Racial Rantings and Baseball

[pat]

[quote]malonetd wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
malonetd wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
…but everyone truly is equal now.

Riiiiight.

Public school and financial aid for furthering education are available to everyone, more so to minorities with their exclusive grants and scholarships really.

Not one credible place of employment cares about race. Maybe mom and pop retail stores in bo fuck missouri, but who really aspires to work there?

If you really think a handful of back woods rednecks holds down an entire race you are kidding yourself.

It’s not the twenties where 70 % of a towns police department, mayor, judge and state senators are white supremacists.

Schools are not close to particular races, we can all drink from the same water fountains, sit in the same bus seats…

Show me where people are not equal and give me real examples. Not obscure, impossible to prove “institutionalized” bullshit.

So in just 50 years since the Civil Rights Movement everything is all better? After centuries of slavery and inequalities, all it took was a few years and a few apologies to put everyone on equal footing? If you truly believe that then I don’t know what world you live in.

One generation’s time doesn’t wipe out the lasting effects of racism and discrimination that were once legal and smiled upon. Yes, race relations has improved, but we’re a long way away from everyone being truly equal.

First off, putting race aside, no one is equal. We’re all different. Different shapes and sizes. Different strengths and weaknesses. But since I know you were referring specifically to race, this is beside the point.

The problem with racism and equality is that people like you refuse to believe it exists. You think that a little financial aid and a little affirmative action solve everything. Putting institutionalized in quotes was a dead give-away to your line of thinking.

We are not equal. The racial imbalances of 300 years of slavery still exist today.
[/quote]

I haven’t heard anybody say racism doesn’t exist. What’s as big a problem is a mega, over the top super-sensitivity about it where you can’t even say a truth about a person who happens to be minority “X” because it will be constude as racist. And that’s bullshit, Being a certain race doesn’t absolve you from sin. Besides that, it is waaay off topic, anyway.
We are discussing Gary Sheffield’s clearly racist remarks and his mispalced accusations of racisim. Not racism in general, only Gary Sheffeild.
That’s the area I’d prefer the conversation to stay in.

[texasguy1]

[quote]malonetd wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
malonetd wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
…but everyone truly is equal now.

Riiiiight.

Public school and financial aid for furthering education are available to everyone, more so to minorities with their exclusive grants and scholarships really.

Not one credible place of employment cares about race. Maybe mom and pop retail stores in bo fuck missouri, but who really aspires to work there?

If you really think a handful of back woods rednecks holds down an entire race you are kidding yourself.

It’s not the twenties where 70 % of a towns police department, mayor, judge and state senators are white supremacists.

Schools are not close to particular races, we can all drink from the same water fountains, sit in the same bus seats…

Show me where people are not equal and give me real examples. Not obscure, impossible to prove “institutionalized” bullshit.

So in just 50 years since the Civil Rights Movement everything is all better? After centuries of slavery and inequalities, all it took was a few years and a few apologies to put everyone on equal footing? If you truly believe that then I don’t know what world you live in.

One generation’s time doesn’t wipe out the lasting effects of racism and discrimination that were once legal and smiled upon. Yes, race relations has improved, but we’re a long way away from everyone being truly equal.

First off, putting race aside, no one is equal. We’re all different. Different shapes and sizes. Different strengths and weaknesses. But since I know you were referring specifically to race, this is beside the point.

The problem with racism and equality is that people like you refuse to believe it exists. You think that a little financial aid and a little affirmative action solve everything. Putting institutionalized in quotes was a dead give-away to your line of thinking.

We are not equal. The racial imbalances of 300 years of slavery still exist today.
[/quote]

The problem with racism is that people like you preserve it by continuing to make it an issue when it doesn’t have to be.

[texasguy1]

[quote]Shively wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
It always seems strange to hear about such blatant racism in high profile arenas. For the most part, racism is long dead and contained to trailer parks in the backwoods of W. Virginia hillbilly land.

