For every second that any pittbull song is played your testosterone drops 1%.
I remember the first time I heard that ear cancer being played on the radio… “I know you want me, I know you want me, I know you want me, I know you want me, I know you want me…” I thought, I bet people will actually like that pile of steaming shite. A couple of weeks later and it’s no.1 all over the place. People never fail to amaze me.
Hip hop is not going to die. I can’t see it going anywhere.
As to mainstream rappers, some are great (kanye) and some are terrible (lil wayne most of the time. I dont like eminem for some reason his voice annoys me but his lyrics are class.
I agree with Pro. X on the ‘‘music’’ alot of people on this listen to is awful to my ears.
no class? i think not
How much money they have?
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]bignate wrote:
ID - electronic music although not using instruments does involve difficult processes of resampling, synthesizing and mixing, these are equally as hard as playing a guitar but in a different respect. For anyone who disagrees why dont you go buy a synth and see how many fat bass lines you can make.[/quote]
I’m not bashing the genre as a whole. I’m bashing pop music where image is more impoortant than sound, substance, and real musical abilities.
My 19 year old son has 2 electronica albums out on iTunes… and just signed a 4 EP deal with a record company in Australia. Also to note, he’s had 9 years classical piano training, and 5 years jazz and rock bass guitar lessons. My point - he has a solid musical foundation which he brings to his electronic digital music.
[/quote]
What do we need to look for if we want to hear some of his work?
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
But that was jim morrison, everything he did was genious.[/quote]
Now I KNOW you’re 16[/quote]
Most 16 yr olds have never even heard of Jim Morrison. So that statement shows your ignorance. you think I’m the only one who thinks he was a genious. Wake up.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
But that was jim morrison, everything he did was genious.[/quote]
Now I KNOW you’re 16[/quote]
Gotta second RV here. The musical styles they mixed took real talent. The documentary on netflix gives really cool insight to the group too.[/quote]
Jim was and is still the victim of myth. “he was always drunk, and a drug addict. he was crazy”
You talk to ray manzerek about jim. That movie made about him, was such an exxaggeration it was unreal. Talk to anyone that knew him, he was anything like how he was portrayed in the movie. Sure, he got drunk and did some crazy things, but like ray said, if he was drunk all the time, how could they write music, how could they perform and record music.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
But that was jim morrison, everything he did was genious.[/quote]
Now I KNOW you’re 16[/quote]
Gotta second RV here. The musical styles they mixed took real talent. The documentary on netflix gives really cool insight to the group too.[/quote]
x2. Jim Morrison was definitely a genius. I mean, literally and musically. His IQ tested out in the high 140’s. As far as his lyrics, so much of it was rooted in philosophy that those who decry his “genius” label would never begin to understand. So to them his lyrics sound like a bunch of psychobabble bullshit. But for those who are familiar with Nietzche, Huxley, Kierkegaard and others, his lyrics take on a whole new meaning.
I think the fact that his lyrics have so many possible meanings (the ‘blue bus’ could mean several different things and songs like 5 to 1 have several possible meanings as well) is further sign of intelligence. It takes a pretty smart person to write anything that is heavy in metaphor that can have several different meanings, all of which say something intelligent and tangible about the world around us.
Beyond that, the guy had a REALLY good voice for someone with no formal training and his ability to create melodies with his lyrics is equally amazing in my opinion. “End of the Night” and “Crystal Ship” come to mind. Plus, the band itself was really musically-talented. Robby Krieger was an excellent guitarist and John Densmore’s drumming is one of the best examples of an almost purely jazz-based drummer fitting perfectly within the framework of a rock band. And Manzarek’s keyboard playing gives the band such a unique, original sound.
