The Yates row was used to build back thickness…it uses a different angle to involve the upper back more and the lats less.
[quote]bmitch wrote:
you never see people doing deadlifts???[/quote]
No, but VERY rarely I do see someone who’s trying to work their lower back in a weird Deadliftish manner. But a real DEAD Lift, no. It’s possible some might do it, but I doubt it.
Although I see plenty of safe lifting with a lower back so rounded I want to crawl on the walls. But hey, they’re wearing a belt, it’s SAFE!
[quote]TKL wrote:
Alex’s list seems pretty accurate. Funny thing is the bigger lads at the gym I go to are the ones who do said exercises on that list with good form and they do use a lot of weight.[/quote]
I once talked to a big guy. He told me to Squat, Pull, Press etc. He was the only one I knew squatted etc. The rest, accurate indeed.
if you have never seen people do snatch grip deadlifts or olympic lift in your gym, i’d say go find a new gym.
OHS, oly lifting, ATG squats etc almost all people in my gym do this, however it is full of olympic athletes, and elderly mid life crisis folk like me
If those lifts were easy, you’d see everybody doing them. The reason you don’t see many people doing them is because they are HARD.
Q. What’s an easy exercise for your _____?
A. Sit on a Swiss ball.
Q. What’s that do?
A. It don’t do fuck all but it’s easy. Now do you want good or do you want easy?
TNT
One that I found that really works well is the standing one arm press. It really builds stability in the shoulder, much like the TGU. It’s also much harder than the regular press. I love it. I’m working on it for a while and then I’m going to switch back to the barbell press and see how it works out with the added stability and new strength.
[quote]Doug Adams wrote:
I’ve never seen anyone perform hack squats, bent presses, and turkish get-ups either.[/quote]
Might as well ask this here… is the bent press a good mass builder?
I already do hack squats every week and have a bushy handlebar mustache so the bent press would fit in nicely.
You never see them, because for most people “isolation” is the mantra. You’re right that most trainers dont know how to teach the deadlift,etc, but that’s not the only problem…they think isolation exercises are the shiz.
One bodybuilding type here at my work can’t understand why I do full body workouts and such “arcane” lifts as deadlifts, clean and jerk, snatch, barbell rows, chin-ups, etc.
Someone mentioned rope-climbing. I have a rope attached to a tree in my backyard. It’s a good exercise…but you see, the fashion-concious gym goer only uses machine and occasionally a barbell or dumbell. Anything else is, well, demode’. In any case, I CAN understand why a gym-owner would not put up a rope. Some idiot would get to the top of the thing, start looking for a mirror and fall flat on his face. Hello, 1-800-ATTORNEY.
More and more I can’t stand being in these type of gyms and am working out at home. The only thing good about those gyms is checking out the occasional hot chick.
[quote]Fitnessdiva wrote:
One that I found that really works well is the standing one arm press. It really builds stability in the shoulder, much like the TGU. It’s also much harder than the regular press. I love it. I’m working on it for a while and then I’m going to switch back to the barbell press and see how it works out with the added stability and new strength.[/quote]
Shoulder stability… sounds like something you’d want to have.
What’s a TGU ?
With the One Arm Press the difference in control/stability between the left and right arms becomes very obvious, at least in my case. I assume this will get better in time though.
[quote]Doug Adams wrote:
undeadlift wrote:
I wonder why I rarely see people do these exercises:
-Olympic lifts w/ chains/bands
Have these even been performed by anyone?
[/quote]
Good question. Anyone?
I would imagine that it could easily interfere with the development of what are highly technical lifts.
The squat, bench press, and deadlift, is truly “lifted” from both start to finish. In the olympic lifts, once the second pull is hit and the bar makes contact with the thigh, everything is put into that explosion and it is with the acceleration caused by that force that the bar ends up in it’s proper position.
The olympic lifts are either done with a certain amount of explosiveness or they are not completed at all. You can grind out a squat, you can’t grind out a power clean. So I think that you would be doing yourself a disservice by making a naturally explosive lift more of a slower lift.
Just my thoughts.
-Matt
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Doug Adams wrote:
undeadlift wrote:
I wonder why I rarely see people do these exercises:
-Olympic lifts w/ chains/bands
Have these even been performed by anyone?
Good question. Anyone?[/quote]
I think that most of the stuff on this list is avoided because either a) nobody has ever heard of it or b) people are paranoid about hurting themselves. Most gyms I’ve been too actually discourage members from doing lower-back work, because it’s “so dangerous.”
I do see people doing Romanian Deadlifts pretty often. Not so much with the standard deadlift, and most of the guys I see doing deadlifts aren’t using much weight because of knee problems myself included 
[quote]supabeast wrote:
I think that most of the stuff on this list is avoided because either a) nobody has ever heard of it or b) people are paranoid about hurting themselves. Most gyms I�??ve been too actually discourage members from doing lower-back work, because it’s “so dangerous.”
I do see people doing Romanian Deadlifts pretty often. Not so much with the standard deadlift, and most of the guys I see doing deadlifts aren�??t using much weight because of knee problems�??myself included :([/quote]
People are afraid of getting hurt, and for a reason. Most people don’t know how to use their body(arch, breath, knees etc). They often lift with a rounded back and they’re better off not lifting at all.
Ironically, I live in Romania and I’ve never seen anyone do RDLs.
