Roman Empire was centrally planned and it was pretty successful…
[quote]Sloth wrote:
John S. wrote:
Uh, oh looks like someone is pursuing amnesty.
SWR open mouth insert foot.
Bwahaha! Talk about perfect timing![/quote]
SWR? You there, buddy?
Seriously, who didn’t see that coming? No, I don’t mean what Obama defenders tell us here, as strategic denial. Because, come on, they really knew this was coming. I mean, think of those millions of purchased voters.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Sloth wrote:
John S. wrote:
Uh, oh looks like someone is pursuing amnesty.
SWR open mouth insert foot.
Bwahaha! Talk about perfect timing!
SWR? You there, buddy? [/quote]
lol, this is exactly what I meant in my other post, and why I don’t come into never-ending arguments in this retarded forum. People assume absence of their opposition means they won the argument.
Go back and re-read what I’ve said. I don’t post in the politics thread for this very reason.
I didn’t say anyone wasn’t “perusing amnesty”. I asked for his words because he is always mis-quoted…and that very link that you all jumped on with your “oooooh shi son yeayah! hahaha we got him highfive” high school behavior, proved MY point. You assumed I said something I didn’t say because I asked for his exact words, and I turned out to be right.
You there? You there?
(waits 4 more seconds)
You there?
fucking morons.
btw, go check my posts for the last 5 years and see how many times I posted in these forums…I’ll give you a hint, I don’t check them often and won’t be looking every 2 seconds for a reply.
[quote]SWR wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Sloth wrote:
John S. wrote:
Uh, oh looks like someone is pursuing amnesty.
SWR open mouth insert foot.
Bwahaha! Talk about perfect timing!
SWR? You there, buddy?
lol, this is exactly what I meant in my other post, and why I don’t come into never-ending arguments in this retarded forum. People assume absence of their opposition means they won the argument.
Go back and re-read what I’ve said. I don’t post in the politics thread for this very reason.
I didn’t say anyone wasn’t “perusing amnesty”. I asked for his words because he is always mis-quoted…and that very link that you all jumped on with your “oooooh shi son yeayah! hahaha we got him highfive” high school behavior, proved MY point. You assumed I said something I didn’t say because I asked for his exact words, and I turned out to be right.
You there? You there?
(waits 4 more seconds)
You there?
fucking morons.
btw, go check my posts for the last 5 years and see how many times I posted in these forums…I’ll give you a hint, I don’t check them often and won’t be looking every 2 seconds for a reply.[/quote]
This wasn’t the first time he’s supported amnesty…
http://voices.kansascity.com/node/1653
[quote]SWR wrote:
jawara wrote:
Um, actaully illegals ar going to be able to get access.
What page of the bill says they will get govt. funded health care?
Here’s a link if you want to flip through it:
The link you sent doesnt have all the pages of the bill. Supposedly page 642 says somthing about not having to provide ID. To me thats that same as letting illegals use OUR healthcare. Anyway I’m gonna keep looking, everytime I try to read the bill it messes up my computer because of how many pages it is.
[quote]jawara wrote:
SWR wrote:
jawara wrote:
Um, actaully illegals ar going to be able to get access.
What page of the bill says they will get govt. funded health care?
Here’s a link if you want to flip through it:
The link you sent doesnt have all the pages of the bill. Supposedly page 642 says somthing about not having to provide ID. To me thats that same as letting illegals use OUR healthcare. Anyway I’m gonna keep looking, everytime I try to read the bill it messes up my computer because of how many pages it is.
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I checked that page I don’t see anythng that about providing and ID anywhere in the bill at all. Oh and here’s a link with all the pages http://www.scribd.com/doc/21889661/H-R-3962-Big-Brother-is-Here
[quote]Sloth wrote:
<<< This thread should be used as an opportunity for Obama/Pelosi supporters to voice their regrets. We’re here to welcome you.[/quote]
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
K2000 wrote:
John S. wrote:
You do realize that we are using that money to fund social programs right?
I am against social programs so… we don’t need it.
Class of 2009 really has failed.
Man, I really hope your guys will campaign on ending social programs. You would never win anything bigger than a local election. Your political movement would go the way of the dodo bird.
Thanks in advance.
Yes, and I really hope your guys continue to dump endless amounts of money into them to “fix” problems that would not exist if these programs did not exist in the first place. If we cannot end it with legislation we will let natural law do the work for us because really these programs are destined to failure anyway.
How about another few billion for Cash for Clunkers…? You got some real geniuses on your side.
Yeah and you also have these idiots that take a fictional book and claim it was from God, they have based a whole religion of free market. And at the end of the book all the problems that exist with socialism take over in capitalism also
That is true genius take fiction and base a religion on it.
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I agree.
And “Das Kapital” was not even that good.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Insurance did not start out being for profit; it started out pooling everybodyâ??s money, to pay for expensive procedures. One was started by Doctors and one by the hospitals one was Blue Cross and one was Blue Shield.
Insurance should be no more than an accounting procedure. It is all about counting beans. There is no need for profit or exorbitant salaries
[/quote]
Excellent.
Tell you what, since they all make “excessive profits” anyway, why not build an insurance company that makes only moderate profits and takes everyone with pre existing conditions and so further and so on.
Once you have figured out how to do that get back to us and we will bow to you.
And you would be a billionaire, which, even though the dollar is not what it was, would be pretty cool.
[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
Roman Empire was centrally planned and it was pretty successful…[/quote]
The western or the eastern one?