I know Morrison has become the poster child for many of the stereotypes and cliches about burned-out rock stars, much of which has to do with Oliver Stone’s basically fictional account of Morrison’s life, but aside from all that bullshit, the guy really was one of the most charismatic and enigmatic frontmen in the history of rock. Shit, he basically used crowds at concerts as some sort of bizarre social experiment in group-think and mob mentality. And I’m not talking about some of his drunken antics later in his career.[/quote]
I agree with this 100%. Every last word. He could get the audience to do anything he wanted. And he did have one of the most unique rock voices of all time. Unlike most rock stars, where they love the adulation and attention, Jim actually despised it. He did everthing he could to get away from that. Gaining weight, looking like a homeless man. he looked far older than he was, all done on purpose. If you listen to any interview he ever did, it shoots down all the myths about him.
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
My man, I feel your pain. I’m 17 and I fucking hate what they call “music” these days. That’s why I stick to 70’s rock, heavy metal, and country, plus some jazz and classical thrown in there for good measure. I used to be a big fan of hip-hop and rap, but I realized that it’s not even music. With that being said, I deleted all the hip-hop, rap, and R&B off of my computer and replaced it with real music.
And I feel you on the choice of music in the gym; it’s Lady GaGa and Katy Perry 24/7 where I lift.
CS[/quote]
Oh god, those are the other 2 they play all the time. Lady gaga and katie perry. How can people want to workout to that crap. Im sure women don’t mind, they seem to love that shit. When was the last time you ever heard some metallica at one of these commercial gyms. or some black sabbath or ozzy or any good rock band. They play fluffy dance music.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
And the Osbourne connection to crowley is complete bullshit.[/quote]
All i know is, he wrote a song about him. thats as far as the connection goes.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
But that was jim morrison, everything he did was genious.[/quote]
Now I KNOW you’re 16[/quote]
Gotta second RV here. The musical styles they mixed took real talent. The documentary on netflix gives really cool insight to the group too.[/quote]
x2. Jim Morrison was definitely a genius. I mean, literally and musically. His IQ tested out in the high 140’s. As far as his lyrics, so much of it was rooted in philosophy that those who decry his “genius” label would never begin to understand. So to them his lyrics sound like a bunch of psychobabble bullshit. But for those who are familiar with Nietzche, Huxley, Kierkegaard and others, his lyrics take on a whole new meaning.
I think the fact that his lyrics have so many possible meanings (the ‘blue bus’ could mean several different things and songs like 5 to 1 have several possible meanings as well) is further sign of intelligence. It takes a pretty smart person to write anything that is heavy in metaphor that can have several different meanings, all of which say something intelligent and tangible about the world around us.
Beyond that, the guy had a REALLY good voice for someone with no formal training and his ability to create melodies with his lyrics is equally amazing in my opinion. “End of the Night” and “Crystal Ship” come to mind. Plus, the band itself was really musically-talented. Robby Krieger was an excellent guitarist and John Densmore’s drumming is one of the best examples of an almost purely jazz-based drummer fitting perfectly within the framework of a rock band. And Manzarek’s keyboard playing gives the band such a unique, original sound.
I know Morrison has become the poster child for many of the stereotypes and cliches about burned-out rock stars, much of which has to do with Oliver Stone’s basically fictional account of Morrison’s life, but aside from all that bullshit, the guy really was one of the most charismatic and enigmatic frontmen in the history of rock. Shit, he basically used crowds at concerts as some sort of bizarre social experiment in group-think and mob mentality. And I’m not talking about some of his drunken antics later in his career.[/quote]
I agree. But like FightingIrish said, Morrison really wasn’t much of a poet.
Agree with the Morrison posts as well. I would lovingly SLIT the throats of Gaga, Beiber et al to have either Morrison or Freddie M back on this planet singing ! It could “possibly” be stated that pearl jam somehow tried to save rock n’ roll from the depths of '90s hell, such is the voice of eddie vetter…
[quote]killerDIRK wrote:
Agree with the Morrison posts as well. I would lovingly SLIT the throats of Gaga, Beiber et al to have either Morrison or Freddie M back on this planet singing ! It could “possibly” be stated that pearl jam somehow tried to save rock n’ roll from the depths of '90s hell, such is the voice of eddie vetter…[/quote]
Mr Contrary here…
Gaga’s music IS utter crap. But I once saw her singing a blues and playing piano. The girl can really sing!
