I want foot work like this. I am learning and have had success with movement but want more.
[quote]Ranzo wrote:
I want foot work like this. I am learning and have had success with movement but want more.
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I have to give credit to FightinIrish for the following.
We were discussing how sometimes trying to model after the truly exceptional fighters who seem to have so many natural gifts can create problems. Specifically, that when mere mortals try to fight like Mayweather, or Jones, or Ali, or Whitaker bad things happen. He suggested that the best/most technical fighter currently that had a style at least a bit imitable was Juan Manuel Marquez.
Oh, and if you are following Irish’s log than you know my position is fuck JMM.
Because he can throw a lead hand uppercut.
Regards,
Robert A
Robert,
I am not necessarily trying to emulate Ali or other legends so much as I just know that my footwork leaves a lot to be desired. I have been training some of the things that have been posted here in the videos and have implemented a few things with good success. However I really want to go to a Boxing gym for a little while and drill head movement, pivots among other things.
Recently been working Agility drills and I know some people say they don’t work but for me there has been some payoff. Maybe its just the fact that I am focusing on working angles and postitioning more but I have seen much improvement. I come from a mixed background but mostly karate. Looking back I wonder how in the hell did Karate become so popular or was I just ingnorant. Crappy movement poor punching and weak kicks, are all part of my repertoire.
[quote]Ranzo wrote:
Robert,
I am not necessarily trying to emulate Ali or other legends so much as I just know that my footwork leaves a lot to be desired. I have been training some of the things that have been posted here in the videos and have implemented a few things with good success. However I really want to go to a Boxing gym for a little while and drill head movement, pivots among other things.
Recently been working Agility drills and I know some people say they don’t work but for me there has been some payoff. Maybe its just the fact that I am focusing on working angles and postitioning more but I have seen much improvement. I come from a mixed background but mostly karate. Looking back I wonder how in the hell did Karate become so popular or was I just ingnorant. Crappy movement poor punching and weak kicks, are all part of my repertoire. [/quote]
I didn’t think you were at risk for trying for a full Mayweather impression. Just that watching some Marquez film may get a more “accessable” take on the angles/timing of that technical, defensive style. Irish really made that point, almost certainly better than I did.
As for how Karate became popular. Most of what is passed of as Traditional, really isn’t. Furthermore, it is not being presented in the same atmosphere or to a similar group. This creates problems.
Most of what tends to get labeled as hallmarks of TMA, all the bowing and saying “oos” was part of the spool up in Japan for a “modern” Imperial Army. Think of the time frame as starting during the whole “Last Samurai” movie, running through the Russo-Japanese War period, and bringing us into WWII period. So, a lot of the “Traditional” is only as “traditional” as boxing gloves. The goal of the training was on discipline, stoic tolerance of pain/discomfort, and obedience. Not so much on martial applications, because mechanized and crew served weapons were supposed to bring most of the nasty.
Pre-japanese karate was a different ball of wax. We might also note that the emphasis on physical conditioning and striking power at the expense of defense was originally cultivated by a pre-industrial people. So a lot of the footwork and angles available on flat, level, and dry ground may not have had as much utility in the Islands. This doesn’t negate their utility for us now, I am way more likely to be standing on poured concrete when I need “Empty Hands” than a rice paddy or dirt path. Lets also keep in mind that wrestling was a huge part of rural Okinawan male culture. Everyone wrestled, especially as children. Funikoshi’s book mentions how a big part of it was being able to get up when one or more other children are trying to hold the wrestler down. Add an environment where there is no foam rubber padding, training gloves, protective equipment, etc. and the picture gets a bit different.
The utility of a style that emphasizes conditioning and hitting hard when the student already shows up with years of “don’t get taken down, and be impossible to hold down” as a “sunk” cost is a bit different than if I show up tomorrow with zero combat/athletic experience. The former is basically Dan Henderson/Shane Carwin school. The latter is every strip mall dojo.
