No, that’s not my comeback at all, sasquatch. What percent of gymgoers really focus their training on developing maximum strength and dedicate the bulk of their training to the posterior chain? Now given 6 months of training geared towards developing maximum strength in the classic lifts, I don’t see the 2*BW deadlift being difficult at all to achieve.
v
just for shits and giggles post your numbers. I already know where you will fall, but humor me.
I stand by my assertation that you are strong if you can dead 2* your weight. I stand by my assertation that 6 mos. of training will not allow the average person to achieve this goal.
Take a look at the numbers posted by the people on these forums. Then go check out there body weight and see where they fall.
And these are not ‘average’ lifters who don’t work their ‘posterior chain’
You are able to regurgitate all this info, but have you put it to practical applications? I don’t believe so based on your comments on this forum.
Big James on the over 35 board right now is acompetitive powerlifter and VERY large man. He pulls just barely 2* bw. Again I’m not claiming elite here, but use some common sense. He is strong, and he is experienced.
I wish you the best vroom, and I hope you pull your goal soon.
Alright.
That damned weight had eluded me a couple of times recently, but the bitch and all four of her wheels came off the floor tonight!
So, one major milestone down. Next to fall will probably be my initial bench goal, as I’ve been getting some PR’s in that area too.
Damn, progress feels good… now if Carbolin 19 makes it across the border and helps me lean out a little, I’ll be in heaven.
[quote]Senseial wrote:
Everyone will be the same. Just below the knee is an awkward position and you do not have the full hip drive you do off the bottom or a little lower. Myself I did those just below the knee and pulled 375. for a hard single, and the following week off the floor I did 445lbs for 3.[/quote]
I don’t know how that could be… Here are my rack pulls and deadlift bests:
DL- 410
Rack Pull: mid shin- 420
Rack Pull: just below knee- 420
Rack Pull: just above knee- 435
[quote]vroom wrote:
Alright.
That damned weight had eluded me a couple of times recently, but the bitch and all four of her wheels came off the floor tonight!
So, one major milestone down. Next to fall will probably be my initial bench goal, as I’ve been getting some PR’s in that area too.
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Awesome job!! Congratulations on entering the four wheel club. Is that a double bodyweight lift for you? And what are your bench goals?
[quote]vandalay15 wrote:
After 6 months of wise training, most anyone should be able to pull 2*BW.[/quote]
That sounds about right.
Aggro, it’s a few pounds shy of double body weight… if I leaned out I could probably make it work out.
Is the double bodyweight “concept” skewed a bit in favor of lighter people?
As for the bench, I’m currently shooting for 300lbs. I’ve got a ways to go yet though.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Is the double bodyweight “concept” skewed a bit in favor of lighter people?
As for the bench, I’m currently shooting for 300lbs. I’ve got a ways to go yet though.[/quote]
The whole ‘X’ times bodyweight concept is skewed towards lighter lifters. Just look at what the lightweights are squatting, pressing and pulling compared to superheavyweights.
As for the deadlift specifically, I pulled my PR 410 at 195… now I’m 204 and although my bench and squat have gone up, my deadlift hasn’t.
I think carrying any excess weight is detrimental to the deadlift.
Good luck on the road to 300… if you haven’t started board pressing yet, do so immediately. It will help your bench grow in leaps and bounds.
Vroom,
Nice job on the deads!! I see you finally listened to all those people telling you to “hit the gym”.
Now, if you can only listen to those telling you to get a tan…
Seriously, nice work.
aggro-iron, you mention added weight doesn’t help the deadlift like the squat and bench. This is true, but people need to keep in mind this only becomes an issue for the very large lifters. Going from 195-204 should only help all of your lifts and strength. The larger gut of SHW lifters makes leverages worse for a pull, but the majority of us need not worry.
Great job Vroom!
How do you or any of you other guys incorporate rack pulls in to your workouts? Do you replace deadlifts with them or do you add them in on another day, etc. I’m doing a CW 3 day a week full body plan now and have been wanting to add in rack pulls. Should I replace deads with them for a while or replace a posterior chain excersise on another day with them?
Chief, I’ll tell you what I’m doing, whether or not it is a good idea is another thing…
I alternate deads and squats on a M/W/F schedule. So, one week I do two sessions of deads and the next I do one session.
Recently, I’ve been alternating between deads and rack pulls on deads day.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Alright.
That damned weight had eluded me a couple of times recently, but the bitch and all four of her wheels came off the floor tonight!
So, one major milestone down. Next to fall will probably be my initial bench goal, as I’ve been getting some PR’s in that area too.
Damn, progress feels good… now if Carbolin 19 makes it across the border and helps me lean out a little, I’ll be in heaven.
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V…good job my man! Proud of you…just stay focused and your bench and squat will come along just fine bro!
Nice work Vroomie! Feels awesome to achieve something you’ve been working so hard at for so long. Good luck with your bench, I’m sure it’ll fall to you in no time!
The 2x body weight is definitely skewed. At 160 I would only have to pull 320.I should be in the four wheeler club in about a month.
On the other hand, a guy I lift with is a lean 190 and he is pulling 605.
He’s definitely strong.
It seems there is a very high limit to what a person at just about any weight can deadlift
And - Good job Vroom, you realy have made some great progress.Your perseverence is impressive.
DAMN better late than never I suppose Great Pull vroom.
Keep up the progress and go for that Bench PR
Good job Vroom.
Do you ever have any issues with tendonitis in your pulling. This is the thing that is really slowing me down. I was doing rack pulls with 335 last month and felt I could have gone heavier but my right elbow felt like the tendon was ready to go so I have backed off for awhile.
Did deads for reps at 225 last week and it didn’t feel too bad, but when I start get heavy, man, it starts screaming. May have to go the glucosamine route with these old joints. I’m just so bad at using supps - always forget to take them.
Good job Vroom, I knew you had it in you. 5 plates is not too far behind.
The 2BW pull is strong. You guys also need to take in consideration that people have different body types. For example I am just shy of 5’10 and I have 34 inch arms. I would consider myself to have the perfect body to deadlift. I pulled over twice my bodyweight before I benched just my bodyweight. Now a 3BW pull is exceptionally strong and that will be pulled this year in competition and raw. For rack pulls I only use them to strengthen my grip(hook) and upper back. I usually do them from knee height. Any lower than that and you might as well pull from the floor 
[quote]gojira wrote:
Do you ever have any issues with tendonitis in your pulling. This is the thing that is really slowing me down. [/quote]
I have the same problem. I find that wearing neoprene elbow sleeves keep your elbows nice and warm. Since I started wearing them I don’t have any problems during training, Just after 
Gojira, I sometimes feel my elbows a bit, but it seems for me that it is in relation to pushing heavy on the bench or doing a lot of chin days without taking appropriate back off time.
I am taking glucosamine, although I sort of forget to take this supplement a fair amount since usually I don’t have any twinges to remind me to keep taking it.
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By the way, thanks a lot for the encouragement everyone, I appreciate it!