I’d trade out Mercury to have Ronnie James Dio back. 
I’d go as far as saying Alice In Chains and Soundgarden tried saving rock from hell as well.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
But that was jim morrison, everything he did was genious.[/quote]
Now I KNOW you’re 16[/quote]
Gotta second RV here. The musical styles they mixed took real talent. The documentary on netflix gives really cool insight to the group too.[/quote]
x2. Jim Morrison was definitely a genius. I mean, literally and musically. His IQ tested out in the high 140’s. As far as his lyrics, so much of it was rooted in philosophy that those who decry his “genius” label would never begin to understand. So to them his lyrics sound like a bunch of psychobabble bullshit. But for those who are familiar with Nietzche, Huxley, Kierkegaard and others, his lyrics take on a whole new meaning.
I think the fact that his lyrics have so many possible meanings (the ‘blue bus’ could mean several different things and songs like 5 to 1 have several possible meanings as well) is further sign of intelligence. It takes a pretty smart person to write anything that is heavy in metaphor that can have several different meanings, all of which say something intelligent and tangible about the world around us.
Beyond that, the guy had a REALLY good voice for someone with no formal training and his ability to create melodies with his lyrics is equally amazing in my opinion. “End of the Night” and “Crystal Ship” come to mind. Plus, the band itself was really musically-talented. Robby Krieger was an excellent guitarist and John Densmore’s drumming is one of the best examples of an almost purely jazz-based drummer fitting perfectly within the framework of a rock band. And Manzarek’s keyboard playing gives the band such a unique, original sound.
I know Morrison has become the poster child for many of the stereotypes and cliches about burned-out rock stars, much of which has to do with Oliver Stone’s basically fictional account of Morrison’s life, but aside from all that bullshit, the guy really was one of the most charismatic and enigmatic frontmen in the history of rock. Shit, he basically used crowds at concerts as some sort of bizarre social experiment in group-think and mob mentality. And I’m not talking about some of his drunken antics later in his career.[/quote]
Meh.
Sub-par lyrics, melodramatic poetry, sub-par musicianship.
The Doors were more popular after Jim was dead.
Jimmy was a record label image, not a musician…
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
But that was jim morrison, everything he did was genious.[/quote]
Now I KNOW you’re 16[/quote]
Gotta second RV here. The musical styles they mixed took real talent. The documentary on netflix gives really cool insight to the group too.[/quote]
Jim was and is still the victim of myth. “he was always drunk, and a drug addict. he was crazy”
You talk to ray manzerek about jim. That movie made about him, was such an exxaggeration it was unreal. Talk to anyone that knew him, he was anything like how he was portrayed in the movie. Sure, he got drunk and did some crazy things, but like ray said, if he was drunk all the time, how could they write music, how could they perform and record music. [/quote]
They did focus on the negative for sure but he wasn’t the first musician to use alchohol and drugs to tap into the occult or influence “auto-writing”. Skip over Beethoven all the way back to Sumeria and you’ll find people have been functioning under various external influences since the beginning.
Morrison did draw creativity from altered mind states; I agree the broken, washed up image he is portrayed as is probably exaggerated.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
But that was jim morrison, everything he did was genious.[/quote]
Now I KNOW you’re 16[/quote]
Gotta second RV here. The musical styles they mixed took real talent. The documentary on netflix gives really cool insight to the group too.[/quote]
x2. Jim Morrison was definitely a genius. I mean, literally and musically. His IQ tested out in the high 140’s. As far as his lyrics, so much of it was rooted in philosophy that those who decry his “genius” label would never begin to understand. So to them his lyrics sound like a bunch of psychobabble bullshit. But for those who are familiar with Nietzche, Huxley, Kierkegaard and others, his lyrics take on a whole new meaning.
