Radical Islam Taking Over U.K.

Radical Islamic sect ‘has half of Britain’s mosques in its grip’
Last updated at 09:36am on 7th September 2007

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Hardliner: Riyadh ul Haq preaches contempt for non-Muslims
A hardline Islamic movement, whose leading UK imam preaches anti-Semitism and calls on Muslims to “shed blood for Allah”, is controlling almost half of Britain’s mosques, a police report has found.

The influence of the ultra-conservative Deobandi sect, which is characterised by its total rejection of western values, has grown to such an extent that police now believe it runs more than 600 of Britain’s 1,350 mosques.

The revelations will put further scrutiny on plans for a “mega mosque” in east London by a group called Tablighi Jamaat, who are closely linked to the Deobandi movement.

The £100 million plan to build the “Islamic village” next to the Olympic site is already mired in controversy after intelligence services said the group was a recruiting ground for al Qaeda.

The Deobandi- controlled mosques are predominantly found in the Midlands and the North - such as the Tablighi Jamaat mosque which 7/7 bombers Mohammad Sidique Khan and Shehzad Tanweer were known to attend.

But about 170 London mosques are classified as Deobandi-run compared with less than 100 run by the moderate Sufi-based Barelwi movement.

Seventeen of Britain’s 26 Islamic seminaries are also run by Deobandis, producing 80 per cent of clerics trained here.

The most vocal preacher in Britain, Sheikh Riyadh ul Haq, supports armed jihad and is openly contemptuous of Christians, Jews and Hindus.

Mr ul Haq, 36, who runs an Islamic academy in Leicester, gained notoriety with a series of outspoken lectures after 9/11 when he was Imam of Birmingham Central Mosque. He has since travelled the world preaching that America and its allies are seeking to wipe out Islam.

Tapes of his sermons reveal an open hatred of Western culture, an admiration for the Taliban and a passion for martyrdom - although he does say in one lecture that “British Muslims should not rise here”.

A favourite talk of his, however, warns Muslims of the perils of befriending the “kuffar”, or non-believer. He says: “The Koran teaches Muslims not to follow in the footsteps of the Jews and the Christians, yet of our own choice we decide to live, act, work, behave, enjoy and play just like the kuffar”.

"Do not befriend the kuffarî was Allah’s warning to Muslims, and Muhammad told his companions “to distance themselves and fear this alignment with the kuffar in every way, even to the manner of dressing”.

Moderate forces within Britain’s Muslim community say they are doing all they can to counter the influence of preachers like Sheikh Riyadh ul Haq.

Ghayasuddin Siddiqui of the Muslim Parliament said: “There is no doubt the Deobandi movement became more influential in Britain’s mosques in the Nineties and this went largely unchecked. The situation now is of great concern as almost all Islamic extremism originates from the Deobandi thinking”.

A Department for Communities spokesman said: “We have a strategy to ensure imams represent mainstream moderate opinion and promote values like tolerance and respect of the law. We never said the challenge from extremism is restricted to those coming from overseas”.

Here’s the source:

Don’t you feel the love?

While you’re on the subject of Europe, you might want to keep an eye on Sweden’s slow but sure capitulation to the religion of peace. Anything to appease the islamists upset about… cartoons of course.

http://www.alalam.ir/english/en-NewsPage.asp?newsid=041030120070907144155

[quote]pat36 wrote:

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And it’s not getting any better. The rate of radicalization among Muslims is at record levels, I don’t see how they can “take over the U.K.” though.

P.S: Are you a Daily Mail reader?

[quote]lixy wrote:
pat36 wrote:

And it’s not getting any better. The rate of radicalization among Muslims is at record levels, I don’t see how they can “take over the U.K.” though.

P.S: Are you a Daily Mail reader?[/quote]

Look at their birth rates across Europe.

[quote]Tokoya wrote:
lixy wrote:
pat36 wrote:

And it’s not getting any better. The rate of radicalization among Muslims is at record levels, I don’t see how they can “take over the U.K.” though.

P.S: Are you a Daily Mail reader?

Look at their birth rates across Europe. [/quote]

Hmm, do you have a sterilization program in mind?

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
Tokoya wrote:
lixy wrote:
pat36 wrote:

And it’s not getting any better. The rate of radicalization among Muslims is at record levels, I don’t see how they can “take over the U.K.” though.

P.S: Are you a Daily Mail reader?

Look at their birth rates across Europe.

Hmm, do you have a sterilization program in mind?[/quote]

No. Just a sane immigration policy. Wish we had one in te US.

[quote]Tokoya wrote:
lixy wrote:
pat36 wrote:

And it’s not getting any better. The rate of radicalization among Muslims is at record levels, I don’t see how they can “take over the U.K.” though.

P.S: Are you a Daily Mail reader?

Look at their birth rates across Europe. [/quote]

There’s a great book about that that I read called “America Alone” by Mark Steyn. Check it out.

