'Raw Deal' Busts Labs Across U.S.

[quote]Schwarzenegger wrote:
Rainjack, perhaps you’ll know more about his than I do. How do you think universal health care would affect this Big Pharma greed shit that has been going strong since the advent of the HMO? Do you think it would put a damper on their political control? I’m not sure if universal health care would impact pharmaceutical companies much, or if it is more non-pharmaceutical health care.[/quote]

I don’t think that greed is a bad thing. If it weren’t for greed - there would have been no Operation Gear Grinder, or Operation Raw Deal. There would be no UG labs, or bulk powder sources.

Big Pharma, unfortunately, is the big dog in the US when it comes to drug laws and asking for their enforcement. If they feel pressure by way of losing revenue from illegal steroid operations - they will want to make sure they get their cut. How do they do this? By pressuring the FDA to soften prescription guidelines for AAS use. This is exactly what happened with human growth hormone.

Greed will never go away.

[quote]firestanggt wrote:
To me it’s worth the extra cash for the piece of mind knowing that i can’t be prosecuted for using.
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Not to mention assuring the quality of the goods. Really, legalized, controlled availability of steroids would be fantastic; and paying taxes – even a substantial amount – wouldn’t be such a bad thing. No legal worries, guaranteed quality, proper information dispensed to the public instead of this propaganda BS.

I’d much rather see kids develop a realistic view of them than think that they’re a) the Holy Grail of sport, and b) disregard all warnings because the authorities are grotesquely exaggerating the sides.

I just got back online today and heard about Operation Raw Deal.

“�??DEA successfully attacked the illegal steroid industry at every level of its distribution network�??from the manufacturers in China who supply the raw materials, to the traffickers in the United States who market the deadly doses. Operation Raw Deal uncovered a clandestine web of international drug dealers who lurk on the Internet for young adults craving the artificial advantage of anabolic steroids,�?? said DEA Administrator Karen P. Tandy. �??Today we reveal the truth behind the underground steroid market: dangerous drugs cooked up all too often in filthy conditions with no regard to safety, giving Americans who purchase them the ultimate raw deal.�??”

What a load of crap. I hate their points of view, that of government officials and LE!

I like Anthonys take on the subject.

I know that it looks grim for the end users and the guys who got busted, but as an overall effect, I’d say that this has the potential to be very good for in the long run for AAS use in this country.

Along the lines of building a better mousetrap- I wonder how difficult it would be to set up a legitimate compounding operation, and shop yourself out to M.D.s as a custom blender?

[quote]InTheZone wrote:
CrewPierce wrote:
Hey tone they stated that they are going after the end consumers as well in this sting. They said that in Opperation Gear Grinder they were going after the suppliers but in this new one they are going after both. They mentioned that they had enough information from the steroid boards to arrest end consumers for years to come, it’s just a matter of going through all the data they collected and issuing warrents.

Needless to say all my gear is gone since they already have my name and address.

Sooo anyone know of any good pro-hormones lol kidding

      I don't know how it would help them to spend time and money to deal with small end users,....I think that the cost would far outweigh the payoff for them...I'm betting that they're going after mainly players of the game for profit, who have substantial property/money/etc. that could be seized and absorbed by the powers that be for their piggy banks...and keep them busy, since the real druggie dealers are much harder to deal with.

              To say it's not unnerving would be a lie though....
                    [/quote]

No offense here, the things you see on “cop shows” are basically true… They want you to roll on somebody (snitch) and they will cut you a “deal”. I personally never rolled on anybody in my past, and if you go to prison, the people that handle ALL the internal paperwork are inmates. (they know everything)

This means “snitches get stitches”, (attacked) or you do your time in protective custody. Hmmmm, give the name of someone I don’t know personally or potentially do some hard time… I don’t prefer either option your Honor, are there any more?

cheers

[quote]rainjack wrote:
http://www.anthony-roberts.com/blog/

Most people here know how I feel about hooker. But - in the wake of Raw Deal, he has been much more the voice of reason and commom sense than 99% of the panic-stricken conspiracy theorists posting on the boards right now.

