Racial Rantings and Baseball

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]spurlock wrote:
We sure didn’t see any racism during Katrina did we? Or was that another case of bo fuck Missouri residents goin’ nuts?

And before you start in with some regurgitated, T.V.-fed, half-cocked, bullshit thought…

What I’m referring to is the activity AFTER the goddamn hurricane that was extremely revealing. We sure have come a long way since the days of slavery haven’t we?

But hey, as long as we have consistent power, food and i-phones…there’s no need to worry about the CONSTANT and UNENDING racial tensions present in this country.

And that’s just the white/black racial connection.

How about our government’s war against the Mexicans? Yeah…that’s pretty apparent (even while getting your third b.j. of the night from some random, Paris Hilton-sunglasses-wearing, lost, over-compensating, Daddy-issues-sporting, retarded, pathetic, business student).

And let’s not forget our country’s absolute (and ignorant) racism towards the Arab culture…

You see, while you’ve been “learning” in your pseudo-Ivy-league, fantasy land, LIFE is actually happening…And (gasp) many times it doesn’t go down exactly the way Satan’s dream box and his eternal cocksucking slave Matt Lower claims that it does.

My advice to you:

Turn off your fuckin’ T.V…
Stop believing everything your liberal, bleeding-hearted, myopic, lemming-like ‘professors’ shovel into your vacuous head…
Read something other than Maxim, Men’s Health and your local newpaper…
Take a trip around the country to places that have less than a five star rating on travelocity…
Stop believing that your perceptions of life are shared by EVERYONE…
Get a construction job down there (are you fuckin’ kiddin’ me, you’re going to tell me there is no racism and you live (and hopefully work) IN FUCKING TEXAS!!!)
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Thank you,
Good Night
(this rant brought to you, in part, by Spike)[/quote]

Linking Katrina to racism is nothing but assuming the worst without any fact to back it. Please show verifiable proof that racism was involved in the “post hurricane activity”. what i saw was an immense amount of gov’t aid helping victims of all races, an influx of NO residents to houston (as well as many other cities) who fit right in, found jobs and new homes and still received federal aid as well as aid from relief groups in the private sector helping as best they could. How is that racism?

Blow that off as a “tv response” if you’d like, but to be credible prove that stuff didn’t happen, because it is real even if reporters reported it.

the rest of your post is pretty crazy and out there. Our gov’t is not at war with mexicans, it is at war with the issue of ILLEGAL immigration. Totally different even if it concerns members of the mexican nationality group.

You’ll have to explain what blow jobs and paris hilton have to do with immigration. I must say i’m at a loss.

and what do college, slavery, satan, cock sucking and matt Lowery have anything to do with anything?

Jesus. Take some xanex, ignore the voices in your head and see a psychologist about that schizophrenia before you kill any one.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Pat36 Your confusing. You want this conversation to be about how Sheffield is a racist asshole. You call him one but you don’t state the racist things that he said or did? The fact that he said Jeter was half black makes him racist? Or the fact that he felt disrepected by the way Torre handled black players versus white players? Are you saying he should be happy Torre did that or that he is just lying and Torre didn’t?

Texasguy you really shouldn’t talk about something not existing if you have no clue what it is. If I recall correctly your from the state where the 2 biggest hate crimes in the last 5 years happened, so for you to say racism doesn’t exist is insane.

Yes I can go to the same water fountain as you. But there are other forms or racism. Such as me and you both go to Harvard both go for the same job interview. Except when I say I went to Harvard the immediate reaction is he’s lying, he played sports, or he got in because he was a minority he’s really an idiot.

Better yet since you say Blacks get to go to the same schools; Please next year look at any D1 NCAA game. Look at the basketball court take note of the percentage of black people on the court, then look into the stands and take note of that percentage, then tell me its equal. [/quote]
air guy, re-read the thread. nobody has racism doesn’t exist. Until you are onboard, the rest of your post doesn’t mean much.

but to humor it, most people do not think you are lying if you tell them you graduated from harvard, unless you are driving a 1985 cadillac in need of a bad paint job, you are wearing second hand over sized clothing and you use ebonics.

