[quote]pumped340 wrote:
lol
Any chance of before and after pics of you CT? I’d be interested to see what you look like now at almost 250 on a 5’8 body while still having abs.[/quote]
Actually I just got off the phone with Tim Patterson and he is scheduling a photo shoot with Brian Moss in 2 weeks.
BTW, Brian Moss is the guy who took the picture of Frank that you use for your avatar.
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
lol
Any chance of before and after pics of you CT? I’d be interested to see what you look like now at almost 250 on a 5’8 body while still having abs.
Also what was your weight and bf% in your avatar pic?[/quote]
My avatar pic is from 2001, I was 195.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
pumped340 wrote:
lol
Any chance of before and after pics of you CT? I’d be interested to see what you look like now at almost 250 on a 5’8 body while still having abs.
Actually I just got off the phone with Tim Patterson and he is scheduling a photo shoot with Brian Moss in 2 weeks.
BTW, Brian Moss is the guy who took the picture of Frank that you use for your avatar[/quote]
Sounds cool.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
pumped340 wrote:
lol
Any chance of before and after pics of you CT? I’d be interested to see what you look like now at almost 250 on a 5’8 body while still having abs.
Also what was your weight and bf% in your avatar pic?
My avatar pic is from 2001, I was 195[/quote]
wow, another 50lb. on that is gonna look crazy.
Hey I think you might have missed my question from the middle of page 3, I’d appreciate it if you could let me know what you think when you get a chance… Thanks
Christian just curious, seeing how you’re packing on so much size, would you consider trying for a pro card? 240lbs @5’8" is just awesome. You obviously got the knowledge, drive, and genetics.
Christian,
Going with the fact that someone who stores alot of fat in love handle area has terrible insulin sensitivity, if they were to lose that fat and get down to a more respectable BF%, and say they got a little excessive with calories and maybe cut back on training for a period of time would the “new” fat then be stored just as it always was, in the love handles? From what i understand, getting down to a lower body fat improves insulin sensitivity greatly, and if your handling of carbs is better in theory shouldnt you just store it based on your current hormonal levels?
Is a man with high cortisol levels always doomed to have fat in the cortisol storing areas (belly?) even if his cortisol is gotten under control? Or are fat cells that have been produced before hand, with you for life? im not sure i grasp the concept of biosignature or how fat cells work, sorry if I have confused you!
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Kerley wrote:
hey coach,
what type of diet would you recomend for someone whos very overweight pushing 20% BF on the calipers. a ketogenic diet, carb cycling or just very low carbs but not as low to enter ketosis?
thanks
kerley
Low carbs all day with around 50-75 of carbs consumed para-workout (25g slow absorbed 40 min prior, 50g of fast acing carbs, like 2 scoops of Surge Recovery pre-workout and during the workout … half before the workout, the other half during).[/quote]
Coach,
So you mean to say there is no need of carbs postworkout??
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
mav31 wrote:
Christian,
a while back you had mentioned that you avoided getting too big because the only clients you tended to attract was bodybuilding, etc. and were somewhat less marketable, as a result, you stayed more on the lean side 6-8%, however you had also mentioned that now you have a strong reputation and that’s not much of an issue anymore, is this becoming the case again, since you had mentioned its affecting many aspect of your life negatively and you are experience a gain in size, faster then you had previously in your life? If this is too personal i understand. Was just wondering.
On another note, I do hope a small batch of anaconda is released as you had heard it might be, there defiantly is demand, although it is expensive to make. Maybe profit can be made up in volume, since we all are anxious to try it. Thanks again for all the info.
The ‘problems’ are more a matter of my body being shocked than anything. Sleeping is much harder than normal (a lot of high level bodybuilders or big athletes tend to suffer from mild sleep apnea) and I fall asleep easily during the day. This might actually be because my body wants to shut down to build the muscle it’s been stimulated to. Anyway, it’s annoying as I have trouble watching even half a movie with my wife.
Simply taking a walk outside is now a chore. Not cardiovascular-wise, but lactic acid wise… my calves get pumped to hell from the slightest hill over 30’ long!
It’s funny because I’m definitely not fat. I still have a six pack, but I do feel like a 400lbs obese woman almost dying from shopping at Walmart![/quote]
CT,
Reading that post is getting me very excited about this new super program. Before I get my hopes up too much, I want to know if you can at least tell me if there are any catches, any prerequisites, or is this something a regular guy can follow and be very successful with?
Do you think you’re responding really well because you’re a very experienced athlete? Is it the supplements? Is the diet that is required going to be very expensive?
I have a lot of trust in T-Nation and you, but you know if you were on my end, you’d probably say that it was one of those “too good to be true” things.
If only my problem was that my body wanted to make too much muscle!
Thanks in advance.
[quote]Darkane wrote:
Christian just curious, seeing how you’re packing on so much size, would you consider trying for a pro card? 240lbs @5’8" is just awesome. You obviously got the knowledge, drive, and genetics.[/quote]
Really not. I don’t plan on competing. Actually I was very happy sitting at 212-215. Tim decided asked me to build the best training program for size that I could. So I did. Over time the program evolved as I tried it, tweaked with it, etc.
