Racist Pick-up Truck?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]orion wrote:

You must defent freedom of speech for the fringes of public opinion because only those need protection.

To “just restrict it a little bit” effectively kills it entirely because those things we all believe in are not controversial.

Therefore to kill freedom of speech only for those ideas that are “too far out there” kills it for all ideas for which the protection of speech actually matters.

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I completely agree with this. With freedom of speech it’s all or nothing. I don’t see how this truck can relate to yelling fire in a crowded theater. As much of an idiot this truck owner is, we need to protect his right to free speech. Just because you don’t like what someone says doesn’t make it illegal. If he wants to put “I hate niggers” on his truck so be it, this is a constitutional right.

The federalist, get your 4chan ass otta here you sick fuck.

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[quote]KyleT wrote:

Hey go fuck yourself[/quote]

Ahhhh the true spirit of PWI lives on…

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[quote]KyleT wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

You must defent freedom of speech for the fringes of public opinion because only those need protection.

To “just restrict it a little bit” effectively kills it entirely because those things we all believe in are not controversial.

Therefore to kill freedom of speech only for those ideas that are “too far out there” kills it for all ideas for which the protection of speech actually matters.

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I completely agree with this. With freedom of speech it’s all or nothing. I don’t see how this truck can relate to yelling fire in a crowded theater. As much of an idiot this truck owner is, we need to protect his right to free speech. Just because you don’t like what someone says doesn’t make it illegal. If he wants to put “I hate niggers” on his truck so be it, this is a constitutional right.

The federalist, get your 4chan ass otta here you sick fuck.[/quote]

Ok. So, lets say this guy drives this truck, and a few muslims see it, and decide it would look better gently altered with a few baseball bats, and, for good measure, so would his head.

Would you say that those muslims should get a stricter sentence than they would had they simply randomly attacked someones car/person? How would you see the art on the back of his truck affecting the situation?

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Now, I have to ask everybody to do me a favor and try to keep this discussion within actual real reality. Please, no comments like “Well, putting an American flag on my car could anger someone who hates America! Therefore, since anything could be seen as offensive, it doesn’t matter how offensive something is!!”

In reality, a show of national pride like a flag or “Proud to be American” is nowhere near something like the back of this truck.

Thanks in advance.[/quote]

Do we have freedom of speech to protect ideas that we all agree on?

No we dont.

Either we defend it on the fringes or it does not matter any longer whether we defend it any longer because main stream opinions do not need protection.

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I’m sorry, I don’t mean to be rude, but I don’t exactly follow what you mean here.
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You must defent freedom of speech for the fringes of public opinion because only those need protection.

To “just restrict it a little bit” effectively kills it entirely because those things we all believe in are not controversial.

Therefore to kill freedom of speech only for those ideas that are “too far out there” kills it for all ideas for which the protection of speech actually matters.

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Excellent point.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]KyleT wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

You must defent freedom of speech for the fringes of public opinion because only those need protection.

To “just restrict it a little bit” effectively kills it entirely because those things we all believe in are not controversial.

Therefore to kill freedom of speech only for those ideas that are “too far out there” kills it for all ideas for which the protection of speech actually matters.

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I completely agree with this. With freedom of speech it’s all or nothing. I don’t see how this truck can relate to yelling fire in a crowded theater. As much of an idiot this truck owner is, we need to protect his right to free speech. Just because you don’t like what someone says doesn’t make it illegal. If he wants to put “I hate niggers” on his truck so be it, this is a constitutional right.

The federalist, get your 4chan ass otta here you sick fuck.[/quote]

Ok. So, lets say this guy drives this truck, and a few muslims see it, and decide it would look better gently altered with a few baseball bats, and, for good measure, so would his head.

Would you say that those muslims should get a stricter sentence than they would had they simply randomly attacked someones car/person? How would you see the art on the back of his truck affecting the situation?
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I would say then, that free speech is self-correcting. Now, the actual wrong would have been commited by the people who vandalized the truck and assaulted him.

And no, they should not receive any kind of stricter sentence. Vandalism is vandalism. Assault is assault.

