Racial Rantings and Baseball

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]rainjack wrote:
You said there is no racism except in rare instances in the white trash sections of society.

I say you are wrong. You say prove it. I say there is no proof because it is a silent crime.

Your limited life experience, and you limited intelligence makes you speak from utter ignorance.

Need proof of that? Check your post history - You have not contributed a single thing to this site since you joined.

Every time you open your mouth you brag. I am just connecting the dots.

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apparently you don’t read too many posts.

Many posts of mine have challenged topics at hand, asked for proof and logic yes. Most people retreat to your above method of trying to derail the conversation with ridiculous jabs. So why not reply in with same? Look at the general list. a few on it are named “harry potter is jacked”, “chris leben is a punk”, “i hate 150lbers”… come on. if you take that shit seriously you have more issues than your washer slamming temper.

many people have emailed with questions over supplement and training posts too, have taken my advice and have reported results. you probably missed those posts though because you couldn’t be bitter about them.

In fact, here i have posted quantifiable measurements of the reduction of racisms impact on society.

Now you hide behind obscure “invisible crime” bullshit and assume that makes you intelligent? then try to derail the topic with more flaming.

a perfect point.

You also assume i have limited life experience? what life experience? being in need financially? you are right yet i’m not embarrassed or ashamed of that. sorry. The rest? i have the same as most anybody within a few years of my age if not more due to opportunities i was inherently born with.

You think you are making good points, but you really sound more and more bitter and deranged with each post you make that strays off topic to flame me. and it doesn’t even bother me! hahahaha!

answer with real logic and information before you start in on another’s intelligence and experience.

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[quote]texasguy1 wrote:
In fact, here i have posted quantifiable measurements of the reduction of racisms impact on society.

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Pardon me for a moment, but all this talk of logic and quantity has piqued my interest.

Where in the hell have you posted anything that even remotely resembles anything other that a completely subjective opinion, let alone a longitudinal quantification of such a broadly reaching social institution?

In this thread?

You mean that enumerated list a few posts back?

Nice try, but not even close.

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[quote]texasguy1 wrote:
A bunch of pat-yourself-on-the-back bullshit.

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Does the EEOC still operate?

Yes? Then racism still exists.

You have no life experience. You don’t even know what the term means.

College is not real life. Living on your parents’ tit is not real life.

You have a very narrow scope in which to view the world.

Telling everyone on here that racism is dead outside the trailer parks is hardly objective proof of your point.

Your bullshit may play at the frat house - but please don’t bring it in here. Everyone knows what you are. It is evident in most every thread you post in.

If you are the only one that can tell me how great you are - then you have a few more people to convince before I will consider you anything but a piece of dogshit on the bottom of my shoe.

And according to the majority of the people that have wasted their time to respond to anything you have to say - not including me - they smell thatsame stench of fresh dogshit every time you post.

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Texasguy… if you can, check out a book titled “White Like Me” by Tim Wise. Its a good read.

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[quote]Shively wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
It always seems strange to hear about such blatant racism in high profile arenas. For the most part, racism is long dead and contained to trailer parks in the backwoods of W. Virginia hillbilly land.

I don’t understand how people can harbor such sentiment. I get the general dislike of particular stereotypes (“gangster”, skater kids, pot heads etc) as one identifies traits he doesn’t like in many group members, but to hate people due to their skin color just seems so stupid, especially with such world exposure a millionaire, professional athlete must have.

I’m from Houston and never sensed much racism. Actually, minorities were more racist than Anglos. Latinos and blacks seem to have it out for each other down there and they both hate whites. I have never understood that either. The older generations would be ok in that i guess as they lived here pre-civil rights, but everyone truly is equal now.

Why the hate?

I do go to College in a relatively small texas town. There seems to be a constant social battle between the largely city born students and local rednecks who still live in 1850.

A cemetary here has confederate flags flying at Civil War veteran graves and this is supported by the city. While the history is very interesting indeed, it seems a little off color.

We also recently had a Ku Klux Klan demonstration. It was really funny to see. The klan didn’t even wear their masks and costumes and most were just fat ass trailer park trash surviving on social security checks while bitching about minorities doing the same.

The logic just escapes me.