I don’t understand how people can harbor such sentiment. I get the general dislike of particular stereotypes (“gangster”, skater kids, pot heads etc) as one identifies traits he doesn’t like in many group members, but to hate people due to their skin color just seems so stupid, especially with such world exposure a millionaire, professional athlete must have.

I’m from Houston and never sensed much racism. Actually, minorities were more racist than Anglos. Latinos and blacks seem to have it out for each other down there and they both hate whites. I have never understood that either. The older generations would be ok in that i guess as they lived here pre-civil rights, but everyone truly is equal now.

Why the hate?

I do go to College in a relatively small texas town. There seems to be a constant social battle between the largely city born students and local rednecks who still live in 1850.

A cemetary here has confederate flags flying at Civil War veteran graves and this is supported by the city. While the history is very interesting indeed, it seems a little off color.

We also recently had a Ku Klux Klan demonstration. It was really funny to see. The klan didn’t even wear their masks and costumes and most were just fat ass trailer park trash surviving on social security checks while bitching about minorities doing the same.

The logic just escapes me.

Wow do I need to throw some corrections your way. First off it may be Political cowardice or your own personal experience but lets fix some things. First off the FAIR media is JUST now getting to listing black on white hate crime which it was afraid to do. People are not fooled but sure were cowed into never saying that blacks are just as raciest as whites. With exception to the ones who do not practice hate on both sides.

2nd off you have red necks living off goverment hand outs just like you have gang banger gehtto scum living off goverment hand outs. You have whites using meth, drinking, pot and you have blacks using crack, drinking and pot.

You have the malcom X symbol of hate ( to whites ) and the rebel flag symbol of hate to blacks…

Or is that so? Most left leaning whites will talk smack about the old stars and bars while not mentioning the malcome X symbol and vice versa with the rebel flag and conservative.

Look, in all fairness the confederate flag means a whole lot of things. Historicaly it stood for states rights to govern themselves. Many whites and blacks fought willingly and died on both sides. I have that tattoo on my arm in remembrance of my dad. I’m also getting married to a Japanese girl and will be the first to talk shit to any KKK or nazi about waving that flag arround.

I’ll also be the first to openly address black on white hate crime and the under reporting of it… Its time to address BOTH sides of the issue, not just blame whitey and make excuses for blacky. [/quote]

i didn’t limit the issue. it is a small issue today cornered in back woods trailer parks and possibly some urban gov’t housing.

[escot4]

Try checking out conviction/arrest rates among different ethnicities as well as the makeup of the prison populations in the U.S. That stuff is strong evidence that things are not “truly equal now.”

[malonetd]

[quote]texasguy1 wrote:
The problem with racism is that people like you preserve it by continuing to make it an issue when it doesn’t have to be.
[/quote]

By acknowledging its existence, I’m preserving it? Huh?

[malonetd]

[quote]pat36 wrote:
I haven’t heard anybody say racism doesn’t exist. What’s as big a problem is a mega, over the top super-sensitivity about it where you can’t even say a truth about a person who happens to be minority “X” because it will be constude as racist. And that’s bullshit, Being a certain race doesn’t absolve you from sin. Besides that, it is waaay off topic, anyway.
We are discussing Gary Sheffield’s clearly racist remarks and his mispalced accusations of racisim. Not racism in general, only Gary Sheffeild.
That’s the area I’d prefer the conversation to stay in.
[/quote]

Sorry for the hijack. I was only trying to address texguy’s statement that everyone is truly equal now. If we agree that racsim and racial discrimination exist today, how can anyone say that we are all equal?

[malonetd]

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
malonetd wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
malonetd wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
…but everyone truly is equal now.

Riiiiight.

Public school and financial aid for furthering education are available to everyone, more so to minorities with their exclusive grants and scholarships really.

Not one credible place of employment cares about race. Maybe mom and pop retail stores in bo fuck missouri, but who really aspires to work there?

If you really think a handful of back woods rednecks holds down an entire race you are kidding yourself.

