[quote]A_G wrote:
Coach what about midnight pulsings??
For example while waking up for restroom, can we pulse a shake?? I mean the times we wake up not on purpose??[/quote]
I’m divided on the issue.
One thing is for sure: you should NOT wake up on purpose in the middle of the night to drink a shake.
Now, when it comes down to having a shake if you are already awake … hmm… the obvious answer would be to have the shake, I mean you are up anyway so might as well get some benefits out of a negative situation.
BUT the problem I see is that could create a subconscious pattern to wake up during the night. So you could very well be programming the habit of waking up during the night just to have that shake.
If it’s something that happens rarely, I say go for it. However if it becomes a habit then you are shooting yourself in the foot.
Not Thibs, but I am getting a fair idea of the protocol. The pulse is quite flexible. The only essentials for it to be effective are:
Plasma amino level must be decently depleted so as to be primed for a spike. That means 2 hours after a quick digested meal (like egg whites or pork tenderloin or tilapia, etc.) and 3 hours after a slower digested meal like beef, fattier cuts, salmon, etc (these meals are preferred in evening after you are done with pulsing for the day).
Once the amino pulse has done its job, you are free to have a meal after 1/2 hour since the quick absorbed protein and aminos have been assimilated. If you prefer to wait longer than 1/2 hour; that is fine too.
[quote]sarah1 wrote:
If you protein pulse in the day do you count it as a meal and wait 3 hours for the next one?[/quote]
Meal counting is outdated. The total nutrients intake is far more important.
After discussing it further with Tim Patterson and his team of scientists, it would seem that you can consume solid food closer to a pulse than I expected. The pulse is used to activate the anabolic/protein synthesis process, then you can eat.
The pulse does the job within 10-15 min. if you use the proper protein (casein hydrolysate). So you can actually have your meal 15 min. after your pulse shake.
If you wouldn’t have to work and would get up at 6:30PM and go to bed at 11:00PM.
When would you suggest to train?
How many Pulses would you prefer/When?
When would you put in the Solid meals?
I got:
BCAAs (Caps)
Leucine (Powder)
Whey
Protein mix: 60% Casein, 20% whey, 20%egg
GPC - Caps
Glutamine (immune system)
I’m interested in how you’d use this for a proper protein pulse and for the PARA WO Nutrition?
Wow, that is cool!! When protein pulsing are you able to utilize many more nutrtients so you should have your normal nutrient intake PLUS the extra protein?
So you actually get 120 g protein solely from your pulses ?! Isn’t that too much ? When you include your paraworkout nutrition and your solid meals that will go over 300 g per day …
So you actually get 120 g protein solely from your pulses ?! Isn’t that two much ? When you include your paraworkout nutrition and your solid meals that will go over 300 g per day … [/quote]
As I understand it while pulsing the total amount of protein in a day can now go down as you’re more efficient at utilizing it.
So you actually get 120 g protein solely from your pulses ?! Isn’t that too much ? When you include your paraworkout nutrition and your solid meals that will go over 300 g per day … [/quote]
With casein hydrolysate you only use 12g per pulse… 12g has the same effect on stimulating anabolism as 50-60g of whey. Sorry, should have mentionned that (well I did mention it in several earlier posts).
[quote]NumbInfinity wrote:
Thanks for your answers, I appreciate that.
So what would you recommend to get the job done very well?
Casein Hydrolysate - wich one, besides Anaconda!?
Leucine (Biotest), ok!?
BCAAs, needed?
and what would you recommend to use for PARA WO optimally?
as I’d buy the stuff I need as you recommend.
I would really thank you a lot![/quote]
Anaconda is the best product to use during the workout because on top of casein hydrolyate it has several other highly effective ingredients.
I talked to Tim Patterson and it is very likely that Biotest will put out its own casein hydrolysate product very soon.
Leucine can be effective for pulsing by activating protein synthesis, but it doesn’t provides you with the raw material to take advantage of it. I would say that an optimal approach would have you take leucine (5g), 10 minutes later casein hydrolysate (12g) and 10-15 minutes later have your meal.
So you actually get 120 g protein solely from your pulses ?! Isn’t that two much ? When you include your paraworkout nutrition and your solid meals that will go over 300 g per day …
As I understand it while pulsing the total amount of protein in a day can now go down as you’re more efficient at utilizing it. [/quote]
Definitely! I’m using around 250-275g per day and I’m getting better results than when I was taking in 400-500g.
[quote]Professor Chaos wrote:
It sounds like you’re using pulsing the way folks use leucine? ie to spark anabolism before a meal? [/quote]
Exactly! However CH seems to work even better since it provides you with some raw material to take advantage of the enhanced anabolic state. CH also seems to speed up metabolism.
[quote]Professor Chaos wrote:
How does this look Christian?
CT approved… however I would replace the later pulse with only a solid meal or a casein miscellar shake.
[quote]Professor Chaos wrote:
2 Questions:
How many grams of CH do you need for each pulse? Assuming the Biotest CH that is coming out soon…[/quote]
12g
[quote]Professor Chaos wrote:
Do you recommend carbs with the dinner following the workout in the above plan? My current priority is hypertrophy.
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I’ve been looking all over the place for caesin hydrolysate, but the only ones that I have found say stuff like “for slow digestion” (obvious no no) or go for like $1000 or more (I think they are lab quality or something like that). Any idea where to get this stuff, or when Biotest is planning to come out with CH? I’ve found whey hydrolysate however…
Anaconda is the best product to use during the workout because on top of casein hydrolyate it has several other highly effective ingredients.
I talked to Tim Patterson and it is very likely that Biotest will put out its own casein hydrolysate product very soon.
Leucine can be effective for pulsing by activating protein synthesis, but it doesn’t provides you with the raw material to take advantage of it. I would say that an optimal approach would have you take leucine (5g), 10 minutes later casein hydrolysate (12g) and 10-15 minutes later have your meal.
BCAAs are not needed.[/quote]
if using pulsing to loose fat would it be more effective to have a longer time between the pulses and meals as you need to consume less calories for the day and spreding the intake would make this easier?
or do you need to have the meal 10-15 minutes later to provide extra aminos and nutrients to make the most of protein synthesis?
DOes it have any difference between hydrolyzed caseinate and hydrolized casein ? It sound the same for me but the price is not the same. It’s 28$ the pound for the caseinate and 16$ for the casein.
Is this (pulsing/eating on the same schedule) something that your body can adapt to where it will not work after extended use?
We have lots of different tools to use when trying to build muscle and get lean. With your knowledge and experience, would you say it’s best to use the best tools right away or is it better to gradually use them? My goal is aesthetics (big, lean, proportional, etc.) More specifically, with this new super program and diet, is this the end all or will someone still need a change of pace?
Like a number of people, I am having a hard time of even finding casien hydrolysate. So in my quest to find readily available alternatives, would the old school amino acid tabs work? Would they be absorbed faster than whey isolate? Thanks
