'Raw Deal' Busts Labs Across U.S.

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[quote]SwD wrote:
As for these busts, yessss, it’s URGENT that the US goverment uses its manpower and ressources to bust them evil cheating athletes!!! Forget about meth, child porn, murders and such non sense.

Roid users are going beserk! Roids made Chris Benoit kill his family!! Arrrrghhhh!!! God help us all if them roiders are on the loose!! Imagine Ronnie Coleman mugging you to get his roid fix!!

Utterly ridiculous. Oh but I cant write no more. I’m going for a liposuction and some calves implants. Later.

[/quote]You’re right. While this whole operation was taking place there were no agents left to deal with the other illegal drugs found throughout the USA.

By the way, steroids are ILLEGAL in the US. Like others have said, if you disagree with that then call your representatives, get information out there to the public, etc. I seriously doubt posting crap like “Bush sucks!” on this forum is going to help your cause.

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The sad part about this is that despite any amount of pressure from the public on lawmakers, nothing will change.

90% of the US population could write their congressmen tomorrow demanding legislation legalizing steroids, and they still wouldn’t take any action.

Steroids offer a plethora of health benefits that is cheap and easy to home brew… This would cause a myriad of problems for rx companies making ridiculous amounts money off the prescription frenzy.

So long as you’re a company with money to spare in DC, you can create a new drug, run a quick trial, then directly advertise to all of America in TV ads. Nevermind there’s little to no research on long term use on new fad prescrips, not necessary, the only important thing is the all mighty dollar.

What a fucking joke.

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Anyone read State Of Fear by Michael Crichton?

It talks about the Media and government in the USA(and other countries) finding targets to criticize and demonize for the sake of padding their pockets. First it was communism during the cold war(I’m not saying communism is right), then terrorism, and global warming.

I’m thinking there is similar motivation in the demonization of steroid use. It makes the general populace think that their government is actually doing something rather than sitting on its ass as well as give the media something to blab about.

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I’ve never used (lol, sounds like a druggie) but I want to eventually and this whole thing is the most illogical thing.
Well said blacksnake. It is such a corruption of the truth that it makes even the least bit intelligent person want to puke. I’m not so sure this is a Bush thing though considering congress is the one legislating. But whatever.

I am seriously wanting to write my representatives if I can figure out how. I’ve never done it before.

Random example of the how much stupidity is surrounding this issue and really also mankind is this statistic cited on a government page. I can see they’ve got their experts on it. hah.

" In the 2002 survey, the youth were ask how easy it was for school aged children to obtain steroids. 22% of eighth graders, 33.2% of tenth graders, and 46.1% of twelfth graders reported that steroids were “fairly easy” or “very easy” to obtain.

I would have said that too until I ACTUALLY tried to obtain some! I wish I could go back to being a kid when I trusted adults to be smart and NOT IDIOTS, especially congressional members. Maybe that’s part of the reason writing them seems pointless. But there’s always hope!

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I think its pretty ignorant to blame any administration or political party for the responsibility of the changing times. There is one fact that your not paying attention to, a politician is a fucking politician. Do you really think this would have gone alot differently if kerry or al gore was the president.

Do you really think there is any serious presidential candidate who carries the voters agenda closer to their hearts than their own, no fucking way. The media and law enforcement cried about steroids, made them the antichrist, so this type of shit happened. It was a hot subject and an even easier agenda to get pushed through law so it happened.

The majority of people are ignorant to steroids, among other things, so there was no doubt that the ensuing bans and laws woud happen. I really dont give a fuck who the president is because the degree of difference in agendas is really so miniscule its not gonna matter.

Theres such a long line of people I would trust over that of any word out of a politicians mouth its ridiculous. Ignorance is the problem, its just alot easier to change the head of state than peoples mind sets, but im completely sure all of our problems will disapear in 08 right.