People don’t believe whites who say they went to harvard either when they drive 1985 cadillacs in need of bad paint jobs, wear oversized hand me downs or speak with rural, deep south vernacular.

Regardless of race, people would believe you if you drove a mercedes, wore custom fitting suits and spoke intelligently.

Race isn’t the issue at all.

By looking in to the stands, you prove only that blacks are minorities. This is fact. There are less blacks than whites in the US, and comparing straight numbers will show this.

Take 100 marbles. 70 red, 30 blue.

any way you look at it, there will be more red marbles than blue. Unless you have an exception such as athletics. Blacks have been shown to be more athletic, so on the court you will see more blacks than whites.

How racist. (sarcasm)

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Many people of all colors make it out of poverty and into respectable jobs and beyond
by working hard and going WITH the system instead of fighting against it.
[/quote]

BULLSHIT!!

This proves to me you know nothing about poverty or struggling in life. Poverty isn’t a made-for-tv movie. It’s an everyday struggle that consumes people. It’s fucking hard to get out of poverty. It takes more that work and a can-do attitude. Most people never make it out of the lower class. And for the families that do make it out it usually takes a few generations.

Sure some people move up the social ladder and there are even a few rags to riches stories out there, but the fact is most people born into poverty die poor.

Yeah, there are programs out there for food and medical and education, but these programs only do so much. Hell, I was almost 30 before I even knew I could get free money for college. Wait – forget college.

Tell the starving 5th grader that if he does real well in school he, too, can make it into college. Yeah, it’s real easy to learn multiplication when the only thing you have eaten is a bowl of oatmeal from WIC.

“Many people of all colors make it out of poverty and into respectable jobs and beyond
by working hard”

What a fucking joke. Get a clue before you spit some bullshit like that again.

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[quote]malonetd wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:

To revisit this post, if you are going to try to dismantle my argument with the philosophy that i’m using absolute terms and though racism exists, i’d like to remind you that racism, however insignificant in the grand scheme of things today is, is on both sides, making us equal.

Against my better judgement, I will bite on this and see if you can actually use logic and follow and debate.

You claim racism exists on both sides – I agree. (As a side note, I use the term “both sides” because you did. Doing so I assume you mean black and white.) But remember that whites are the majority in this country. So even if the amount of racism is equal by percentage of the population, the racism is going to be heavier on the white side by pure numbers.

Also, whites hold the vast majority of power positions in this country, thus meaning white racism will be more oppressing and have a greater effect on the black population.[/quote]

Nice attempt at a flip.

You have posted a logical response finally. good job.

Your vague statistical analysis is also correct. There are more whites than blacks, latinos, asian, eurasian etc in america.

Your assumption that more whites = more racism is possibly statistically incorrect. It is only an assumption with no proof.

To show that your assumption means anything, you would have to conduct polls of all races to find their racist leanings, compile the information statistically and come up with numerical fact.

There are many social repercussions of previous but now non existent white oppression, falsely perceived racism etc that cause “reverse racism” possibly in greater numbers than anglo racism statistically. You need to factor in variables before you make a “factual” statement.

You did respond logically and kudos for that. But maybe i should be more specific and ask you to respond logically with factual information backing your logic. Not assumptions.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Pat36 Your confusing. You want this conversation to be about how Sheffield is a racist asshole. You call him one but you don’t state the racist things that he said or did? The fact that he said Jeter was half black makes him racist? Or the fact that he felt disrepected by the way Torre handled black players versus white players? Are you saying he should be happy Torre did that or that he is just lying and Torre didn’t?

[/quote]

Here are the quotes from and the lame sugar coating of it:
[i]"In the June, 2007 issue of GQ Magazine, Sheffield (a Detroit Tiger at the time) was quoted saying that there are more Latin baseball players than black players because Latinos are easier to control.

�??What I called is that you�??re going to see more black faces, but there ain�??t no English going to be coming out. … (It�??s about) being able to tell (Latin players) what to do �?? being able to control them,�?? he told the magazine. �??Where I�??m from, you can�??t control us.�?? He went on to elaborate, "They have more to lose than we do. You can send them back across the island. You can�??t send us back. We�??re already here.�??[2][/i]

In one fell swoop he call Latin players sheep and blacks hard to work with…What an idiot considering half his teammates are Latin.
Yes, I am calling bullshit on his analysis of Torre. Perhaps he was called out because he sucked at crtical moments or loafed and played lazily like he didn’t give a shit.