Because with the fall of the republic the western one introduced price controls, inflated the currency and was done around 476 even though it was really finished probably 100 years earlier.
Until then Rome had consisted of several factions that pulled into different directions, after that the emperors became too powerful and the senate was a mere sideshow.
East Rome however that relied heavily on trade and had a strong caste of merchants that would not stand for blatant currency debasement and trade restrictions fell 1000 years later, 1453. Not so much because it rotted from within but because the Ottoman empire conquered them.
Also, the link above is about the west Roman command economy.
Let me guess, they lie too?
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Because they are the gutter trash of the country and want something for nothing… its a means of buying votes from the lazy and you know it… Liberals get elected because they think they are freaking robin hood… I’ll take someone elses money who is “rich” and give it to you because your too lazy to get a job…
Then you turn around and tell me that taking medicare away (even though it doesnt work and most people choose not to get a job because its easier to get medicare to pay for it) is a bad idea… we NEVER should have start S.S or Medicare/medicad … whatever happened to working hard for what you have / want…
Also, if you want real health reform, get rid of the trial lawyers bs lawsuits and boarders on companies insuring people… When the Govt messes with the free market system shit spirals downward, and turning more control over too them is NOT going to fix it… taking it back from them (away from govt contro) is what will…
[quote]K2000 wrote:
Therizza wrote:
holy fucking shit. you drank all the koolaid man!
Translation: you can’t think of anything intelligent to say.
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He is truly indoctorinated yes,
but everyone in this country owns the mess we are in, even the most conservative ones here. None of us have done what we need to change this, so until we do, we are all responsible.
Stopping this progression can only happen one way. It has gone too far to try to go through tradition political channels,
K2000, you have no fing right to rob from my family and my healthcare worse, ruin their lives that I have worked so hard to build. So in that I have already told every progressive liberal I come in contact on a daily basis to stay the f out of my way I will ruin them. And I work with a lot, my parent company is French, but it is split there , either progressive liberal or conservative stockpiling for the inevitable.
so in short when the shit comes enjoy what you brought upon yourselves.
One of the most enjoyable parts of fighting in a cage is feeling someone’s life fade as they go out. One of the most exhilerating is feeling your ownl life fade as you go out, t is even better coming back though.
some of were born embrace the monster, some to flee, and we can see it in your eyes.
jawara I believe you are in the military or were, thank you.
[quote]K2000 wrote:
I bet most people that want health care reform only do so because they’re told our current system is “bad”. They don’t know know how or why it’s bad, but they heard it is, and it needs to be fixed.
Maybe they know somebody who went bankrupt because of a medical crisis. 62% of bankruptcies were based in medical problems, in 2007.
Maybe they know somebody who lost their home because of medical problems.
Maybe their premiums went up (cost of health insurance premiums doubled since 2000)
Employers want health care reform because the costs of insurance are killing them. And many employers are shifting the burden onto their employees. Big businesses want reform, and small businesses want reform too. We might disagree on what that reform would be, but most people recognize that there are problems with the current insurance system. We can track the costs and then project how they will continue to go up, and continue to negatively impact our economy.
But you say that you are personally unaware of any problems with our health care system? It sounds like it’s nice to be you.[/quote]
yeah and how is that someone elses responsibility, they accpted the service they had that choice,
you are probably one of those pieces of crap that thinks it is ok to not pay your mortgage we will all pick it up for you.
[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
Roman Empire was centrally planned and it was pretty successful…[/quote]
yeah til it went bankrupt and failed, then only those employed by the government paid in gold had anything.
[quote]orion wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Insurance did not start out being for profit; it started out pooling everybody�¢??s money, to pay for expensive procedures. One was started by Doctors and one by the hospitals one was Blue Cross and one was Blue Shield.
Insurance should be no more than an accounting procedure. It is all about counting beans. There is no need for profit or exorbitant salaries
Excellent.
Tell you what, since they all make “excessive profits” anyway, why not build an insurance company that makes only moderate profits and takes everyone with pre existing conditions and so further and so on.
Once you have figured out how to do that get back to us and we will bow to you.
And you would be a billionaire, which, even though the dollar is not what it was, would be pretty cool.[/quote]
Interesting note Blue Cross and Blue Shield lost their tax exempt status in 1986
I do not imagine I would have to use my imagination to much it is already recorded in history
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
Roman Empire was centrally planned and it was pretty successful…
yeah til it went bankrupt and failed, then only those employed by the government paid in gold had anything.
[/quote]
I did not know it went bankrupt, where did you get the info?
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
orion wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Insurance did not start out being for profit; it started out pooling everybody�?�¢??s money, to pay for expensive procedures. One was started by Doctors and one by the hospitals one was Blue Cross and one was Blue Shield.
Insurance should be no more than an accounting procedure. It is all about counting beans. There is no need for profit or exorbitant salaries
Excellent.
Tell you what, since they all make “excessive profits” anyway, why not build an insurance company that makes only moderate profits and takes everyone with pre existing conditions and so further and so on.
Once you have figured out how to do that get back to us and we will bow to you.
And you would be a billionaire, which, even though the dollar is not what it was, would be pretty cool.
Interesting note Blue Cross and Blue Shield lost their tax exempt status in 1986
I do not imagine I would have to use my imagination to much it is already recorded in history
[/quote]
What?
Big business lobbied big government to get rid of unwanted competition?
Outrageous!
Clearly governments influence on health care needs to be minimized to make such shenanigans impossible!
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
K2000 wrote:
Therizza wrote:
jawara I believe you are in the military or were, thank you.[/quote]
Your welcome brother.