Wow do I need to throw some corrections your way. First off it may be Political cowardice or your own personal experience but lets fix some things. First off the FAIR media is JUST now getting to listing black on white hate crime which it was afraid to do. People are not fooled but sure were cowed into never saying that blacks are just as raciest as whites. With exception to the ones who do not practice hate on both sides.

2nd off you have red necks living off goverment hand outs just like you have gang banger gehtto scum living off goverment hand outs. You have whites using meth, drinking, pot and you have blacks using crack, drinking and pot.

You have the malcom X symbol of hate ( to whites ) and the rebel flag symbol of hate to blacks…

Or is that so? Most left leaning whites will talk smack about the old stars and bars while not mentioning the malcome X symbol and vice versa with the rebel flag and conservative.

Look, in all fairness the confederate flag means a whole lot of things. Historicaly it stood for states rights to govern themselves. Many whites and blacks fought willingly and died on both sides. I have that tattoo on my arm in remembrance of my dad. I’m also getting married to a Japanese girl and will be the first to talk shit to any KKK or nazi about waving that flag arround.

I’ll also be the first to openly address black on white hate crime and the under reporting of it… Its time to address BOTH sides of the issue, not just blame whitey and make excuses for blacky. [/quote]

My Spidey Sense is tingling…it’s telling me…you wear long sleeves during your field trips to Harlem.

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[quote]texasguy1 wrote:
escot4 wrote:
Try checking out conviction/arrest rates among different ethnicities as well as the makeup of the prison populations in the U.S. That stuff is strong evidence that things are not “truly equal now.”

That doesn’t prove anything but that certain individuals made poor decisions. “The Man” didn’t force criminals in to selling crack, joining violent gangs, embezzling money from fortune 500 companies or anything else.

A vast majority of serial killers and “white collar criminals” are white. Does that equate to racism? following your logic, white serial killers seem to be unfairly convicted while black serial killers get a free pass. There are plenty of minorities in management positions yet they don’t seem to be getting arrested as often as whites for white collar crimes. How racist.

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There’s really no point in arguing with you. It wouldn’t matter what points anybody made about this because your mind is already completely closed to the possibility that racism still has an impact on society.

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We sure didn’t see any racism during Katrina did we? Or was that another case of bo fuck Missouri residents goin’ nuts?

And before you start in with some regurgitated, T.V.-fed, half-cocked, bullshit thought…

What I’m referring to is the activity AFTER the goddamn hurricane that was extremely revealing. We sure have come a long way since the days of slavery haven’t we?

But hey, as long as we have consistent power, food and i-phones…there’s no need to worry about the CONSTANT and UNENDING racial tensions present in this country.

And that’s just the white/black racial connection.

How about our government’s war against the Mexicans? Yeah…that’s pretty apparent (even while getting your third b.j. of the night from some random, Paris Hilton-sunglasses-wearing, lost, over-compensating, Daddy-issues-sporting, retarded, pathetic, business student).

And let’s not forget our country’s absolute (and ignorant) racism towards the Arab culture…

You see, while you’ve been “learning” in your pseudo-Ivy-league, fantasy land, LIFE is actually happening…And (gasp) many times it doesn’t go down exactly the way Satan’s dream box and his eternal cocksucking slave Matt Lower claims that it does.

My advice to you:

Turn off your fuckin’ T.V…
Stop believing everything your liberal, bleeding-hearted, myopic, lemming-like ‘professors’ shovel into your vacuous head…
Read something other than Maxim, Men’s Health and your local newpaper…
Take a trip around the country to places that have less than a five star rating on travelocity…
Stop believing that your perceptions of life are shared by EVERYONE…
Get a construction job down there (are you fuckin’ kiddin’ me, you’re going to tell me there is no racism and you live (and hopefully work) IN FUCKING TEXAS!!!)
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Thank you,
Good Night
(this rant brought to you, in part, by Spike)

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
So…are you alleging that Federal, State, County and City Police Officers across the nation are all racist.
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No, that’s actually not what I’m alleging at all. I was referring more to convictions per arrest, and the fact that there are a highly disproportionate amount of minorities in prison in the U.S. I’m not saying that they didn’t commit the crimes either.