There were several times in Atlanta where his lackadaisical performance deserved his ass riding pine. I am guessing Bobby didn’t bench him because he did not want to be called a racist. I think his batting average during the playoffs in Atlanta was like .098, and then he ran off to New York to get paid.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:

Bill Cosby has it right. I encourage you to read what this stellar entertainer and black leader has to say about why black people are having a difficult time rising in our society. I’ll give you a clue, it’s not largely about racism.

You along with many in the black community should really stop listening to racist like Sharpton and Jackson.
[/quote]

Totally disagree. I agree with whoever said that being born into poverty will cause people to act certian ways.

I’ve read plenty of times what Bill Cosby has said, and it makes no sense to the black population at all. He is an 80 year old out of touch with majority of black population. Anybody here that thinks money doesn’t get to your head is ignorant of money and its power.

Fact is while crack tore apart many families and communities, the black population hadn’t recovered from slavery by time it came around. The community was not rich enough culturally or financially to overcome the power of drugs.

There are opportunities for all races to succeed that is not what helps a POPULATION of people. You can not rule on the basis of exceptions. Bill Cosby is an exception smarter than average, with the perfect opportunity of luck,skill, and family. I do not expect every white man to become Bill Gates, do not expect every black kid who plays basketball and shoot 300 jump shots a day to be Michael Jordan, or every japanese kid who studies to get a 1600 on his SAT’s.

To the every day man white, black, and others the overall view of the average black person is athletic, entertaining, imbecil. This is where racism comes in, because now you combine low expectation, no money, and horrible education your asking for a criminal.

There are wealthier black communities, and the first thing you’ll notice is less crime. In poorer white communities there is more crime, you can not say there is no relation.

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[quote]malonetd wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Many people of all colors make it out of poverty and into respectable jobs and beyond
by working hard and going WITH the system instead of fighting against it.

BULLSHIT!!

This proves to me you know nothing about poverty or struggling in life. Poverty isn’t a made-for-tv movie. It’s an everyday struggle that consumes people. It’s fucking hard to get out of poverty. It takes more that work and a can-do attitude. Most people never make it out of the lower class. And for the families that do make it out it usually takes a few generations.

Sure some people move up the social ladder and there are even a few rags to riches stories out there, but the fact is most people born into poverty die poor.

Yeah, there are programs out there for food and medical and education, but these programs only do so much. Hell, I was almost 30 before I even knew I could get free money for college. Wait – forget college.

Tell the starving 5th grader that if he does real well in school he, too, can make it into college. Yeah, it’s real easy to learn multiplication when the only thing you have eaten is a bowl of oatmeal from WIC.

“Many people of all colors make it out of poverty and into respectable jobs and beyond
by working hard”

What a fucking joke. Get a clue before you spit some bullshit like that again.[/quote]
I can agree that poverty is a disease many people are born with.

It is definately more difficult for people born in to poverty to become independently, financially successful.

While the rich kid goes to school with no other concern than studying, the poverty stricken kid worries more about work, food, helping to support his family etc.

Fortunately, with enough work, people can work out of poverty. If they can set their mind to working, finishing school and obtaining grants and financial aid (both readily available to poverty stricken kids) they can finally go to college and basically finance life until graduation, when they will be middle class and can afford their delayed payments plus life.

It is much harder for a poor kid to do this than a rich kid, but is possible in our non racist, help everyone society.

Unfortunately, some people are born in to greater hardships than others.

Fortunately, there is a way out today that didn’t exist yesterday. Hard work and racial equality carry the bulk of the change.

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[quote]pat36 wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
Pat36 Your confusing. You want this conversation to be about how Sheffield is a racist asshole. You call him one but you don’t state the racist things that he said or did? The fact that he said Jeter was half black makes him racist? Or the fact that he felt disrepected by the way Torre handled black players versus white players? Are you saying he should be happy Torre did that or that he is just lying and Torre didn’t?

