 but my free T was the same as on ~180mg

Will reply soon. Short summary is it’s individualistic, there’s no way to know whether x dose will induce long term detriment… one can assume based on literature that repeated cycles of 1200mg will have adverse effects down the line. But with lower dosages it’s a crapshoot, depends how it impacts various parameters. Some will acquire polycythemia, have shit lipids and high blood pressure on 200mg weekly, then you get the freaks who have been on 500mg consistently for 30 years +, echocardiogram… normal… bloods… normal etc

It varies, genetics and lifestyle play a HUGE role

Lots of bodybuildera going this route. John Meadows didn’t use AIs… Greg Doucette never used an AI… Two right there on my channel who stated that. The guy in question is a huge guy but nobody you’d know.

I have heard somewhere John Meadows uses Nolva? and also Seth Feroce says he likes Nolva.

??? I never mentioned AI’s… I’m generally very anti AI. I’ve gone over numerous times the positive effects estrogen has regarding glucose/lipid metabolism, endothelial function, neurological regulation etc

Blocking hormonal conversion enzymes generally has profound downstream effects… just look at what happened with the 5 a reductive inhibitor fad!

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Is that guy taking a dht compound?