[quote]tom63 wrote:
for whatever reason my post didn’t go through correctly two posts above. but if you never have lifted the weight, you didn’t lift the weight. that trumps all math formulas. formulas are an attempt to predict something in this case. There is no better way to predict something than having done it.
Through experience I have found certain rep ranges correspond with certain maxes. But I knew my current max. This allows me to say if I squat x reps with a certain weight, I might max y weight. But I have the current max and the current reps based on my past performance.
Form breaks down at max weights and 100+% is way different than 87.5% or 90%. In case anyone cares, I first competed in powerlifitng thirty years ago and pull in the mid 600s. Not that that matters, it’s the experience with this stuff that maters. If you never deadlifted before and do 315 x 6 the first time you try it and lift nothing heavier, your max is 315. You want to claim more, do more.[/quote]
yes, thank you.
from personal experience, the strain from pulling 385 is a whole different animal from the conditioning of pulling 295 for any multiple of reps. even that last rep of 295 and the strain associated with it is nothing compared to the strain of pulling 385 once. for me, attempting 385 might as well have been like lifting a building.
only those who have actually attempted a 1RM that heavy or heavier ( bit under 2x BW for me atm) know what that feels like. and it doesn’t feel like repping a weight out 7 times.
gonna join in on this race, assuming it’s not over ~(._.~)
i have the deadlift (375 1RM pulled last friday), but i tweaked my back in the process despite it being an easy rep and keeping my lower back proper. i’m not going to max ever again from here on out, though, due to the risk of permanent damage to my spine. i will join in the race, however, setting the following stipulations for myself:
as i won’t ever be maxing out to the listed weight, i’ll shoot for:
squat 315 x 3
currently at:
250 x 4 (1-2" below parallel) in an olympic squatting stance
i’m going to be using 531 as it really seems to work for me. put a really solid 40 lbs onto my deadlift in 4 months. i think it’s actually more but i had to deadlift 2 days earlier than normal on week 3 when i maxed out which i think hindered my progress by 10-20 lbs. 40-60 lbs in the squat in 4 months shouldn’t be a problem!
[quote]tom63 wrote:
for whatever reason my post didn’t go through correctly two posts above. but if you never have lifted the weight, you didn’t lift the weight. that trumps all math formulas. formulas are an attempt to predict something in this case. There is no better way to predict something than having done it.
Through experience I have found certain rep ranges correspond with certain maxes. But I knew my current max. This allows me to say if I squat x reps with a certain weight, I might max y weight. But I have the current max and the current reps based on my past performance.
Form breaks down at max weights and 100+% is way different than 87.5% or 90%. In case anyone cares, I first competed in powerlifitng thirty years ago and pull in the mid 600s. Not that that matters, it’s the experience with this stuff that maters. If you never deadlifted before and do 315 x 6 the first time you try it and lift nothing heavier, your max is 315. You want to claim more, do more.[/quote]
yes, thank you.
from personal experience, the strain from pulling 385 is a whole different animal from the conditioning of pulling 295 for any multiple of reps. even that last rep of 295 and the strain associated with it is nothing compared to the strain of pulling 385 once. for me, attempting 385 might as well have been like lifting a building.
only those who have actually attempted a 1RM that heavy or heavier ( bit under 2x BW for me atm) know what that feels like. and it doesn’t feel like repping a weight out 7 times.
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I 100% agree, I deficit dl’d 245 for 6 reps, and on the 6th rep it was hard but comparing that to when I deficit dl’d 285 for 1 is crazy, the 1 rep max attempt felt so different, probably cause it went up a lot slower, im not sure
[quote]tom63 wrote:
for whatever reason my post didn’t go through correctly two posts above. but if you never have lifted the weight, you didn’t lift the weight. that trumps all math formulas. formulas are an attempt to predict something in this case. There is no better way to predict something than having done it.
Through experience I have found certain rep ranges correspond with certain maxes. But I knew my current max. This allows me to say if I squat x reps with a certain weight, I might max y weight. But I have the current max and the current reps based on my past performance.