I dunno, the fact is as much as the DEA would like to make everyone think they are winning this ‘war’, as long as there is a demand, there will be supply. Cocaine and every other illegal drug hasn’t stopped, gang viloence hasnt stopped and terrorism hasnt stopped. Law enforcement obviously has a policy of expansion and not absolution.

Plus a middle aged guy brewing steroids in his suburban house doesnt pull a gun on you like a meth head or coke dealer. Oh yeah one more thing, shut up canadiens.

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Oh yeah, and if there are any DEA agents on this board, as cited in the article, KISS MY ASS. I’ve got a fat box full of Test, Dbol, abombs and winstrol, im gonna take them all at once, turn huge and green and go rambo on your asses.
But seriously, you didnt get my sources, so you suck.

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“Do you really think there is any serious presidential candidate who carries the voters agenda closer to their hearts than their own, no fucking way. The media and law enforcement cried about steroids, made them the antichrist, so this type of shit happened. It was a hot subject and an even easier agenda to get pushed through law so it happened.” -Dean12345

This seems very true.

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It appears SSB is up again, if only temporarily.

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[quote]Schwarzenegger wrote:
This also makes you wonder how many people on this board, or others, are agents. Most people assume newbies (like the original poster) are DEA agents or whatever, but in reality the majority of their online posting would be more complex than the original post.[/quote]

sorry to burst your bubble chief but im not a newbie. i understand the concern and thats why i started this thread. is a serious topic. and i needed to vent, as i felt many others needed to.

also, i wanted people such as bushido and rainjack and others ive run into on this site to open up and give their thoughts to everyone on here as to how we can ban together. writing to our congressmen is great. but where are the advocates standing on the corner with signs? where are the masses knocking down the doors at the congress buildings? illegal mexicans have no problem starting their own version of the “million man march” and they dont fear for their lives.

illegals parading around saying they want freedom, and they give two shits about being deported. yet we cant ban together and tell congress our demands? homosexuals gather around downtown with signs and voice their feelings (which i STRONGLY disagree with) and they beat down the doors of congress. they have no real argument other than they want nothing more than to have immorality legalized…

and the sad thing is they are GETTING what they WANT!! and yet we cant find some way to gather together to legalize something has strong medical uses, great aesthetic properties, and has relatively no harming side effects. ill admit my ignorance with this…

i dont know where to begin with collecting enthusiasts together to start a petition, or a group/coalition for a change in steroid legalities. if i were a bit more political, i may have more resources… if anyone has any ideas to help, i would be willing to start something. any medical articles to support “our” case, any professional ideas or concerns, anything really that i may be able to compile and create a “pro-steroid” folder. pm me…

and just to put shwarz at ease… i dont care to know anyones name, where you live, whether you use or not. im not asking hey do you take shit or sell shit? no… i dont care about that. all i want is solid evidence for a pro-steroid stance. if we want things done we need to start somewhere. if a seperate thread for useful pro-steroid comments and evidence, medical research, etc. is helpful, please start one or pm me with ideas as to how to start one and ill do it myself.

if a terrorist iranian president can convince the government that should be allowed to come into this country and escorted by security, then we can convince government to stop the lewd and ridiculous actions they are taking on folks whom are doin nothing more than trying to make themselves look better and possibly healthier… since when did arrogance and self-indulgence become a crime?

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It’s been said before. But I am seriously starting to wonder how secure this forum is.

I mean we talk about a lot of shit here that could get us in a decent amount of trouble. Not to mention the fact that all of our accounts are linked to some sort of legitimate email.

I wonder, is there any way the feds could get ahold of our email accounts and actually figure out who we are?

Maybe I am just being paranoid, but in this crazy ass country, I wonder if not being somewhat paranoid is smart…

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[quote]Cortes wrote:
It appears SSB is up again, if only temporarily.

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No, it never went down. The reason for it being TOAST is that the board owner was indicted by the feds.