I think the fact that his lyrics have so many possible meanings (the ‘blue bus’ could mean several different things and songs like 5 to 1 have several possible meanings as well) is further sign of intelligence. It takes a pretty smart person to write anything that is heavy in metaphor that can have several different meanings, all of which say something intelligent and tangible about the world around us.
Beyond that, the guy had a REALLY good voice for someone with no formal training and his ability to create melodies with his lyrics is equally amazing in my opinion. “End of the Night” and “Crystal Ship” come to mind. Plus, the band itself was really musically-talented. Robby Krieger was an excellent guitarist and John Densmore’s drumming is one of the best examples of an almost purely jazz-based drummer fitting perfectly within the framework of a rock band. And Manzarek’s keyboard playing gives the band such a unique, original sound.
I know Morrison has become the poster child for many of the stereotypes and cliches about burned-out rock stars, much of which has to do with Oliver Stone’s basically fictional account of Morrison’s life, but aside from all that bullshit, the guy really was one of the most charismatic and enigmatic frontmen in the history of rock. Shit, he basically used crowds at concerts as some sort of bizarre social experiment in group-think and mob mentality. And I’m not talking about some of his drunken antics later in his career.[/quote]
Meh.
Sub-par lyrics, melodramatic poetry, sub-par musicianship.
The Doors were more popular after Jim was dead.
Jimmy was a record label image, not a musician…[/quote]And the meat of the lyrics are interpreted as psycho babble
I hope yall realize most pop artists dont write their music, and as ID just mentioned they can be really talented, the same happens to rap, pretty much money oriented.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
x2. Jim Morrison was definitely a genius. I mean, literally and musically. His IQ tested out in the high 140’s. As far as his lyrics, so much of it was rooted in philosophy that those who decry his “genius” label would never begin to understand. So to them his lyrics sound like a bunch of psychobabble bullshit. But for those who are familiar with Nietzche, Huxley, Kierkegaard and others, his lyrics take on a whole new meaning.
[/quote]
[i]Lyrics to End Of The Night:
Take the highway to the
end of the night
End of the night
End of the night
Take a journey to the bright midnight
End of the night
End of the night
Realms of bliss
Realms of light
Some are born to sweet delight
Some are born to sweet delight
Some are born to the endless night
End of the night
End of the night
End of the night
End of the night
Realms of bliss
Realms of light
Some are born to sweet delight
Some are born to sweet delight
Some are born to the endless night
End of the night
End of the night
End of the night
End of the night
[/i]
That’s some fucking genius right there.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
But that was jim morrison, everything he did was genious.[/quote]
Now I KNOW you’re 16[/quote]
Gotta second RV here. The musical styles they mixed took real talent. The documentary on netflix gives really cool insight to the group too.[/quote]
x2. Jim Morrison was definitely a genius. I mean, literally and musically. His IQ tested out in the high 140’s. As far as his lyrics, so much of it was rooted in philosophy that those who decry his “genius” label would never begin to understand. So to them his lyrics sound like a bunch of psychobabble bullshit. But for those who are familiar with Nietzche, Huxley, Kierkegaard and others, his lyrics take on a whole new meaning.
I think the fact that his lyrics have so many possible meanings (the ‘blue bus’ could mean several different things and songs like 5 to 1 have several possible meanings as well) is further sign of intelligence. It takes a pretty smart person to write anything that is heavy in metaphor that can have several different meanings, all of which say something intelligent and tangible about the world around us.
Beyond that, the guy had a REALLY good voice for someone with no formal training and his ability to create melodies with his lyrics is equally amazing in my opinion. “End of the Night” and “Crystal Ship” come to mind. Plus, the band itself was really musically-talented. Robby Krieger was an excellent guitarist and John Densmore’s drumming is one of the best examples of an almost purely jazz-based drummer fitting perfectly within the framework of a rock band. And Manzarek’s keyboard playing gives the band such a unique, original sound.