It’s not police officers that I’m blaming. The thing is, many people are pushed towards a life of crime for various reasons including poverty, lack of options, poor schools, lack of a positive example, etc. I don’t have time to go into it much, but hopefully that clears things up somewhat.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
escot4 wrote:
Try checking out conviction/arrest rates among different ethnicities as well as the makeup of the prison populations in the U.S. That stuff is strong evidence that things are not “truly equal now.”

So…are you alleging that Federal, State, County and City Police Officers across the nation are all racist. And therefore look for black people to arrest instead of actually arresting the individual who perpetrated the crime?

Are you nuts?

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No, and I’m not him so I may be wrong, but I think he is saying that when over 2/3’s of the Black and Hispanic population is born into poverty it’s going to translate into crime.

Some just can’t resist the allure of a criminal lifestyle. For other, poverty equals hopelessness and hopelessness equals indifference – indifference towards laws and authority. Also, in many instances poverty equals lower education, and there is an obvious and direct relationship between education level and crime.

Now don’t read this wrong. I’m not excusing nor justifying the actions of any criminal. I’m just pointing out what I thought was obvious.

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[quote]malonetd wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
escot4 wrote:
Try checking out conviction/arrest rates among different ethnicities as well as the makeup of the prison populations in the U.S. That stuff is strong evidence that things are not “truly equal now.”

So…are you alleging that Federal, State, County and City Police Officers across the nation are all racist. And therefore look for black people to arrest instead of actually arresting the individual who perpetrated the crime?

Are you nuts?

No, and I’m not him so I may be wrong, but I think he is saying that when over 2/3’s of the Black and Hispanic population is born into poverty it’s going to translate into crime.

Some just can’t resist the allure of a criminal lifestyle. For other, poverty equals hopelessness and hopelessness equals indifference – indifference towards laws and authority. Also, in many instances poverty equals lower education, and there is an obvious and direct relationship between education level and crime.

Now don’t read this wrong. I’m not excusing nor justifying the actions of any criminal. I’m just pointing out what I thought was obvious.[/quote]

EDIT: I missed escot4’s post. He answered the question and it looked like we were going the same direction with it.

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Pat36 Your confusing. You want this conversation to be about how Sheffield is a racist asshole. You call him one but you don’t state the racist things that he said or did? The fact that he said Jeter was half black makes him racist? Or the fact that he felt disrepected by the way Torre handled black players versus white players? Are you saying he should be happy Torre did that or that he is just lying and Torre didn’t?

Texasguy you really shouldn’t talk about something not existing if you have no clue what it is. If I recall correctly your from the state where the 2 biggest hate crimes in the last 5 years happened, so for you to say racism doesn’t exist is insane.

Yes I can go to the same water fountain as you. But there are other forms or racism. Such as me and you both go to Harvard both go for the same job interview. Except when I say I went to Harvard the immediate reaction is he’s lying, he played sports, or he got in because he was a minority he’s really an idiot.

Better yet since you say Blacks get to go to the same schools; Please next year look at any D1 NCAA game. Look at the basketball court take note of the percentage of black people on the court, then look into the stands and take note of that percentage, then tell me its equal.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Texasguy… if you can, check out a book titled “White Like Me” by Tim Wise. Its a good read.[/quote]

Will do, I’m almost done with my summer reading list and have no problem broadening my horizens. However, when i read heavily slanted books, my bullshit meter keeps me from taking them too seriously. I have not heard of the book or the author though, and will look in to it with an open mind.

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[quote]malonetd wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
malonetd wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
The problem with racism is that people like you preserve it by continuing to make it an issue when it doesn’t have to be.

By acknowledging its existence, I’m preserving it? Huh?

By blowing its current existence out of proportion and then acting as if it is a pressing issue yes, you do preserve it.

You really aren’t that bright are you? I didn’t blow anything out of proportion. You were the one speaking in absolute terms. “Everyone truly is equal now.” Remember that.

Of course I just realized it’s pointless to debate this with a child who has no real life experiences. My mistake.[/quote]

To revisit this post, if you are going to try to dismantle my argument with the philosophy that i’m using absolute terms understand that though racism exists, i’d like to remind you that racism, however insignificant today, is on both sides, making us equal.

Sorry bro. attack the argument, not the debator. You’ll have much more credibility and may make a good point once or twice.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
A bunch of pat-yourself-on-the-back bullshit.