It’s not the twenties where 70 % of a towns police department, mayor, judge and state senators are white supremacists.

Schools are not close to particular races, we can all drink from the same water fountains, sit in the same bus seats…

Show me where people are not equal and give me real examples. Not obscure, impossible to prove “institutionalized” bullshit.

So in just 50 years since the Civil Rights Movement everything is all better? After centuries of slavery and inequalities, all it took was a few years and a few apologies to put everyone on equal footing? If you truly believe that then I don’t know what world you live in.

One generation’s time doesn’t wipe out the lasting effects of racism and discrimination that were once legal and smiled upon. Yes, race relations has improved, but we’re a long way away from everyone being truly equal.

First off, putting race aside, no one is equal. We’re all different. Different shapes and sizes. Different strengths and weaknesses. But since I know you were referring specifically to race, this is beside the point.

The problem with racism and equality is that people like you refuse to believe it exists. You think that a little financial aid and a little affirmative action solve everything. Putting institutionalized in quotes was a dead give-away to your line of thinking.

We are not equal. The racial imbalances of 300 years of slavery still exist today.

Texasguy asked for specific examples. You have given none.
[/quote]

Specifics like what? Like Rubin Stacy and Emmitt Till? Or Vivian Malone and Rosa Parks? Or more recent stuff like Michelle Maupin? You do realize it hasn’t even been 50 years since MLK’s assassination, don’t you?

Why is there even a need for specifics anyway when it is obvious to even the most casual observer that we aren’t equal yet?

[Chris_Arp]

[quote]malonetd wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
malonetd wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
…but everyone truly is equal now.

Riiiiight.

Public school and financial aid for furthering education are available to everyone, more so to minorities with their exclusive grants and scholarships really.

Not one credible place of employment cares about race. Maybe mom and pop retail stores in bo fuck missouri, but who really aspires to work there?

If you really think a handful of back woods rednecks holds down an entire race you are kidding yourself.

It’s not the twenties where 70 % of a towns police department, mayor, judge and state senators are white supremacists.

Schools are not close to particular races, we can all drink from the same water fountains, sit in the same bus seats…

Show me where people are not equal and give me real examples. Not obscure, impossible to prove “institutionalized” bullshit.

So in just 50 years since the Civil Rights Movement everything is all better? After centuries of slavery and inequalities, all it took was a few years and a few apologies to put everyone on equal footing? If you truly believe that then I don’t know what world you live in.

One generation’s time doesn’t wipe out the lasting effects of racism and discrimination that were once legal and smiled upon. Yes, race relations has improved, but we’re a long way away from everyone being truly equal.

First off, putting race aside, no one is equal. We’re all different. Different shapes and sizes. Different strengths and weaknesses. But since I know you were referring specifically to race, this is beside the point.

The problem with racism and equality is that people like you refuse to believe it exists. You think that a little financial aid and a little affirmative action solve everything. Putting institutionalized in quotes was a dead give-away to your line of thinking.

We are not equal. The racial imbalances of 300 years of slavery still exist today.
[/quote]

My ancestor’s were back in Italy squashing grapes when this was going on.

You don’t punish the son for the crimes of his father, do you?

Entitlement has created a whole new brand of slavery.

The country needs an even playing field and personal responsibility, it’s that simple!

[Chris_Arp]

[quote]escot4 wrote:
Try checking out conviction/arrest rates among different ethnicities as well as the makeup of the prison populations in the U.S. That stuff is strong evidence that things are not “truly equal now.” [/quote]

Not truly equal by who’s choice?

Many of the individuals in prison choose a culture of crime instead of taking advantage of positive opportunities.

It comes back to personal responsibilities.

[texasguy1]

[quote]malonetd wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
The problem with racism is that people like you preserve it by continuing to make it an issue when it doesn’t have to be.

By acknowledging its existence, I’m preserving it? Huh?[/quote]

By blowing its current existence out of proportion and then acting as if it is a pressing issue yes, you do preserve it.