Form breaks down at max weights and 100+% is way different than 87.5% or 90%. In case anyone cares, I first competed in powerlifitng thirty years ago and pull in the mid 600s. Not that that matters, it’s the experience with this stuff that maters. If you never deadlifted before and do 315 x 6 the first time you try it and lift nothing heavier, your max is 315. You want to claim more, do more.[/quote]
My thinking is that the rep max conversion tells you what you can PROBABLY lift if you train up your max effort ability for a few weeks (provided you’re at 10 reps or under). It doesn’t mean that you can walk in the gym the next week and hit that number, you have to work up to it over a few weeks.
Again , keep records of what you we’re lifting rep wise and your maxes. Steel nation is saying the same thing IMO. You triple say , 315 x 3 then max a few weeks later at 330 you can guesstimate 330 x 3 later might be 345-350. All factors being equal. Keep these ranges for all your tested lifts. Deadlift rep ranges won’t work out the way bench or squat reps.
Example I did a 422 x 3 ssb yoke bar three weeks ago with just knee sleeves. I write all of this down do all variables are the same . I was crushed by 442 on the first rep. I did slightly strain my right quad on the previous set and was sleep deprived due to a shoulder issue. I don’t know what a rep calculator would say 422 x 3 equals, but a week ago it wasn’t 442. I’m on a deload now, but I’ll get some heavy work in next week. I had to get a shot in the shoulder and it’s helping me sleep .
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Again , keep records of what you we’re lifting rep wise and your maxes. Steel nation is saying the same thing IMO. You triple say , 315 x 3 then max a few weeks later at 330 you can guesstimate 330 x 3 later might be 345-350. All factors being equal. Keep these ranges for all your tested lifts. Deadlift rep ranges won’t work out the way bench or squat reps.
Example I did a 422 x 3 ssb yoke bar three weeks ago with just knee sleeves. I write all of this down do all variables are the same . I was crushed by 442 on the first rep. I did slightly strain my right quad on the previous set and was sleep deprived due to a shoulder issue. I don’t know what a rep calculator would say 422 x 3 equals, but a week ago it wasn’t 442. I’m on a deload now, but I’ll get some heavy work in next week. I had to get a shot in the shoulder and it’s helping me sleep .[/quote]
that sucks man. but you know well the risks and benefits of pushing yourself.
[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
Before I had even a months powerlifting, just right after I learned the form… I could do a 350 deadlift and and a 315 squat. You guys have poo poo genetics. I thought this was a girl’s thread.[/quote]
…or you weight about 600 pounds when you first began powerlifting. [/quote]
I started lifting after years off in November 2011. Followed a full-body pl style (all compound lifts) 1 day for a month and started sheiko 29 early Dec. This week I was feeling good so loaded up on DL day and pulled 335lbs x 3…gym-win for me! First time with 3 45’s per side in at least 10 years…but 335 is only 15 lbs over my bodyweight.
I’m already in the race for the Squat, but think I’ll join for Snatch Grip DL’s as well. I got 225 for an easy, explosive set first time trying them last week, so can hopefully get 315 soon.
Tremendous training session. Hit 210 for 8, then did some more squatting and assistance workouts. Just ate a rockin’ roll and 2 burgers. When the wife gets home we’ll go out to eat also.
That Squat was tested out a week before Thanksgiving and it didn’t feel too difficult - I think I have 225 in me now, so I’m hoping that I can get 315 by the end of the year perhaps, which would be damn exciting.
My Deadlift used to be 100lbs higher than my squat - but while my squat has been going up my deadlift has been stagnant since MARCH. I got that 235lb PR in March, just re-tested it last week and it’s still 235. It’s extremely disheartening and I don’t understand what the problem is. I follow the Conjugate method and deadlift about every 8 weeks. The other weeks I do some form of squat or deadlift variation and I work on my weaknesses (Getting it off the floor), but the number just hasn’t budged. When I got that PR in March I thought that I could get 315 by March 2012…now I’m just hoping for 245.
^ good luck! i have no idea how women train for powerlifting but it’s certainly something i’m interested in.
my girl just got into powerlifting herself 2ish months ago and i’m trying to sort out what training program would be best for her, lol. she’s doing starting strength right now, but would you have any other suggestions for a beginner? i was thinking 5-3-1 would be great since she’d benefit from activating her cns more through the higher rep ranges, but i could be wrong.