His latest entry kind of shines the light on the REAL reason for O.R.D. - greed. I have no way to back this up - but I have been telling everyone that would listen for the last 2 - 3 weeks that this was all about greed. Specifically Big Pharma greed.

Hooker has it right, IMO. [/quote]

I am not a steroid vet but I think he is barking up the wrong tree. If the pharma industry had that kind of pull we would be seeing TV commercials for steroids during football games and reruns of The Office.

Steroids have been demonized so much that no one wants to take a stand as being for them and the number of users is so low that this stuff does not impact most peoples lives.

Law enforcement will be happy to enforce any law where they can get good press. Good press means promotions for individuals and funding for agencies.

I don’t know about y’all, but if this Raw Deal shit keeps up I’m gonna have to save up $30,000 for some butt and pec implants.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
rainjack wrote:
http://www.anthony-roberts.com/blog/

Most people here know how I feel about hooker. But - in the wake of Raw Deal, he has been much more the voice of reason and commom sense than 99% of the panic-stricken conspiracy theorists posting on the boards right now.

His latest entry kind of shines the light on the REAL reason for O.R.D. - greed. I have no way to back this up - but I have been telling everyone that would listen for the last 2 - 3 weeks that this was all about greed. Specifically Big Pharma greed.

Hooker has it right, IMO.

I am not a steroid vet but I think he is barking up the wrong tree. If the pharma industry had that kind of pull we would be seeing TV commercials for steroids during football games and reruns of The Office.

Steroids have been demonized so much that no one wants to take a stand as being for them and the number of users is so low that this stuff does not impact most peoples lives.

Law enforcement will be happy to enforce any law where they can get good press. Good press means promotions for individuals and funding for agencies.[/quote]

Big Pharma is looking ahead and using their influence to start laying the groundwork for future AAS profits. It’s just smart business on their part, as underground AAS use has clearly been growing at a considerable rate. If there is a sizable enough market for them to tap, they will continue to use their influence to that end.

GH is the perfect example. We can all remember when it was touted as a dangerous underground drug, now it is the “fountain of youth” drug promoted by “life extension” docs. It’s the same thing with different window dressing. Sure, the public will always scowl at “anabolic steroid use”, but “hormone replacement therapy” has a nice ring to it.

Not to mention BP knows that almost any steroid user would pay double or triple (if not more) underground rates to be able to stroll down to the pharmacy and pick up high quality gear with no worries about scammers, western union payments, seizure letters, controlled deliveries, bunk gear, dirty gear etc.

Then there are all those guys who want to use AAS but don’t have the stones or the connections to go the black market route. You bet they’d jump on the bandwagon if they could do it legally. Basically you have Big Pharma with it’s eyes on a potentially huge market, with UGL’s and Chinese GH powder mere hurdles for them to dance over on their way to pay dirt.

lack of patent protection equals zero profits long term. also with test costing a few bucks to make for a weeks worth, i doubt any of the big pharma companies would give a rats ass as they usually sell pills that cost that much or more and are taken multiple times a day by a market orders of magnitude larger.

you do the math, but if you think big pharma is behind this for profit, i can tell you right now you will never be a CFO (if you happen to be, please let us know so i can short the shit out of your company).

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
I am not a steroid vet but I think he is barking up the wrong tree. If the pharma industry had that kind of pull we would be seeing TV commercials for steroids during football games and reruns of The Office.[/quote]

Let’s avoid extremes, Zap. Obviously the black market will always exist but if they could tap into even 20% of it by getting those users to procure GH through their own physicians, it’s a no-brainer. As AR mentions, this is prob much more about GH than AAS in the present, but who can speak for the prevailing attitudes in twenty years.

[quote]InTheZone wrote:
JohnnyBlaze wrote:
I don’t know about y’all, but if this Raw Deal shit keeps up I’m gonna have to save up $30,000 for some butt and pec implants.