[texasguy1]

[quote]escot4 wrote:
Try checking out conviction/arrest rates among different ethnicities as well as the makeup of the prison populations in the U.S. That stuff is strong evidence that things are not “truly equal now.” [/quote]

That doesn’t prove anything but that certain individuals made poor decisions. “The Man” didn’t force criminals in to selling crack, joining violent gangs, embezzling money from fortune 500 companies or anything else.

A vast majority of serial killers and “white collar criminals” are white. Does that equate to racism? following your logic, white serial killers seem to be unfairly convicted while black serial killers get a free pass. There are plenty of minorities in management positions yet they don’t seem to be getting arrested as often as whites for white collar crimes. How racist.

[pat]

Well, sorry, I should have seen the shit storm coming! Let it fly fellas!

[pat]

[quote]malonetd wrote:
pat36 wrote:
I haven’t heard anybody say racism doesn’t exist. What’s as big a problem is a mega, over the top super-sensitivity about it where you can’t even say a truth about a person who happens to be minority “X” because it will be constude as racist. And that’s bullshit, Being a certain race doesn’t absolve you from sin. Besides that, it is waaay off topic, anyway.
We are discussing Gary Sheffield’s clearly racist remarks and his mispalced accusations of racisim. Not racism in general, only Gary Sheffeild.
That’s the area I’d prefer the conversation to stay in.

Sorry for the hijack. I was only trying to address texguy’s statement that everyone is truly equal now. If we agree that racsim and racial discrimination exist today, how can anyone say that we are all equal?[/quote]

Nevermind, man, it’staking on a life of it’s own. Let it fly!

[texasguy1]

Gary Sheffield is a dumb ass.

[malonetd]

[quote]Chris Arp wrote:
malonetd wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
malonetd wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
…but everyone truly is equal now.

Riiiiight.

Public school and financial aid for furthering education are available to everyone, more so to minorities with their exclusive grants and scholarships really.

Not one credible place of employment cares about race. Maybe mom and pop retail stores in bo fuck missouri, but who really aspires to work there?

If you really think a handful of back woods rednecks holds down an entire race you are kidding yourself.

It’s not the twenties where 70 % of a towns police department, mayor, judge and state senators are white supremacists.

Schools are not close to particular races, we can all drink from the same water fountains, sit in the same bus seats…

Show me where people are not equal and give me real examples. Not obscure, impossible to prove “institutionalized” bullshit.

So in just 50 years since the Civil Rights Movement everything is all better? After centuries of slavery and inequalities, all it took was a few years and a few apologies to put everyone on equal footing? If you truly believe that then I don’t know what world you live in.

One generation’s time doesn’t wipe out the lasting effects of racism and discrimination that were once legal and smiled upon. Yes, race relations has improved, but we’re a long way away from everyone being truly equal.

First off, putting race aside, no one is equal. We’re all different. Different shapes and sizes. Different strengths and weaknesses. But since I know you were referring specifically to race, this is beside the point.

The problem with racism and equality is that people like you refuse to believe it exists. You think that a little financial aid and a little affirmative action solve everything. Putting institutionalized in quotes was a dead give-away to your line of thinking.

We are not equal. The racial imbalances of 300 years of slavery still exist today.

My ancestor’s were back in Italy squashing grapes when this was going on.

You don’t punish the son for the crimes of his father, do you?

Entitlement has created a whole new brand of slavery.

The country needs an even playing field and personal responsibility, it’s that simple!
[/quote]

Who’s being punished? Have you been charged with a crime?

I’m all for personal responsibility, but as far as an even playing field goes, it just takes longer than half a century to even things out. That’s my main point here. I’m not claiming anything more than that. Equality just isn’t universal yet and it’s going to take more time. I don’t see how this is so hard to grasp.

[malonetd]

[quote]texasguy1 wrote:
malonetd wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
The problem with racism is that people like you preserve it by continuing to make it an issue when it doesn’t have to be.