Does the EEOC still operate?

Yes? Then racism still exists.

You have no life experience. You don’t even know what the term means.

College is not real life. Living on your parents’ tit is not real life.

You have a very narrow scope in which to view the world.

Telling everyone on here that racism is dead outside the trailer parks is hardly objective proof of your point.

Your bullshit may play at the frat house - but please don’t bring it in here. Everyone knows what you are. It is evident in most every thread you post in.

If you are the only one that can tell me how great you are - then you have a few more people to convince before I will consider you anything but a piece of dogshit on the bottom of my shoe.

And according to the majority of the people that have wasted their time to respond to anything you have to say - not including me - they smell thatsame stench of fresh dogshit every time you post.

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More ridiculous bullshit. I still havn’t seen any intelligent post from you for the topic at hand. Only assumptions about my experiences, ridiculous rants about wasted time and dogshit and more bitterness.

In light of the retarded topics at hand on the general section, please at least try to make an intelligent remark to the one thread that might count for something.

And while you are at it, re-read the posts. Nobody has denied that racism exists. Hell, the topic started over a racist comment made by a baseball player!

The debate has turned to how much an effect racism plays in day to day life for individuals of this whole society. get on board.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
In fact, here i have posted quantifiable measurements of the reduction of racisms impact on society.

Pardon me for a moment, but all this talk of logic and quantity has piqued my interest.

Where in the hell have you posted anything that even remotely resembles anything other that a completely subjective opinion, let alone a longitudinal quantification of such a broadly reaching social institution?

In this thread?

You mean that enumerated list a few posts back?

Nice try, but not even close.
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Fact trumps all. Logic is to be desired, but can be twisted to fit virtually any argument. I’m just asking for simple fact here and have posted the same both to prove a point and to goad a similar response.

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[quote]escot4 wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
escot4 wrote:
Try checking out conviction/arrest rates among different ethnicities as well as the makeup of the prison populations in the U.S. That stuff is strong evidence that things are not “truly equal now.”

That doesn’t prove anything but that certain individuals made poor decisions. “The Man” didn’t force criminals in to selling crack, joining violent gangs, embezzling money from fortune 500 companies or anything else.

A vast majority of serial killers and “white collar criminals” are white. Does that equate to racism? following your logic, white serial killers seem to be unfairly convicted while black serial killers get a free pass. There are plenty of minorities in management positions yet they don’t seem to be getting arrested as often as whites for white collar crimes. How racist.

There’s really no point in arguing with you. It wouldn’t matter what points anybody made about this because your mind is already completely closed to the possibility that racism still has an impact on society. [/quote]

Sure there is. Make a comeback. Show me where i’m wrong. debate what i said. quit copping out as if i’m to blame for your inability to write anything intelligent back.

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[quote]escot4 wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
So…are you alleging that Federal, State, County and City Police Officers across the nation are all racist.

No, that’s actually not what I’m alleging at all. I was referring more to convictions per arrest, and the fact that there are a highly disproportionate amount of minorities in prison in the U.S. I’m not saying that they didn’t commit the crimes either.

It’s not police officers that I’m blaming. The thing is, many people are pushed towards a life of crime for various reasons including poverty, lack of options, poor schools, lack of a positive example, etc. I don’t have time to go into it much, but hopefully that clears things up somewhat.[/quote]

There are more whites on welfare and in poverty than minorities. If you are building an argument that poverty in minority groups is due to racism, don’t forget to take that tidbit in to account.

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[quote]texasguy1 wrote:

To revisit this post, if you are going to try to dismantle my argument with the philosophy that i’m using absolute terms and though racism exists, i’d like to remind you that racism, however insignificant in the grand scheme of things today is, is on both sides, making us equal.[/quote]

Against my better judgement, I will bite on this and see if you can actually use logic and follow and debate.

You claim racism exists on both sides – I agree. (As a side note, I use the term “both sides” because you did. Doing so I assume you mean black and white.) But remember that whites are the majority in this country. So even if the amount of racism is equal by percentage of the population, the racism is going to be heavier on the white side by pure numbers.

Also, whites hold the vast majority of power positions in this country, thus meaning white racism will be more oppressing and have a greater effect on the black population.