I know Morrison has become the poster child for many of the stereotypes and cliches about burned-out rock stars, much of which has to do with Oliver Stone’s basically fictional account of Morrison’s life, but aside from all that bullshit, the guy really was one of the most charismatic and enigmatic frontmen in the history of rock. Shit, he basically used crowds at concerts as some sort of bizarre social experiment in group-think and mob mentality. And I’m not talking about some of his drunken antics later in his career.[/quote]
Meh.
Sub-par lyrics, melodramatic poetry, sub-par musicianship.
The Doors were more popular after Jim was dead.
Jimmy was a record label image, not a musician…[/quote]
Well, last time I checked shooting below par was really good.
But seriously, what makes lyrics good in your opinion? I think it’s a pretty subjective statement to say that his lyrics are sub-par. Of course, everything I said about him is totally subjective as well. But I explained myself. I’m not trying to harangue you here, but isn’t it possible that you simply don’t like his lyrics because they aren’t your thing?
Also, as far as their musicianship goes, I’m not a guitar or organ player but I do play the drums so I can speak for Densmore’s drumming ability. He was pretty fucking good and had a very unique style. Back then there were actually quite a bit of drummers with a jazz background (Ginger Baker, Charlie Watts and Mitch Mitchell for example) and they all worked that background into a musical genre that was NOT jazz. Densmore was good in his own way and certainly didn’t lack for chops. His snare drum control and his sense of rhythm are up there with the best of them. I love his style, what can I say? Especially on The End and When the Music’s Over. And he plays a wide variety of rhythmic patterns as well. Shit, he opens up Break on Through with some sort of fucking bossa nova variation!
I think a lot of criticism of Morrison, and by extension, The Doors, comes from people who forget the context in which The Doors happened. It’s easy NOW to look at Morrison as jaded, self-indulgent, superficially intellectual and the epitome of rock star cliches. But that’s only because there have been so many poor, poor imitations of him over the years that he, almost by osmosis, has been lumped into that crowd. The reality is that before Morrison, there wasn’t anyone like him AT ALL and he was above and beyond the sort of haphazard sycophant-like imitators that he unwittingly spawned.
And I think that can be said about a lot of really good things, both in music and outside of it. There are all sorts of examples of bands that have been really good and ended up spawning these cheap ripoffs to the point where the backlash against the ripoffs ends up being extended to the original act that had nothing to do with their imitators.
Led Zeppelin is a perfect example. They were a great band with incredible musicians all around and a singer with a nearly unrivaled (in rock) 4, possibly 5, octave vocal range, at least between 1968 and 1973-74. But look at a lot of the bands that tried to emulate them. I think a lot of the bullshit hair rock from the 80’s was a direct descendant of Led Zeppelin. But none of those bands had bassists, guitarists, singers and CERTAINLY not drummers who could compare to Led Zeppelin. But they became part of the same cliches and jokes anyways.
One could say the same thing about Rage Against the Machine and “rap-rock” as well. Look at the fucking tripe that they ended up inspiring to some extent: Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park come to mind.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
x2. Jim Morrison was definitely a genius. I mean, literally and musically. His IQ tested out in the high 140’s. As far as his lyrics, so much of it was rooted in philosophy that those who decry his “genius” label would never begin to understand. So to them his lyrics sound like a bunch of psychobabble bullshit. But for those who are familiar with Nietzche, Huxley, Kierkegaard and others, his lyrics take on a whole new meaning.
[/quote]
[i]Lyrics to End Of The Night:
Take the highway to the
end of the night
End of the night
End of the night
Take a journey to the bright midnight
End of the night
End of the night
Realms of bliss
Realms of light
Some are born to sweet delight
Some are born to sweet delight
Some are born to the endless night
End of the night
End of the night
End of the night
End of the night
Realms of bliss
Realms of light
Some are born to sweet delight
Some are born to sweet delight
Some are born to the endless night
End of the night
End of the night
End of the night
End of the night
[/i]
That’s some fucking genius right there.[/quote]
Oh come off it Steely! I never said that EVERY song he wrote was genius-laden. But actually, that song is a great example of the great natural voice he had. I really don’t know anything about his vocal influences, but I would suspect that he was a big Sinatra fan because he fucking croons with the best of them. I’m tempted to start bombarding this thread with examples of what I would consider to be great lyrics of his. In fact, fuck it. I’m going to.