Here are the quotes from and the lame sugar coating of it:
[i]"In the June, 2007 issue of GQ Magazine, Sheffield (a Detroit Tiger at the time) was quoted saying that there are more Latin baseball players than black players because Latinos are easier to control.

�??What I called is that you�??re going to see more black faces, but there ain�??t no English going to be coming out. … (It�??s about) being able to tell (Latin players) what to do �?? being able to control them,�?? he told the magazine. �??Where I�??m from, you can�??t control us.�?? He went on to elaborate, "They have more to lose than we do. You can send them back across the island. You can�??t send us back. We�??re already here.�??[2][/i]

In one fell swoop he call Latin players sheep and blacks hard to work with…What an idiot considering half his teammates are Latin.
Yes, I am calling bullshit on his analysis of Torre. Perhaps he was called out because he sucked at crtical moments or loafed and played lazily like he didn’t give a shit.

There were several times in Atlanta where his lackadaisical performance deserved his ass riding pine. I am guessing Bobby didn’t bench him because he did not want to be called a racist. I think his batting average during the playoffs in Atlanta was like .098, and then he ran off to New York to get paid.
[/quote]

lolol Okay I watched his interview last night and kind of enjoyed it, but the one you just quoted from GQ was pretty stupid and assholish. It might be racist but it seems more stupid related then racial. He might be hypersensative to race anyway specially being in baseball as I’ve heard numerous accounts of minor league black baseball players and their disgust with baseball’s racial overtones.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Mick28 wrote:

Bill Cosby has it right. I encourage you to read what this stellar entertainer and black leader has to say about why black people are having a difficult time rising in our society. I’ll give you a clue, it’s not largely about racism.

You along with many in the black community should really stop listening to racist like Sharpton and Jackson.

Totally disagree. I agree with whoever said that being born into poverty will cause people to act certian ways.

I’ve read plenty of times what Bill Cosby has said, and it makes no sense to the black population at all. He is an 80 year old out of touch with majority of black population. Anybody here that thinks money doesn’t get to your head is ignorant of money and its power.

Fact is while crack tore apart many families and communities, the black population hadn’t recovered from slavery by time it came around. The community was not rich enough culturally or financially to overcome the power of drugs.

There are opportunities for all races to succeed that is not what helps a POPULATION of people. You can not rule on the basis of exceptions. Bill Cosby is an exception smarter than average, with the perfect opportunity of luck,skill, and family. I do not expect every white man to become Bill Gates, do not expect every black kid who plays basketball and shoot 300 jump shots a day to be Michael Jordan, or every japanese kid who studies to get a 1600 on his SAT’s.

To the every day man white, black, and others the overall view of the average black person is athletic, entertaining, imbecil. This is where racism comes in, because now you combine low expectation, no money, and horrible education your asking for a criminal.

There are wealthier black communities, and the first thing you’ll notice is less crime. In poorer white communities there is more crime, you can not say there is no relation.[/quote]

Bill Cosby lived through the social ramifications of the civil rights war that people with out a real clue love to quote now.

That is all.

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[quote]texasguy1 wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
Pat36 Your confusing. You want this conversation to be about how Sheffield is a racist asshole. You call him one but you don’t state the racist things that he said or did? The fact that he said Jeter was half black makes him racist? Or the fact that he felt disrepected by the way Torre handled black players versus white players? Are you saying he should be happy Torre did that or that he is just lying and Torre didn’t?

Texasguy you really shouldn’t talk about something not existing if you have no clue what it is. If I recall correctly your from the state where the 2 biggest hate crimes in the last 5 years happened, so for you to say racism doesn’t exist is insane.

Yes I can go to the same water fountain as you. But there are other forms or racism. Such as me and you both go to Harvard both go for the same job interview. Except when I say I went to Harvard the immediate reaction is he’s lying, he played sports, or he got in because he was a minority he’s really an idiot.