I offered the above for perspective only. At the end of it I think you should be congratulated on having the honesty to evaluate your skills and what is needed for improvement. Even more so you deserve recognition for spending the time and energy to provide your students with an easier/more direct path to competency and effectiveness than you yourself had to tread. The great teachers spend a lot of time trying to make their students better than they were/are. I take your inclusion of angles/jabbing early in the game as evidence of that.
Regards,
Robert A
Wow. I lived in Japan for 10 years and I have now learned something right here in this forum. I did know that the training was different in the old days but not a whole lot. I also know that the Japanese like to train in stages asking that you master a certain number of movements along the way and you are really not prepared to learn how to fight until you are a black belt. Most Mcdojo places see the black belt as the end goal and not the beginning. I am also aware the some of the original styles were designed around fighting in on and around castles and stability was very important.
I really think that Martial Arts have evolved and in the modern age it is easier to share ideas and learn what works best in each situation.
Thanks for the kind words. I really wish I had the passion for Krav I once had though. I think I would like to go to some instructor training and better my techniques in order to teach more advanced things.
Monday Feb. 25th.
Headed to the gym early as possible to work with the MMA bunch.
Shadow boxing 2 rounds 3 min.
more shadowing but on the bag real light working footwork arond the bag getting the blood flowing. For whatever reason the older I get the longer I like my warmups.
Pullups 1 set of 15 2 sets of 10. Lunges have no idea how many but it started to suck. so switched to some jump rope for 3 minutes.
Back to the heavy bag to work a few combos and lots of kicks. Only had about 35 minutes until I had to teach Krav so that was it for a warmup. Got the students lined up and started working them.
2 hours later I am free to do my own thing. The weather is bad and most people had thinned out only had 4 people for No gi Jitsu LOL. Great for me because I got personal time with a high level purple belt(should be a brown) He is really great a jiu jitsu and has a mind for fighting.
worked on some very cool little tweaks and things to stop an armbar and pass right into sidemount. Practiced a neat little tweak to doing hip escape from cross side mount too. Lastly had a good 15 minute roll. I eventually tapped to an armbar but he said my game has def. improved since we rolled last. I did have im in a guillotine choke and a rear naked at one point but alas my young jedi skills are to weak for the seasoned guy.
All in all not a bad night. I got to pass on some great info in my classes and learned something afteward.
Thursday Feb 28th.
Video of a roll I did with another guy from our fight team.
Monday 3/4/13.
only 3 people showed for Krav Class…haha WTF. Finally got some guys who want to fight and put them in the back and worked basic combos and defenses for them to get a feel of what it is like to actually hit a person instead of foam filled plastic. Let them do their thing for a while and I got so spar all freaking night with the MMA guys.
Awesome fights working lots of things with footwork, pivots etc. Becoming more of a defensive fighter, or maybe just smarter I don’t know but I attack when I want to and tried to work them up in the cage and cause lots of damage. Ended up going to the ground a couple of times and fought it out. We like to have capture the round battles where you battle it out and the loser has another round to take the round back and win if he does win it is a tie and you go a third round to determine the winner. Whoever the winner of the fight is continues on to a new person…etc. Because it is really only two rounds the intensity is high.
Learned a few things about using pivots when a guy can kick you or better when not too LOL Also knocked the shit out of my right foot when I connected with it instead of my shin on dudes knee. God it felt good to actually fight somebody. Great night for me.
Sounds like you had good workout. I enjoyed your rolling vid and your training facility is impressive (googled the name in the background). I have a request: I would like to see a vid on your striking routine, both MMA and Krav, if you ever have the time to do one. Thanks.
Wednesday 3/6/13
Got back on the wieghts again. I miss lifting and if felt good do get at it.
Got some buddies that are lifting right now trying to look good for summer…
Decided to go with them to Planet Fitness instead of my garage. This gym has very limited free weights.
Started 5/3/1 again. Overhead press day. I did all the same weights and reps as before but I did feel a little weak compared to before. Also I did my overhead press sitting instead of standing because I was forced to use a smith machine. I found it harder to lift sitting down, maybe becaue I couldn’t cheat the bar up by bouncing some?