Around the same time we started experimenting with para-workout nutrition. Tim has his own team of consigliare, he would consult with them and send me a protocol to try. I would give him my feedback, we would tweak it, try it again, etc.
Basically I, and a few of my guys serves as test subjects for the program and para-workout protocol. The end result do show the efficacy of the program and protocol, but I didn’t start this with any number in mind or any specific goal. I just followed the plan and reported what was happening.
[quote]Darkane wrote:
Christian just curious, seeing how you’re packing on so much size, would you consider trying for a pro card? 240lbs @5’8" is just awesome. You obviously got the knowledge, drive, and genetics.[/quote]
As for a pro card, 5’8’’ 240 at 9% body fat translates to around 210 stage shape. Still 20lbs short.
But although I do seem to be capable of packing on size, I do lack the proper proportions and structure to be a good bodybuilder. Sebastian, who is also part of the project is around 220lbs right now, close to stage shape, but his structure makes him look lik he is 250. That’s the kinda of guy who can turn pro.
[quote]jeenumj wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Kerley wrote:
hey coach,
what type of diet would you recomend for someone whos very overweight pushing 20% BF on the calipers. a ketogenic diet, carb cycling or just very low carbs but not as low to enter ketosis?
thanks
kerley
Low carbs all day with around 50-75 of carbs consumed para-workout (25g slow absorbed 40 min prior, 50g of fast acing carbs, like 2 scoops of Surge Recovery pre-workout and during the workout … half before the workout, the other half during).
Coach,
So you mean to say there is no need of carbs postworkout??
[/quote]
If the proper type of carbs are used at the right time pre and during workout, no, post-workout carbs are not a necessity.
[quote]Loui.s wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
mav31 wrote:
Christian,
a while back you had mentioned that you avoided getting too big because the only clients you tended to attract was bodybuilding, etc. and were somewhat less marketable, as a result, you stayed more on the lean side 6-8%, however you had also mentioned that now you have a strong reputation and that’s not much of an issue anymore, is this becoming the case again, since you had mentioned its affecting many aspect of your life negatively and you are experience a gain in size, faster then you had previously in your life? If this is too personal i understand. Was just wondering.
On another note, I do hope a small batch of anaconda is released as you had heard it might be, there defiantly is demand, although it is expensive to make. Maybe profit can be made up in volume, since we all are anxious to try it. Thanks again for all the info.
The ‘problems’ are more a matter of my body being shocked than anything. Sleeping is much harder than normal (a lot of high level bodybuilders or big athletes tend to suffer from mild sleep apnea) and I fall asleep easily during the day. This might actually be because my body wants to shut down to build the muscle it’s been stimulated to. Anyway, it’s annoying as I have trouble watching even half a movie with my wife.
Simply taking a walk outside is now a chore. Not cardiovascular-wise, but lactic acid wise… my calves get pumped to hell from the slightest hill over 30’ long!
It’s funny because I’m definitely not fat. I still have a six pack, but I do feel like a 400lbs obese woman almost dying from shopping at Walmart!
CT,
Reading that post is getting me very excited about this new super program. Before I get my hopes up too much, I want to know if you can at least tell me if there are any catches, any prerequisites, or is this something a regular guy can follow and be very successful with?
Do you think you’re responding really well because you’re a very experienced athlete? Is it the supplements? Is the diet that is required going to be very expensive?
I have a lot of trust in T-Nation and you, but you know if you were on my end, you’d probably say that it was one of those “too good to be true” things.
If only my problem was that my body wanted to make too much muscle!
Thanks in advance.
[/quote]
I’m obviously a good subject because of my extensive training background. I did build a rather larger muscular foundation and especially the capacity to activate and train the high threshold motor units.
Someone with a lesser degree of fast-twitch fibers and a less efficient nervous system might take longer to respond to the program BUT I believe that such a person would respond optimally to the program for a longer of time.
I can definetely tell you that everybody who tried the program/protocol had great results. Not all up to par to mine, but very impressive nonetheless.
My training partner is up by a bit more than 15lbs over the past 4 weeks and he is still under 7% body fat.
Sebastian started the protocol/training while he was dieting for a bodybuilding show. He also freaked out because he gained 5lbs in 10 days when he started. He honestly believed that he would screw up his prep… turns out that he was leaner, so that eased his mind!
I have a 60 years old fireman who increased his power clean max by 50lbs and his deadlift max by 100lbs in 6 weeks.
And I could go on.
heck, Thib, Layne Norton is taller and has less size than you and he has his pro card.
You’re selling yourself short. (No pun ;0)
DH
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Darkane wrote:
Christian just curious, seeing how you’re packing on so much size, would you consider trying for a pro card? 240lbs @5’8" is just awesome. You obviously got the knowledge, drive, and genetics.
As for a pro card, 5’8’’ 240 at 9% body fat translates to around 210 stage shape. Still 20lbs short.