Better yet since you say Blacks get to go to the same schools; Please next year look at any D1 NCAA game. Look at the basketball court take note of the percentage of black people on the court, then look into the stands and take note of that percentage, then tell me its equal.

air guy, re-read the thread. nobody has racism doesn’t exist. Until you are onboard, the rest of your post doesn’t mean much. [/quote]

It’s funny you can say nobody is saying racism doesn’t exist in one post, and 2 post later say “It is much harder for a poor kid to do this than a rich kid, but is possible in our non racist, help everyone society.”

Is this Texas english? where “non racist” means racism exists?

lol Talk about my post don’t mean much.

Who mentioned cadillacs? this must be an attempt at humor, i think the non racist society = racism exist joke was funnier.

Blacks make up 5 - 10% of the American population. Yet actual numbers in college amount to 2 - 3 % take away athletes and your talking about .5 - 1% if that.

Now that you’ve learned how to count marbles. Take 48 red marbles and 2 blue marbles put them in a can called Texas U. Guess its still the same because theres more red marbles? Your right what was I thinking.

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Just skimmed the thread, so forgive me if this has been covered, but a thought:

how about some black members on this board speak up about whether or not they encounter racism in their day-to-day lives? You know, as opposed to a couple white people speaking on their behalf. Any Middle Eastern members?

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[quote]texasguy1 wrote:
malonetd wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:

To revisit this post, if you are going to try to dismantle my argument with the philosophy that i’m using absolute terms and though racism exists, i’d like to remind you that racism, however insignificant in the grand scheme of things today is, is on both sides, making us equal.

Against my better judgement, I will bite on this and see if you can actually use logic and follow and debate.

You claim racism exists on both sides – I agree. (As a side note, I use the term “both sides” because you did. Doing so I assume you mean black and white.) But remember that whites are the majority in this country. So even if the amount of racism is equal by percentage of the population, the racism is going to be heavier on the white side by pure numbers.

Also, whites hold the vast majority of power positions in this country, thus meaning white racism will be more oppressing and have a greater effect on the black population.

Nice attempt at a flip.

You have posted a logical response finally. good job.

Your vague statistical analysis is also correct. There are more whites than blacks, latinos, asian, eurasian etc in america.

Your assumption that more whites = more racism is possibly statistically incorrect. It is only an assumption with no proof.

To show that your assumption means anything, you would have to conduct polls of all races to find their racist leanings, compile the information statistically and come up with numerical fact.

There are many social repercussions of previous but now non existent white oppression, falsely perceived racism etc that cause “reverse racism” possibly in greater numbers than anglo racism statistically. You need to factor in variables before you make a “factual” statement.

You did respond logically and kudos for that. But maybe i should be more specific and ask you to respond logically with factual information backing your logic. Not assumptions.
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I give up. You apparently have no idea what a “fact” is. Here are the “facts” you have given me:

True, but just because a program or opportunity exists doesn’t mean it is being utilized or even known about.

[quote]
Not one credible place of employment cares about race. Maybe mom and pop retail stores in bo fuck missouri, but who really aspires to work there?

[/quote]Not a fact. Neither one of us can prove this in either direction. All I can say is if this were true, why is there still a need for the EEOC?

[quote]
If you really think a handful of back woods rednecks holds down an entire race you are kidding yourself.

It’s not the twenties where 70 % of a towns police department, mayor, judge and state senators are white supremacists. [/quote]

Maybe not overtly, but again this is not a fact. You can’t prove this. It may not be 70%, but you’re kidding yourself if you don’t think many of these people don’t have racial leanings.

[quote]
Schools are not close to particular races, we can all drink from the same water fountains, sit in the same bus seats…[/quote]

Finally a fact! Too bad this is the best you can do. Don’t bother responding, kid, you have proven your ignorance.

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[quote]conner wrote:
Just skimmed the thread, so forgive me if this has been covered, but a thought:

how about some black members on this board speak up about whether or not they encounter racism in their day-to-day lives? You know, as opposed to a couple white people speaking on their behalf. Any Middle Eastern members?[/quote]

It wouldn’t matter. The posters in here already have their mind made up and either wouldn’t believe it or would just discredit what they say.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
malonetd wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Many people of all colors make it out of poverty and into respectable jobs and beyond
by working hard and going WITH the system instead of fighting against it.

