Wu-Tang Forever (CD1 & CD2) has been playing on my deck for like the longest time. Actually come to think of it, I’ve had their whole discography playing for the past couple months, haha.
Also, theres a difference between real hip-hop and and r&b (basically some poser taking a loop the whole song), not to mention a lot of the popular guys right now have their producers biting stuff from lesser known groups.
[quote]brucevangeorge wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Blood is Metal wrote:
Mental note: As a white person, never mention Rap Music on a public forum. I am white and therefore cannot have an opinion and / or am a racist.
Imagine I started a thread saying, “Modern powerlifting is crap.” I rant on and on about how bad modern powerlifting is.
Then during the discussion you come to learn that I don’t know what a monolift is. People might get a little suspicious about my motivations for starting the thread, right? Maybe I hate powerliftings because my wife left me for one. Who knows. What you do know if I know shit about modern powerlifting.
After all, anyone discussing modern powerlifting would know what a monolift was. Period.
The OP could not name 5 modern rappers (other than the ones who get radio play). He does not know the genre. Thus, it’s obvious he had ulterior motives for starting this thread.
Maybe it’s because he’s racist. (In light of his others posts, I think it is.) In any event, he’s clearly clueless about rap, and has no business discussing the genre.
Why then did he start this thread?
The OP is venting about the other thread. (Kramer).
You are right. THIS specific poster has no right to talk trash about this. As he only listens teoRap on the radio (if any).
And we all knew that pretty much anything on the radio is complete shit. Thus rendering his argument completely useless.[/quote]
So, then why would so many of you act like it is wrong to call him out on that? You must be new here if you think the other poster I responded to is new. Yet you think I just jumped to conclusions? It sounds like you did.
[quote]Blood is Metal wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Imagine I started a thread saying, “Modern powerlifting is crap.” I rant on and on about how bad modern powerlifting is.
Then during the discussion you come to learn that I don’t know what a monolift is. People might get a little suspicious about my motivations for starting the thread, right? Maybe I hate powerliftings because my wife left me for one. Who knows. What you do know if I know shit about modern powerlifting.
After all, anyone discussing modern powerlifting would know what a monolift was. Period.
The OP could not name 5 modern rappers (other than the ones who get radio play). He does not know the genre. Thus, it’s obvious he had ulterior motives for starting this thread.
Maybe it’s because he’s racist. (In light of his others posts, I think it is.) In any event, he’s clearly clueless about rap, and has no business discussing the genre.
Why then did he start this thread?
Whatever the reason, no matter for my immediate purposes. I have no affiliation to the OP, nor was I involved in these discussions up to this point (other than as an observer). Either way, the racist card is being played a lot lately. A lot period. Just tired of it.
Probably shouldn’t have even chimed in on this, I’m sure. Just an observation.[/quote]
Wait, so the point Californialaw made is irrelevant? If the point is valid, then you would understand why a “race card” was played…because it was warranted. So, what was your point here if C’s point was valid? Do you even have one?
I am not exactly a rap fan but i have collected a fair collection of stuff i do like.
I dont think so much that rap has gone down hill. More that since they started making considerable money the studios and business side has made every attempt to expand the market, seize niche’s, etc. Even to the point of just grabbing whatever rapper they could get.
So now you get flooded with alot of choice, which makes it less unique. Which was the original attraction for ALOT of people.
[quote]Beatnik wrote:
I am not exactly a rap fan but i have collected a fair collection of stuff i do like.
I dont think so much that rap has gone down hill. More that since they started making considerable money the studios and business side has made every attempt to expand the market, seize niche’s, etc. Even to the point of just grabbing whatever rapper they could get.
So now you get flooded with alot of choice, which makes it less unique. Which was the original attraction for ALOT of people. [/quote]
Well said. I like Eminem. However, how many wannabe Eminem’s came out right after record companies realized his music was selling platinum records? Hip Hop has carved out a major money making section of the music industry that few people can ignore. There are artists who 20 years ago would only be known to a select group of inner city kids who are now known all across the world in countries that don’t even speak English.
I actually like where a lot of music (that includes R&B, new soul, whatever some of the metal music is called now using some Hip Hop sound as far as beats, rock and Rap) is headed. If you pick the right ones, it would be very difficult to say the genre is going downhill at all. If anything, it is taking over other genres of music and making it clear that (unlike often stated 30 years ago), rap isn’t going anywhere.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Wait, so the point Californialaw made is irrelevant? If the point is valid, then you would understand why a “race card” was played…because it was warranted. So, what was your point here if C’s point was valid? Do you even have one?[/quote]
Did I mention anyone or any post in particular? Did I say I agreed or disagreed with anyone? I’m not claiming affiliation to anything said by anyone else. I am not taking sides, saying anyone is right or wrong, or anything like that. Guess it could be warranted, but that wasn’t my point. It’s that is it coming up a lot on this site and one way or another seems to be causing an extremely hostile environment.
As I said, I probably shouldn’t have said anything. I was contemplating on commenting in support of hip hop in general originally (old, new, whatever), but as I read the ugliness in the thread, my points would either be misconstrued by one side or the other or dismissed as uneducated (maybe because I am white, maybe because it’s no secret I am notably into metal, whatever) so I figured what the hell.
I don’t have an argument, an apology, or an agenda. I suppose I could have been more productive, but I guess it wasn’t in me tonight.
Guess I’ll just say what I should have to start with and get off my social soap box.
IMO, pretty much all music (rock, rap, metal, whatever) is less interesting / appealing now. I have a couple theories.