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while i do feel bad about the busts, come on you know it’s illegal,so you have to play the game by their rules,ssb was wide open about,and not shy,about aas use and where to get it.are they(feds)gonna stop it? no someone else will pop up.will the other boards(that promote)go down,only time will tell.if we policed ourselfs more,by canning people that let slip sources,maybe it’s time the owners of all these boards got together,and had a meeting,to discuss the problem, we are the ones giving the feds the info.in closing i have no dought there are feds on this board

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Well its not just Republicans. Democrats would outlaw just about everything if given a chance. There are companies drug testing employees for Nicotine now days and they can be fired if they come up positive to many times. In California the Dems are looking to make mandatory spaying/neutering your pets and propose going door to door to enforce that law. These things will not stop until the government and media are afraid of the public. Once they are afraid of us we can demand that steroids be legalized along with other things like Cannabis. But first THEY must fear us. So how do we make that happen?

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“how do we make that happen?” good question… how DO we make law enforcement and the media fear us? how do we boycott law enforcement? how do we boycott media? unfortunately, the population of this country has become undeniably passive. we are a country without a backbone… in any event, i looked at the “SSB toast” thread and i saw the indictments. the 1st was interesting in the fact that it is not illegal to import raw materials used to make anabolic steriods into the states, provided you file for a permit from the DEA. claiming research, this permit would seemingly be simple to obtain. if we could get a doctor or two from this site to host a study on the effects of anabolic steroids, we would have scientific evidence and a medical evaluation (2 precursors to removal of a drug or other substance from scheduling)… if anyone is truly interested, i have researched (when i should be sleeping) the DEA website. i was trying to find the “permits” needed to import raw materials, but stumbled upon something better… “Proceedings for the issuance, amendment, or repeal of such rules may be initiated by the Attorney General (1) on his own motion, (2) at the request of the Secretary, or (3) on the petition of any interested party.” make note to the 3rd… i would assume we are an “interested party”… this is only a small exerpt from dea, title 21, section 811. i would assume i am allowed to post the link to the whole title. this, assumably, would be the beginning to the answers and thoughts we have all shared. it may serve as the base of a formidable challenge upon a bullshit law.

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/csa/811.htm#c

if anyone is truly interested in saving ourselves, and the folks who have been and will be charged with ridiculous crimes, lets start now. read the linked document and lets see if we can come up with a legitimate plan to attack the laws. i would imagine the way to strike fear in the media is to be well informed and pass on the information. and as for striking fear in law enforcement, being knowledgeable of the law is pretty frightening. its hard to bully someone with laws when that someone knows the laws better than you. law enforcement is very ignorant the the exact laws. if we can clarify and understand the laws better, we can win. well… lets start brainstorming.

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[quote]Diana Bolann wrote:
Cortes wrote:
It appears SSB is up again, if only temporarily.

No, it never went down. The reason for it being TOAST is that the board owner was indicted by the feds. [/quote]

Understood. I had been trying to access it at that time and the server appeared to be down for about 12 hours. I thought it was related.

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damn, conceit you just might be on to something

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[quote]Diana Bolann wrote:
Cortes wrote:
It appears SSB is up again, if only temporarily.

No, it never went down. The reason for it being TOAST is that the board owner was indicted by the feds. [/quote]

It would be really smart not to log on to any of those boards.

Kind of like when someone gets busted and the cops take their cell phone, then document every incomming call, those sites have become information collection points.

STAY OFF OF THOSE SITES.

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Regardless of what you think of the man, Rick Collins IS a lawyer in the US, and his website has useful legal information:

If you want to be an active member in the fight to protect our “individual freedom” go here:

http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/dll/links.htm

plenty of links

pick your organization of choice and get busy

A little knowledge is a powerful first step to reform US drug laws. Don’t get mad. Get even.

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What were the labs and forums that got busted?

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Lest we not forget the “disclaimer” on this site, you know, the one that states in effect “all of our IP addresses are logged, and if the Feds want them we will only be notified by the Feds” (after it’s too late) My suggestion is for considering a proxy, and a new “handle” on this and any other site that deals with the same subject matter. just my .02