Also did my 5 sets of pullups on the “pullup machine”? has several different ways to grip and has a pad that swings out so you can add weight to make you pullups easier…LOL so maybe it is a “fat ass pullup machine” I don’t know but seemed odd that you can take away resistance but not add. Anyway commercial gyms are kinda gay but it was nice to have guys to workout with.
Idaho,
Glad you liked the video. We were not trying to kill each other just work some positioning etc. I am heading to the Muay Thai class tonight I will take some video and upload here.
Good rolling man, looking forward to seeing the MT videos.
I’ve always been jealous of Chad’s hair.
kickass log man
[quote]Melvin Smiley wrote:
Good rolling man, looking forward to seeing the MT videos.
I’ve always been jealous of Chad’s hair.[/quote]
LOL I understand. He’s got that look.
Xen Nova. Thanks! that means a lot coming from you.
Good lord Muay Thai class involved a warmup with a ton of Ab work and my Abs were sore from the gym the other day. I was dying and I hate pussing out in class. One heluva burn going on.
The class consisisted of sparring. I love it. we sparred with limitations such as only jab or straight only hooks etc. Had 2 rounds where it was anything goes. I really feel like these days make me better. I have a video of this. Just need wifi and the time to upload. Hopefully I can do it this weekend. Busy weekend and putting the cage up on Saturday for the fights Sat. night.
OK Finally got this video uploaded. Long story and stupid but anyway here it is.
Sparring. Every round was a little different with what was allowed as far as strikes. No kicks. the first round was jab hand straight punch only, others were cross hand only some were both. Watch the vid you can pick out what is going on. You will also see guys get frustratted and throw a body shot or a hook or something too…LOL. I am the only one wearing shin guards.
Only had a chance to watch the first 5 minutes or so, but two things really stick out:
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Black shirt red shorts is in for a very nasty knockout some point in the near future.
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When you circle to your left, you are moving with your rear leg first a lot of the time. I don’t know whether that is a cardinal sin in MMA, but in straight up boxing you’d be in for a very long night with that footwork. I suspect it is similar in MMA. You’d get a shit load of slips given as knockdowns if you fought a decent striker, and you might be disheartened thinking you were getting you arse handed to you, without knowing why. I would strongly encourage you to work on always moving in a direction with the leg closest to that direction first.
Otherwise good work for as far as I have got. Maybe more head movement, but haven’t really watched in enough detail yet to know if that is a fair comment.
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Yeah he has some skills he needs to settle down a lot and he likes to pose after his shots.
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I need to watch the video again. I have been working my footwork a lot. I wish I had a coach who knew jack shit about it and could point some things out. I just try things on my own and pay for it sometimes. However if I am doing what you say then that it is wrong and I know it, that is striking 101.
[quote]Ranzo wrote:
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Yeah he has some skills he needs to settle down a lot and he likes to pose after his shots.
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I need to watch the video again. I have been working my footwork a lot. I wish I had a coach who knew jack shit about it and could point some things out. I just try things on my own and pay for it sometimes. However if I am doing what you say then that it is wrong and I know it, that is striking 101. [/quote]
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Actually I meant he is going to get his arse handed to him. He jumps in a lot, and falls forwards almost into a lot of his shots. One clean hook or straight shot from a puncher, and he’s going straight to sleep. I agree though, he obviously has some potential, but his coach should have a word with him about his falling in and leaping in, for the safety of the kid.
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Have a look at the first couple of minutes of the footage once you start, and see if you agree with me mate. To me, it looked like that’s what you were doing. No harm in going back to practising moving round a medicine ball for a couple of rounds now and again, making sure you’re in and out and side to side with the right technique. I used to do it once or twice a year for a couple of years. Maybe only 5/6 rounds a year, but if it isn’t coming naturally, you’ll feel it.
Ranzo,
Thank you for taking the time and effort to produce the video. It is always good to watch how other fighters train and move. Londonboxer is far more experienced than me in explaining movement, but, I used to have a coach who always preached" your lead leg is like the front sight on a rifle, always get in on target first and the rest will follow". This falls in on what LB was saying. Again, thanks. I am an envious of your training facility and whats seems to be plenty of fighters to work with.
You fighting any time soon?