Also could be fans used drugs more which just made the music seem better…
It’s no secret I’m into metal. But before all you hip-hop heads start thinking I have no right talking about rap, I have my share of favorites. Most notably:
Red Man
ATCQ
Method Man
Wu Tang
Roots
Digable Planets
Ice Cube
NWA
EPMD
Eric Sermon
Def Squad (in general)
Pharcyde
And a lot of those guys are still going strong. I like a lot of the newer stuff too, but none have as much impact as the ones I mentioned above, IMO.
Anyway, I can see where people think rap has fallen off. But in that regard, pretty much all music has. I think it depends on how you decide to look at it for the most part.
[quote]ska7e wrote:
Enough of the drama bullshit. Keep posting the beats.
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[quote]malonetd wrote:
Roy wrote:
I judge music by how I find out about it. If Carson Daily, or anyone from VH1(sorry I don’t know the names), or any of the three judges from American Idol, EVER speak the name of a group/artist… I don’t fucking listen to them.
That’s freakin’ retarded. How about you learn to make you’re own decisions about what you like.
Just because something is popular doesn’t always mean it is poor quality. You’re probably the kind of person that likes certain music groups, or products, when they are new and/or unknown and once they become popular or trendy you dislike them. You’re worse than the sheep that like everything that’s popular, because you dislike everything popular for no other reason than it’s popular. You’re still a sheep.[/quote]
I was humoring X, and being semi-serious.
[quote]Roy wrote:
malonetd wrote:
Roy wrote:
I judge music by how I find out about it. If Carson Daily, or anyone from VH1(sorry I don’t know the names), or any of the three judges from American Idol, EVER speak the name of a group/artist… I don’t fucking listen to them.
That’s freakin’ retarded. How about you learn to make you’re own decisions about what you like.
Just because something is popular doesn’t always mean it is poor quality. You’re probably the kind of person that likes certain music groups, or products, when they are new and/or unknown and once they become popular or trendy you dislike them.
You’re worse than the sheep that like everything that’s popular, because you dislike everything popular for no other reason than it’s popular. You’re still a sheep.
I was humoring X, and being semi-serious. [/quote]
Apparently I misunderstood. Another example of sarcasm lost over the internet.
[quote]ska7e wrote:
Enough of the drama bullshit. Keep posting the beats.
[/quote]
For the smoother Biggie
For the raw Biggie
Biggie and Tupac
Tupac
Mos Def/Blackstar
An ungodly Mos Def track
The Roots
Erykah Badu
Badu and Jimmy Cliff
Common in one of the best tracks of all time…
Shabba Ranks
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Those who act as if NO rap at all is decent today obviously don’t listen to the genre and are simply repeating what they’ve heard elsewhere.
I agree. The mainstream guys are good, but just get overplayed so quickly. Note that I don’t include Chamillionare in anything related to music.
JayZ is one of the best ever, obviously Nas as you mentioned and there might not be a rapper in history as diverse an Eminem. This doesn’t even mention the underground guys- a lot of people know them, but Cunninlynguists are pretty sick and I’ve never heard them on the radio.
Still though, nothing will ever beat the RZA, the GZA, Old Dirty Bastard, Inspecta Deck, Raekwon the Chef, U-God, Ghostface Killa and…[/quote]
M-E-T-H-O-D MAN puts on the best hip-hop show I’ve ever seen. If you can see him, do it.
Do you know where I can download Hip Hop music videos in good quality.
[quote]PGA wrote:
ska7e wrote:
Enough of the drama bullshit. Keep posting the beats.
For the smoother Biggie
For the raw Biggie
Biggie and Tupac
Tupac
Mos Def/Blackstar
An ungodly Mos Def track
The Roots
Erykah Badu
Badu and Jimmy Cliff
Common in one of the best tracks of all time…
Shabba Ranks
Can you dig up Blackmoons " WE GOT THE PROPS"
Sorry if this has been posted on here before:
Craig Mack
You know what’s ironic? When people are asked what kind of music they like, the most common answer I hear is: “Everything except for rap and country”. Yet those two styles are the biggest sellers. Go figure.
[quote]S8 wrote:
Sorry if this has been posted on here before:
Craig Mack
One of the best collabos ever.
Sound Bombing not the 2nd album ,But the origional one . Anyone ever heard it it was underground never sold in the record stores .
[quote]PGA wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Regular chilling music is the classic rock, jazz, blues, and some old school country. Most new country is lite rock dreck that I can’t tolerate.
Well my chillin’ music is smoother hip-hop. Take any of Biggie’s smoother tracks, Juicy, Everyday Struggle and I Got A Story To Tell (I know who that song was written about). Same with Tupac’s Dear Momma, I Ain’t Mad at Ya and Keep Your Head Up. You got some smooth tracks that will relax you and make you think. Biggie and Tupac were great story tellers. They’re really underestimated in that department.
Those two a little hard for you, throw in some Outkast, Mos Def with a side of older Busta and you got a relaxing blend of smooth hip-hop and message that arent as “hard” as Biggie and Tupac.[/quote]
I’ve heard them, but it’s just not for me. I’m a little older, 43, so I just prefer the blues. Hell, everyone stole from them from country, to rap, to hard rock.
And here’s a little tidbit for people. You might not believe me, but early Springsteen is certain songs had rapid imagry often found in rap. Look at blinded by the light, thunder road, or jungleland.
Not saying rap took from it necessarily, just pointing out there’s a lot of common threads in music. And us old guys think some new stuff is just a rehash of something old.
Personally, I think most modern music is crap, no matter what the genre is. It’s seems corporate driven to such a degree, that a new original idea has no chance of escaping.
Some older posters will remember something called AOR, or album oriented rock. Djs would play album favorites of theirs, regardless of whether they were a top 20 hit.
To me this allowed for a greater exposure to music from a fan’s perspective.
And before someone starts about old payola corporate scandals, I do remember them, it’s just that there was a little more independence in music.
Seriously who here over 25 has heard something new the last few years that just blew them away?