By acknowledging its existence, I’m preserving it? Huh?

By blowing its current existence out of proportion and then acting as if it is a pressing issue yes, you do preserve it.

[/quote]

You really aren’t that bright are you? I didn’t blow anything out of proportion. You were the one speaking in absolute terms. “Everyone truly is equal now.” Remember that.

Of course I just realized it’s pointless to debate this with a child who has no real life experiences. My mistake.

[rainjack]

[quote]malonetd wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
The problem with racism is that people like you preserve it by continuing to make it an issue when it doesn’t have to be.

By acknowledging its existence, I’m preserving it? Huh?[/quote]

The problem with racism is that spoiled ass rich bitches can’t pull their fucking heads out of the sand long enough to make an objective assessment.

But we already knew that about the cunt.

Racism is not quantifiable. It’s like obscenity: you will know it when you see it.

Problem with the cracker-assed rich bitches is that they can’t see past the A&F store at their local mall.

You brag about being in West Texas. Racism is rampant in west Texas. Hispanics hate whitey, and whitey hates the hispanics.

To not know this as fact - especially going to school where you say you do - is just par for the course for the cunt.

[texasguy1]

[quote]malonetd wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
malonetd wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
The problem with racism is that people like you preserve it by continuing to make it an issue when it doesn’t have to be.

By acknowledging its existence, I’m preserving it? Huh?

By blowing its current existence out of proportion and then acting as if it is a pressing issue yes, you do preserve it.

You really aren’t that bright are you? I didn’t blow anything out of proportion. You were the one speaking in absolute terms. “Everyone truly is equal now.” Remember that.

Of course I just realized it’s pointless to debate this with a child who has no real life experiences. My mistake.[/quote]

You have yet to make a valid point supporting your original statement.

So far you have just whimsical opinions with no real, current information to back them.

At least try to sound intelligent before you attempt to discredit another post.

[texasguy1]

[quote]rainjack wrote:
malonetd wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
The problem with racism is that people like you preserve it by continuing to make it an issue when it doesn’t have to be.

By acknowledging its existence, I’m preserving it? Huh?

The problem with racism is that spoiled ass rich bitches can’t pull their fucking heads out of the sand long enough to make an objective assessment.

But we already knew that about the cunt.

Racism is not quantifiable. It’s like obscenity: you will know it when you see it.

Problem with the cracker-assed rich bitches is that they can’t see past the A&F store at their local mall.

You brag about being in West Texas. Racism is rampant in west Texas. Hispanics hate whitey, and whitey hates the hispanics.

To not know this as fact - especially going to school where you say you do - is just par for the course for the cunt. [/quote]

HAHA! such intelligent contributions to the debate! wow! you seem more bitter than ever!

as i’ve mentioned many times, including my first post, there certainly are a handful of racists in the world. Yet racism does not carry the ramifications it once did.

Look at the racial situations of 40 years ago.

It was actually illegal in many places for minorities to:

1. attend the same schools as whites
2. drink from the same water fountains
3. sit in the same bus seats
4. go to college
5. date whites
6. vote

and the list could go on and on.

Today it is not only legal for minorities to do all of the above and anything else whites can do, but supported and accepted by the large majority of the population.

Maybe if you didn’t have your head so far up your ass, you would see that drastic changes have occurred over the last 40 years and that neither random, secluded bouts of racism nor occasional ignorant assholes mean much of anything in the larger scheme of it all.

And i’m not much of a abercrombie fan. I like polo and american eagle myself.

and who is bragging about being in west texas? i answered a question proposed to me.

[rainjack]

You said there is no racism except in rare instances in the white trash sections of society.

I say you are wrong. You say prove it. I say there is no proof because it is a silent crime.

Your limited life experience, and you limited intelligence makes you speak from utter ignorance.

Need proof of that? Check your post history - You have not contributed a single thing to this site since you joined.

Every time you open your mouth you brag. I am just connecting the dots.