I’ve been experimenting lately by adding more raw ingredients to shakes to make them more nutritionally vital. Any add raw ingredients to shakes? I usually use avocado, tomato, banana, greens etc. Of course I modify if fruits if cutting.
Most of the spinach I eat is blended with water and pounded.
Because chewing spinach is nasty.
[quote]slimthugger wrote:
I’ve been experimenting lately by adding more raw ingredients to shakes to make them more nutritionally vital. Any add raw ingredients to shakes? I usually use avocado, tomato, banana, greens etc. Of course I modify if fruits if cutting. [/quote]
Raw as opposed to cooked? or whole as opposed to processed?
I’m curious what cooked foods you’d put into shakes.
I’ve done whole eggs, oats all the time, any fruit, cottage cheese…
I use to do 1 1/2 cups of oats and 4 raw eggs blended with breakfast cause I just didnt have the appetite to chew I guess, it worked alright but I’m having better gains actually chewing my food these days…
sample.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
slimthugger wrote:
I’ve been experimenting lately by adding more raw ingredients to shakes to make them more nutritionally vital. Any add raw ingredients to shakes? I usually use avocado, tomato, banana, greens etc. Of course I modify if fruits if cutting.
Raw as opposed to cooked? or whole as opposed to processed?
I’m curious what cooked foods you’d put into shakes.[/quote]
Online it’s hard to tell if someone is for real or joking. I’ll assume you’re for real. By Raw I mean foods that haven’t been processed above a heat of 110 degrees, hence not killing vital enzymes.
By the way, what are these “vital enzymes” in fruits and vegetables (the name of one would be great) and is there one piece of evidence anywhere of it being absorbed intact into the bloodstream if consumed raw?
Excluding papain and bromelain.
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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
By the way, what are these “vital enzymes” in fruits and vegetables (the name of one would be great) and is there one piece of evidence anywhere of it being absorbed intact into the bloodstream if consumed raw?
Excluding papain and bromelain.
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No thanks, don’t need to prove or explain anything. Veges and fruits are healthy. period. Enjoy the post. Go make a smoothie.
Well, then perhaps you will grant, though I doubt you will, that your claim regarding enzymes is one you made with no substantiation behind it.
If there’s nothing behind it but myth, it’s not a good reason.
And it is a myth.
Raw/organic always wins for me, until I start comparing price tags.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
slimthugger wrote:
I’ve been experimenting lately by adding more raw ingredients to shakes to make them more nutritionally vital. Any add raw ingredients to shakes? I usually use avocado, tomato, banana, greens etc. Of course I modify if fruits if cutting.
Raw as opposed to cooked? or whole as opposed to processed?
I’m curious what cooked foods you’d put into shakes.[/quote]
Mostly chicken breast, sometimes beans, tuna…
No matter how I cook chicken breast it ends up unpalatable. Maybe the sauce or gravy tastes good but the meat remains the same fucking unpalatable chiken breast! So for me the best thing to do is to blend the shit out of it with some salt, white pepper, raw tomatoes…not that tasty but at least I don’t need to chew it.
From an epidemiological standpoint the healthiest people on earth are those consuming the most unprocessed and raw food.
A bunch of cancer fighting chemicals are prone to be themselves destroyed by heat, or it is the enzymes producing them which are destroyed:
From:
So it doesn’t mean cooking has to be totally avoided but it’s good to know that it does have an effect on some health promoting chemicals.
Where is the evidence that allinase is absorbed intact into the bloodstream?
“In vitro” means it was tested, so to speak, in a test tube.
Here are the things:
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Digestive proteins and acids are going to be a lot harder on enzymes (which are proteins) than cooking is.
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Virtually always the GI tract does not work by absorbing intact proteins, but by absorbing short peptide chains, dipeptides, and some free amino acids resulting from digestion of proteins.
Until you have evidence to the contrary, and I don’t think you’ll get it, the knowledge we have of human digestive and absorption processes is that proteins such as allinase are going to be digested, not absorbed intact, and so their activity as enzymes is going to be destroyed no matter what prior to absorption.
As for plant enzymes that are known to have health benefits, e.g. bromelain, there’s no evidence that I’m aware of either that they reach the bloodstream intact – actually, having bromelain intact in the blood, for example, in any significant seems like it would be a horrible thing as it is so non-selective – or that the health benefit (beyond any aid to digestion) is lost from cooking.
Now if someone wants to say that cooking reduces VITAMIN content that is a different story.
But claiming that it hurts enzymes and therefore reduces health benefits is so far as I know completely unsubstantiated, and no one I’ve ever brought it up to has been able to substantiate it. If however you can that would be interesting.
Bill Roberts, you sure are one of my favourite posters, lol.
Yah…he pretty much knows everything, it’s kind of scary in a way.
BTW bill, neelydan added “lol” at the end of his sentence, don’t forget to attack him!
Jerk!
lol jk
Actually I have a suspicion if you did a search you’d find I post “I don’t know” more often than any other writer that one can easily find.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Well, then perhaps you will grant, though I doubt you will, that your claim regarding enzymes is one you made with no substantiation behind it.
If there’s nothing behind it but myth, it’s not a good reason.
And it is a myth.[/quote]
Good then go ahead and enjoy your cooked food and enjoy a diminished lifespan, mmmkay:)
Magic bullet+ 1/2c frozen bluberries + 1 banana+ 1/2c water= my yummy morning carbs
[quote]MrOldSchool wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Well, then perhaps you will grant, though I doubt you will, that your claim regarding enzymes is one you made with no substantiation behind it.
If there’s nothing behind it but myth, it’s not a good reason.
And it is a myth.
Good then go ahead and enjoy your cooked food and enjoy a diminished lifespan, mmmkay:)[/quote]
Yes, I do enjoy my cooked food, and there is no demonstrated reason why I am shortening my lifespan compared to eating it raw, as in my case there is no concern of winding up short on any vitamins. One has to rely on unsubstantiated assertions to advance the argument you just did. You are free to do so, but any who wish to are also free not to buy them, and really have no reason to do so.