BULLSHIT!!

This proves to me you know nothing about poverty or struggling in life. Poverty isn’t a made-for-tv movie. It’s an everyday struggle that consumes people. It’s fucking hard to get out of poverty. It takes more that work and a can-do attitude. Most people never make it out of the lower class. And for the families that do make it out it usually takes a few generations.

I never said that it was easy.[/quote]

You sure made it sound easy![quote]

But, it can be done, and in fact is done by many every year. I should know because I was raised in a very poor family. I’ve done it and others have too. [/quote]

HA! I knew this was coming.

[quote]
But, since your claim is correct, that it is difficult, are you suggesting that people stop trying? That sort of smacks of elitism. If you are not born into wealth you cannot achieve it? Or, at the very least make a reasonable living for yourself?[/quote]

I’m not claiming people don’t try. I’m just trying to explain to clueless kid like you that it’s not as easy as you think. It doesn’t really happen to “many people.” The truth is, no matter how hard people work, they might never make it out.

[quote]
And, does this shitty attitude of yours also condone a criminal mentality since it’s “difficult” to work your way out of poverty?[/quote]

I already answered this, but apparently reading isn’t your strong point.

[quote]
I think you’re smarter than that. At least I hope you are.

Hey, what’s the point of lifting weights to get bigger and stronger if you were born with a small frame?

Your attitude needs readjusting.

Tell the starving 5th grader that if he does real well in school he, too, can make it into college. Yeah, it’s real easy to learn multiplication when the only thing you have eaten is a bowl of oatmeal from WIC.

You need to get a clue, granted there are some children that just may fall between the cracks. But, there are very few “starving” kids in America today. There are federal programs, state programs, county, city and independent charity programs which do what many worthless parents do not do, and that’s feed their children.[/quote]

I know about the programs, dumbass. You see, I really did grow up poor. I got free lunch from school. My family was on WIC, AFDC, etc, etc. It only does so much. What do I eat for lunch during the summer when school is out? What do I do at the end of the month when the WIC checks are all gone?

And bringing up worthless parents makes no sense. What – do you expect a 10-year-old to get government aid all by himself?

[quote]
If you want to see poverty I’ll show you several countries where people do actually starve. [/quote]

You don’t need to, I live in one.[quote]

“Many people of all colors make it out of poverty and into respectable jobs and beyond
by working hard”

What a fucking joke. Get a clue before you spit some bullshit like that again.

Many people of all colors DO NOT make it our of poverty and into respectable jobs and beyond?

You might want to rethink that before I start posting links which will make you look more like the know nothing liberal that you have demonstrated on this thread.[/quote]

Oooh, post the scary links, I’m so nervous. Blah, blah, blah liberal. HA! You’re kind of funny.

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[quote]conner wrote:
Just skimmed the thread, so forgive me if this has been covered, but a thought:

how about some black members on this board speak up about whether or not they encounter racism in their day-to-day lives? You know, as opposed to a couple white people speaking on their behalf. Any Middle Eastern members?[/quote]

I am very black.

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Blacks make up 5 - 10% of the American population.
Wrong again. They make up 10% to 15% of the US population.
[/quote]

Great!! proving my point even more.

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Yet actual numbers in college amount to 2 - 3 % take away athletes and your talking about .5 - 1% if that.

Wrong again. “Minority enrollments rose by 50.7% to 4.7 million.”
[/quote]
I love how when it comes to blacks accomplishing something fancy words and numbers replace facts. Ever wonder why studied minority enrollment versus minority percentage of population? Second where talking black? not minority. Third, they lie.

Now understandably you may want to argue the lie part. However, while I was at Vanderbilt they stated they had 5000 students and something crazy like 15% black. HA. In my class their were about 65 black students. Thats assuming there were about 20 more black students than ANYBODY on campus ever seen. The population is small enough that we knew all whether they hung out withother black students or not. That amounted to far less than the 15% they advertised.

This goes on at tons of D1 NCAA A football and basketball schools.

The actual percentage of black students in college period is supposedly 19% in the United States, and I’m sure more than 50% of them are in Black Colleges.