       LMAO!! Frickin Johnny!!

                where ya been mate?

             good to see you out n about.
                  ToneBone[/quote]

What up TBN, I’ve been offline for a while and MIA but now Johnny’s back! Just heard about this Raw Deal shit and it’s ridiculous.

If it keeps up, Testosterone Nation is gonna turn into Implant Nation…LOL

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
rainjack wrote:
http://www.anthony-roberts.com/blog/

Most people here know how I feel about hooker. But - in the wake of Raw Deal, he has been much more the voice of reason and commom sense than 99% of the panic-stricken conspiracy theorists posting on the boards right now.

His latest entry kind of shines the light on the REAL reason for O.R.D. - greed. I have no way to back this up - but I have been telling everyone that would listen for the last 2 - 3 weeks that this was all about greed. Specifically Big Pharma greed.

Hooker has it right, IMO.

I am not a steroid vet but I think he is barking up the wrong tree. If the pharma industry had that kind of pull we would be seeing TV commercials for steroids during football games and reruns of The Office.

Steroids have been demonized so much that no one wants to take a stand as being for them and the number of users is so low that this stuff does not impact most peoples lives.

Law enforcement will be happy to enforce any law where they can get good press. Good press means promotions for individuals and funding for agencies.[/quote]

I don’t disagree with LE being more than happy to make the cool photo-op bust, which is why I doubt you will see much effort to go after someone holding a cycle or two of injectable AAS. There’s not enough juice to take a cool picture.

But what I think you are overlooking is the power of the people in the HRT movement. Pharma smelled the money they were not making with hgh, and had the FDA loosen the prescription guidelines from having to prove a childhood deficiency to just proving you have a current deficiency. That may not sound like much - but it opens the door for hundreds of thousands of men to be able to look and feel much better than they do now. I don’t think AAS will be long after that.

The folks that will benefit the most from intelligent AAS supplementation are the ones with the deepest pockets: the 35-60 market.

Like I said, greed is not a bad thing.

As for TV commercials, that is a bit of a stretch. Hell, they stil prescribe lithium for bi-polar disorder, but you will never see a commercial for that during a Cowboy game.

You’re right about a commercial for lithium never happening, but have you seen the new ads for Zyprexa? ( new bi-polar drug)

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-just found this on an anti-aging website… just wondering… steroids (or identified as codeword “Testosterone” on this particular website) are bad, how? seems to me like our workforce would be more efficient and we would have less lazy asses feeding off the system because they wouldnt feel “a loss in physical stamina or an increased fatigue”. also we would have a lot less people hating life since lack of testosterone is a reported cause of depression. not too mention that moron at the register in your local grocery store that always seems to have a “loss in memory” when you get ready to pay. those idiots cant seem to ever figure out what coins to give back when your change is $2.83… maybe steroids are the answer to everything! ok! maybe a little overboard, but admittedly, there are more benefits than have been credited. who knows steroids may cure cancers.

lol. Nice job on the resurrection.

No, you’re pretty much right. They have a host of benefits when used intelligently, and very few real serious downsides.

And steroids HAVE been investigated for use in the clinical field with various diseases.

But politicians are politicians, and besides that, there’s the worry that many people are idiots and can’t figure out how to turn their computers on, let alone how to intelligently use steroids.

I wish they were legal as well, but people are dumb panicky animals.


Dont you think it might have been better to start a new thread with this great info rather than bumping this one?..

In my area we fucking have problem with meth. Crackheads literally are running amuck and stealing shit, hurting people, burning shit down and no one fucking crack head or crack dealer comes down.

hell as soon as some one has a vial of test he has the fucking county sheriffs at their door. True fucking story fellers. I fucking hate the spotlight being placed on gear. Why not crack down harder on drugs that actually hurt people immediately and create other social hazards? Fuck!! end of rant

yea, it may have been better to start a new thread, but it was early in the morning and i had just got off work. without my steroids i didnt have the mental clarity to think of that, and i was too fatigued to start a new thread. lol… that was merely a joke. but i apologize for inconveniencing you blacksnake.