From “When the Music’s Over”:
Cancel my subscription to the Resurrection
Send my credentials to the House of Detention
I got some friends inside
The face in the mirror won’t stop
The girl in the window won’t drop
A feast of friends
“Alive!” she cried
Waitin’ for me
Outside!
Before I sink
Into the big sleep
I want to hear
I want to hear
The scream of the butterfly
Come back, baby
Back into my arm
We’re gettin’ tired of hangin’ around
Waitin’ around with our heads to the ground
I hear a very gentle sound
Very near yet very far
Very soft, yeah, very clear
Come today, come today
What have they done to the earth?
What have they done to our fair sister?
Ravaged and plundered and ripped her and bit her
Stuck her with knives in the side of the dawn
And tied her with fences and dragged her down
I hear a very gentle sound
With your ear down to the ground
We want the world and we want it…
We want the world and we want it…
Now
Now?
Now!
Persian night, babe
See the light, babe
Save us!
Jesus!
Save us!
So when the music’s over
When the music’s over, yeah
When the music’s over
Turn out the lights
Turn out the lights
Turn out the lights
Well the music is your special friend
Dance on fire as it intends
Music is your only friend
Until the end
Until the end
Until the end!
Here’s some great fucking lyrics! This song is basically a love song but he interjects some of his poetry in the middle, and I for one like it. The middle section can have any number of meanings, depending on who’s reading them. It’s like a Choose Your Own Adventure book in the middle of a song. Remember, at the time Morrison’s lyrical style was totally different than anyone else’s. It was original and avant-garde and they pushed some sort of boundary that most song-writers weren’t willing to push back then. I give any musician/lyricist a lot of credit if they attempt to be totally different than the norm and they can succeed at it.
edit: one of the things I really like about this song is that the first part of it is about breaking up, but it’s more about breaking up with a girl who you’ve moved somewhere with and now it’s time for each of them to start a new life in an area that they may be new to or only have lived in together. A whole new world within the same one they’ve been living in the whole time.
This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end
Of our elaborate plans, the end
Of everything that stands, the end
No safety or surprise, the end
I’ll never look into your eyes…again
Can you picture what will be
So limitless and free
Desperately in need…of some…stranger’s hand
In a…desperate land
Lost in a Roman…wilderness of pain
And all the children are insane
All the children are insane
Waiting for the summer rain, yeah
There’s danger on the edge of town
Ride the King’s highway, baby
Weird scenes inside the gold mine
Ride the highway west, baby
Ride the snake, ride the snake
To the lake, the ancient lake, baby
The snake is long, seven miles
Ride the snake…he’s old, and his skin is cold
The west is the best
The west is the best
Get here, and we’ll do the rest
The blue bus is callin’ us
The blue bus is callin’ us
Driver, where you taken’ us
The killer awoke before dawn, he put his boots on
He took a face from the ancient gallery
And he walked on down the hall
He went into the room where his sister lived, and…then he
Paid a visit to his brother, and then he
He walked on down the hall, and
And he came to a door…and he looked inside
Father, yes son, I want to kill you
Mother…I want to…fuck you
C’mon baby, take a chance with us
C’mon baby, take a chance with us
C’mon baby, take a chance with us
And meet me at the back of the blue bus
Doin’ a blue rock
On a blue bus
Doin’ a blue rock
C’mon, yeah
Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill
This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end
It hurts to set you free
But you’ll never follow me
The end of laughter and soft lies
The end of nights we tried to die
This is the end