[quote]Tokoya wrote:
Look at their birth rates across Europe. [/quote]

For the past 6 years, the Bush administration has been withholding funds for foreign birth control programs:

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/09/07/america/NA-GEN-US-UN-Population-Fund.php

http://www.commondreams.org/news2007/0906-14.htm

And while the article focuses on China, that program also affects many other poor countries, including many in Africa and the Middle East.

But maybe you could, in addition to freedom and democracy, bring them appreciation for abstinence? I’m sure it would be at least as successful.

[quote]pookie wrote:

For the past 6 years, the Bush administration has been withholding funds for foreign birth control programs:
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Why is it Bush’s responsibility to make sure other countries have and use condoms?

That is the absolute stupidest excuse for rising birth rates I have ever heard.

Tell me you are just pulling chains here. Please.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Why is it Bush’s responsibility to make sure other countries have and use condoms?[/quote]

It don’t think it’s his responsibility, but those U.N. programs were elaborated initially with the US’s input and participation. While you’re free to change your mind, is can be argued that giving the poorest of the poor mean to control their birth rates and help with family planning might improve their conditions.

Not much to do over there other than fuck all the time, their birth rates are naturally high. I just think it’s odd that the people who worry about their democracies being toppled from the inside by an ever increasing immigrant population who doesn’t integrate (much less assimilate) are also those who are generally opposed to any form of birth control.

I’m not equating their high birth rates with your lack of funding of those programs; just commenting on the weird disconnect between worrying about their high birth rates and removing from them what little help their was in controlling it.

Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani’s “peaceful” views on how to co-exist with nonbelievers…

Right up until the point they’re strong enough to wage jihad.

One honest muslim’s view…

[quote]pookie wrote:
Tokoya wrote:
Look at their birth rates across Europe.

For the past 6 years, the Bush administration has been withholding funds for foreign birth control programs:

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/09/07/america/NA-GEN-US-UN-Population-Fund.php

http://www.commondreams.org/news2007/0906-14.htm

And while the article focuses on China, that program also affects many other poor countries, including many in Africa and the Middle East.

But maybe you could, in addition to freedom and democracy, bring them appreciation for abstinence? I’m sure it would be at least as successful.
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I thought you were mad because Bush was thinning out their population. Make up your mind.

England and the rest of Europe is fucked if they don’t take drastic action immediately and I don’t see that happening although the Swiss may have woken up.

I am glad America’s immigrants are mostly Hispanic as their culture is compatible with ours.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
England and the rest of Europe is fucked if they don’t take drastic action immediately and I don’t see that happening although the Swiss may have woken up.

I am glad America’s immigrants are mostly Hispanic as their culture is compatible with ours.

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I don’t know that there’s anything some of these European nations can do. My understanding of the demographics and birthrates (from what I’ve read) suggests they’re at a point from which no nation has recovered. They’re birthrates being so, so far behind that of the Muslim immigrant.

And unfortunately in some of these European nations, muslims (according to surveys) have a largely disproportionate section of the rapidly growing population that is radical.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
I thought you were mad because Bush was thinning out their population. Make up your mind.[/quote]

Dropping bombs on them is very different from giving them pills or condoms. It’s astoundingly more expensive and clearly less moral.

[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I thought you were mad because Bush was thinning out their population. Make up your mind.

Dropping bombs on them is very different from giving them pills or condoms. It’s astoundingly more expensive and clearly less moral.[/quote]

It is killing the guilty. Unfortunately radical Islam is taking joy in killing the innocent.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I thought you were mad because Bush was thinning out their population. Make up your mind.

Dropping bombs on them is very different from giving them pills or condoms. It’s astoundingly more expensive and clearly less moral.

It is killing the guilty. Unfortunately radical Islam is taking joy in killing the innocent.[/quote]

Intelligent daisycutters?

Baby- preserving- cruise missiles`?

Women, children and elderly friendly air support?

Or is your definition of “guilty” , “to have been killed by an American bomb”?

[quote]pookie wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Why is it Bush’s responsibility to make sure other countries have and use condoms?

It don’t think it’s his responsibility, but those U.N. programs were elaborated initially with the US’s input and participation. While you’re free to change your mind, is can be argued that giving the poorest of the poor mean to control their birth rates and help with family planning might improve their conditions.
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Then it sounds to me like it is a UN problem, not a US problem. If the UN can’t find the money in their budget to buy a few billion condoms - then maybe they should stop buying blue spray paint, and move to a cheaper building.

To blame the US for UN failure is laughable. The UN is the most inept organization on the face of the planet, including the Bush Whitehouse (if you are inclined to think that it is).

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
It is killing the guilty. [/quote]

Need I remind you of the cluster bombs you guys drops on Iraq? The buildings - with babies in them - you levelled out without notice? The women your soldiers shot? What were those guilty of? Living? Not having the resources to flee the country?

At this point, there’s no point debating with you. You get to havee a well-deserved Fuck You!

[quote]lixy wrote:
At this point, there’s no point debating with you. You get to havee a well-deserved Fuck You![/quote]

As if there has ever been a point in debating you.

Go make some IED’s.

I think your friends have killed way more innocents than the US has.

Not that that should be any way to keep score. It’s just more hypocrisy from our local terrorist.