I mean seriously, if somebody really painted “I Hate Niggers” on the back of his truck, that truck would not be around for very long, or he lives in an area where it doesn’t really matter, anyway.

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for the lulz!!!

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Awesome where can I get one for my truck?

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Honestly, I’m just forced to wonder what the reaction would be if the truck had a picture of klansmen lynching someone, with the words “All I need to know about whites I learned in Mississippi.” Or a picture of those “god hates fags” protesters with the words “All I need to know about christians I learned at a soldiers funeral.”

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]KyleT wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

You must defent freedom of speech for the fringes of public opinion because only those need protection.

To “just restrict it a little bit” effectively kills it entirely because those things we all believe in are not controversial.

Therefore to kill freedom of speech only for those ideas that are “too far out there” kills it for all ideas for which the protection of speech actually matters.

[/quote]

I completely agree with this. With freedom of speech it’s all or nothing. I don’t see how this truck can relate to yelling fire in a crowded theater. As much of an idiot this truck owner is, we need to protect his right to free speech. Just because you don’t like what someone says doesn’t make it illegal. If he wants to put “I hate niggers” on his truck so be it, this is a constitutional right.

The federalist, get your 4chan ass otta here you sick fuck.[/quote]

Ok. So, lets say this guy drives this truck, and a few muslims see it, and decide it would look better gently altered with a few baseball bats, and, for good measure, so would his head.

Would you say that those muslims should get a stricter sentence than they would had they simply randomly attacked someones car/person? How would you see the art on the back of his truck affecting the situation?
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I would say then, that free speech is self-correcting. Now, the actual wrong would have been commited by the people who vandalized the truck and assaulted him.

And no, they should not receive any kind of stricter sentence. Vandalism is vandalism. Assault is assault.

I mean seriously, if somebody really painted “I Hate Niggers” on the back of his truck, that truck would not be around for very long, or he lives in an area where it doesn’t really matter, anyway.

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Good points. But the fact remains, you’re right - if they painted that on the truck, it wouldn’t be around for long, i.e. they went out of their way to incite violence against them. Perhaps that should be a mitigating factor in the assault case, then?

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Obviously which ever group was targeted would get pissed.

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[quote]XF220 wrote:
Obviously which ever group was targeted would get pissed.[/quote]

Sorry, your first post on this thread makes you irrelevant. The truck is a stupid, bigoted, ignorant statement and calling it awesome and saying you want one trivializes anything else you have to say.

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In your irrelevant opinion.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

Ok. So, lets say this guy drives this truck, and a few muslims see it, and decide it would look better gently altered with a few baseball bats, and, for good measure, so would his head.

Would you say that those muslims should get a stricter sentence than they would had they simply randomly attacked someones car/person? How would you see the art on the back of his truck affecting the situation?
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What’s the problem? I see some vandalism and assault charges for sure, possibly murder. If it was murder, than the idiot brought it on himself. I don’t see why the muslims would get a stricter sentence.

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Anybody else notice the truck is in a handicapped spot. No tag on the plate either. Go figure…an asshole drives that truck.

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Islam is not a race. Therefore, this truck cannot be “racist”. Besides, I don’t think machines can be racist.

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[quote]Scuba19 wrote:
Islam is not a race. Therefore, this truck cannot be “racist”. Besides, I don’t think machines can be racist.[/quote]

So, what is it then? Is it offensive for the sake of being offensive?

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[quote]Scuba19 wrote:
Islam is not a race. Therefore, this truck cannot be “racist”. Besides, I don’t think machines can be racist.[/quote]

I’m Christian and some people are being racist towards us on two different threads! Racist, I tell ya!

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[quote]archiewhittaker wrote:

[quote]Scuba19 wrote:
Islam is not a race. Therefore, this truck cannot be “racist”. Besides, I don’t think machines can be racist.[/quote]

So, what is it then? Is it offensive for the sake of being offensive?[/quote]

I don’t know. What would we consider an anti-Nazism truck? Zing!

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I think it should be illegal to speak out aginst the government because that may or not make peole feel threatened or uncomfortable.

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The human race is fucked.