[quote]bmitch wrote:
Alex_HW wrote:
How about:
-Deadlift
-Back/Front/Overhead Squat
-Dumbbell/Barbell Lunges
-Dumbbell/Barbell Standing Overhead Press
-Push Press
-Olympic Lifts
-Good Morning
-Romanian Deadlift
-Dumbbell Swing
-Barbell/Dumbbell Hold
-Farmer’s Walk…
I NEVER see anyone perform these.
you never see people doing deadlifts???[/quote]
Interestingly enough, I rarely ever see anyone doing deadlifts at the gym, but I see people doing romanian deadlifts from time to time. I’ve noticed that most people think of romanian deadlift when they hear ‘deadlift’.
[quote]Matt McGorry wrote:
I would imagine that it could easily interfere with the development of what are highly technical lifts.
The squat, bench press, and deadlift, is truly “lifted” from both start to finish. In the olympic lifts, once the second pull is hit and the bar makes contact with the thigh, everything is put into that explosion and it is with the acceleration caused by that force that the bar ends up in it’s proper position.
The olympic lifts are either done with a certain amount of explosiveness or they are not completed at all. You can grind out a squat, you can’t grind out a power clean. So I think that you would be doing yourself a disservice by making a naturally explosive lift more of a slower lift.
Just my thoughts.
[/quote]
I’ve seen some people grind out cleans, but it isn’t pretty, and I can’t help but think they are incredibly luck to not seriously injure themselves. But, I suppose if it isn’t anywhere near your 1RM, you have a little bit of leeway with a couple of ugly reps here and there.
That being said, I agree with you.
Travis Mash doing some Olympic work at about 1:00 in, but the things before that are good as well so don’t skip.
[quote]scottiscool wrote:
Travis Mash doing some Olympic work at about 1:00 in, but the things before that are good as well so don’t skip.[/quote]
Damn! I have never seen that before. Thanks for putting that up.
[quote]SeanT wrote:
FlavaDave wrote:
I just did a search on T-Nation and couldn’t find an example of a “muscle-up.” What is that?
Its like a pull-up + dip in one exercise:
http://www.beastskills.com/MuscleUp.htm
didn’t know what it was either.
wikipedia had a good image.[/quote]
wow! I’m going to have to figure out how to do that in my gym!
[quote]texasguy1 wrote:
SeanT wrote:
FlavaDave wrote:
I just did a search on T-Nation and couldn’t find an example of a “muscle-up.” What is that?
Its like a pull-up + dip in one exercise:
http://www.beastskills.com/MuscleUp.htm
didn’t know what it was either.
wikipedia had a good image.
wow! I’m going to have to figure out how to do that in my gym![/quote]
Does anyone know why that chap in the youtube video decides to fall on the front of his body at the end of his gymnastic routine? I found that really strange, not to mention he could have really hurt himself…how odd.
[quote]Matt McGorry wrote:
I would imagine that it could easily interfere with the development of what are highly technical lifts.
The squat, bench press, and deadlift, is truly “lifted” from both start to finish. In the olympic lifts, once the second pull is hit and the bar makes contact with the thigh, everything is put into that explosion and it is with the acceleration caused by that force that the bar ends up in it’s proper position.
The olympic lifts are either done with a certain amount of explosiveness or they are not completed at all. You can grind out a squat, you can’t grind out a power clean. So I think that you would be doing yourself a disservice by making a naturally explosive lift more of a slower lift.
Just my thoughts.
-Matt
Zap Branigan wrote:
Doug Adams wrote:
undeadlift wrote:
I wonder why I rarely see people do these exercises:
-Olympic lifts w/ chains/bands
Have these even been performed by anyone?
Good question. Anyone?
[/quote]
Yeah I should’ve never have mentioned the bands part, but the olympic lifts themselves… I’m the only one who does them in my gym.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
scottiscool wrote:
Travis Mash doing some Olympic work at about 1:00 in, but the things before that are good as well so don’t skip.
Damn! I have never seen that before. Thanks for putting that up.[/quote]
I asked CT about that recently, and he said it’s pretty stupid. I shouldn’t have posted the chains/bands part. Haha…
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Chains and bands are great for the powerlifts; these movements have an almost linear strength curve in that the '‘higher’'you go (closer to the end of the range of motion) the stronger you are. In that regard the added resistance at the top from the chains and bands are an advantage when it comes to building strength.
For the olympic lifts it isn’t exactly the same motor pattern: the point of maximal force production is not the the end of the lifting range of motion but rather around the middle, where the explosion occurs (normally this occurs when the bar reaches mid-thigh or hips level). At that point there is a powerful and explosive pull that important a lot of acceleration to the bar in such a way that the last portion of the range of motion has the bar traveling under the power of momentum; voluntary muscular force isn’t maximal at that point.
So it really doesn’t make sense to add a source of accomodating resistance that would add up mostly when the bar is traveling under the power of momentum. In fact it would be counterproductive to proper technique and would throw your timing WAY off when performing the ‘‘regular’’ lifts.
What I found is that training the olympic lifts with such apparatus is first of all very dangerous (try to do a snatch with chains or bands, technically it’s almost impossible as the bar rotation is limited) and even if it worked fine it would lead to the development of an ‘‘arm pulling’’ technique: the lifter would learn to rely on pulling with his arms instead of a powerful hip, knee and ankle extension. Why? Because since the chains/bands would add resistance at the end of the range of motion (where the bar normally travels mostly due to momentum) the bar would slow down at that point and the arms would have to come into play A LOT to try and prevent that deceleration. Do this over a relatively long period of time and you will learn to rely mostly on your upper body to clean or snatch the bar, which obviously take away most of the benefits of the movements.
Same thing goes with snatch and clean pulls: you will build a tendency to rely on your arms more. [/quote]