But although I do seem to be capable of packing on size, I do lack the proper proportions and structure to be a good bodybuilder. Sebastian, who is also part of the project is around 220lbs right now, close to stage shape, but his structure makes him look lik he is 250. That’s the kinda of guy who can turn pro.[/quote]
Wow. Interesting experience. Talk about making lemonade out of lemons. 
DH
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
DH wrote:
Wow, I hadn’t heard. That’s pretty serious, Thib. Could you relate a little about your AAS experience? Could be quite educational for alot of readers here.
Nothing out of the ordinary, really. I was 18 and played football. I foolishly believed that I could make it as a pro (despite being 5’8’’ and Canadian) and decided to take the plunge. I was around 188lbs when I started and after around 6 weeks on cycle I was up to 207lbs. I was using testosterone cypionate, 200mg twice per week and winstrol injects 50mg three times pe week. It was quality stuff by Upjohn.
At the 6 weeks mark I started to have a pain in my right leg. I thought that it was just residual soreness so I trained through it. After 2 more weeks it became impossible to bend my leg or walk on it.
The team’s physical therapist arranged an appointment with a medical doctor who quickly diagnosed a serious abscess. I had to undergo emergency surgery. The abscess was so big that it threatened to rupture the femoral artery any hour.
After the surgery I had to spend 2 weeks in the hospital… went from 207 down to 172 and never played football again.
While in the hospital I had my parents bring me books on training, nutrition and physiology and began my education as a coach… the rest is pretty much history! [/quote]
Ha ha. Yeah. I get tired going to Walmart. It is embarrassing at times. I get tired easier and I sleep face down with my head cocked back because of some apena.
My quads get lit up when I go up the stairs and burn like nuts.
Do you hate talking on the phone without a headset because of the bicep cramps? I start to go numb after the burn wears off!
And when I play the Wii with my son, I get a burning exhausting pump from moving my arms with the two controllers. Had one of the best pumps of my life in the shoulders, biceps and forearms from playing a boxing game. Feel like a need a PWO shake. Ha.
I’ve been considering doing very high rep AR work on off days to see if improved capilarization helps at all.
DH
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
mav31 wrote:
Christian,
a while back you had mentioned that you avoided getting too big because the only clients you tended to attract was bodybuilding, etc. and were somewhat less marketable, as a result, you stayed more on the lean side 6-8%, however you had also mentioned that now you have a strong reputation and that’s not much of an issue anymore, is this becoming the case again, since you had mentioned its affecting many aspect of your life negatively and you are experience a gain in size, faster then you had previously in your life? If this is too personal i understand. Was just wondering.
On another note, I do hope a small batch of anaconda is released as you had heard it might be, there defiantly is demand, although it is expensive to make. Maybe profit can be made up in volume, since we all are anxious to try it. Thanks again for all the info.
The ‘problems’ are more a matter of my body being shocked than anything. Sleeping is much harder than normal (a lot of high level bodybuilders or big athletes tend to suffer from mild sleep apnea) and I fall asleep easily during the day. This might actually be because my body wants to shut down to build the muscle it’s been stimulated to. Anyway, it’s annoying as I have trouble watching even half a movie with my wife.
Simply taking a walk outside is now a chore. Not cardiovascular-wise, but lactic acid wise… my calves get pumped to hell from the slightest hill over 30’ long!
It’s funny because I’m definitely not fat. I still have a six pack, but I do feel like a 400lbs obese woman almost dying from shopping at Walmart![/quote]
thats awesome.
are you coming to NYC? if yes Marko and I are taking you for dinner
let me know
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
pumped340 wrote:
lol
Any chance of before and after pics of you CT? I’d be interested to see what you look like now at almost 250 on a 5’8 body while still having abs.
Actually I just got off the phone with Tim Patterson and he is scheduling a photo shoot with Brian Moss in 2 weeks.
BTW, Brian Moss is the guy who took the picture of Frank that you use for your avatar.[/quote]
Hey Doug Flutie is 5’8 amd kicked ass in the Canadian League, and did well in the NFL too.
Which training protocol is this?
Hi Coach Thibaudeau,
Preworkout 30-60 minutes before 1 scoop Power Drive and one Spike Shooter
Warm-up and foam rolling continue drinking water.
Weights 1/2 serving Surge Recovery. About one hour of lifting sipped throughout. Currently on Alwyn Cosgrove’s new rules of lifting fatloss routines) water down the remaining Surge and do HIIT 1 minute rounds with two minutes moderate.
Then I’ll mix up 1/2 serving Surge Recovery, creatine 3-5grams, 1 scoop Power Drive and 1 scoop Superfood.
Comments? Things to consider, add or do differently?
Thank you in advance as seeing your body transformation and articles are very inspiring to me.
Also considering getting Surge Workout Fuel can you let me know the best protocol and i hope Anaconda comes out! I’m very interested in this para workout nutrition and pulsing while considering getting more things to optimize the results and effects. Thanks.
My former Biosig dude told me a few months ago that heavy metal toxicity can impede fat loss. Is there a way to test for heavy metal toxicity? What kind of protocol would you recommend to alleviate any toxicity?
Thanks again.