Question for the Warmongers

[quote]method_man wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

That black people would have killed their masters is highly unlikely in the light of historical precedents and even though thankful would probably be to much to ask for, given that the people who freed the slaves are long dead now, you could acknowledge that slavery was a given for all of mankind’s history until white Europeans ended it.

Not because they were forced from the outside, but because they thought it was the right thing to do. [/quote]

A thread about slavery would be another thread. But since you asked, there would have unquestionably been a slave rebellion, and considering the amount of both legal and illegal arms in the US,it would have been very violent.
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Pick up a history book. There WERE slave rebellions, and they all failed miserably. And if a large enough rebellion had taken place, and slavery was still an accepted practice, the US military would have gotten involved, against the slaves. But go ahead, keep your delusions and ignore the facts that if it hadn’t been for whites who viewed slavery as wrong, you’d still be picking cotton.

[quote]orion wrote:

As in, they would have stringed them up along the Via Appia to be a warning to others?[/quote]

As in, the ruthless oppression would have culminated into organized, violent, armed slave rebellions.

[quote]benos4752 wrote:

Pick up a history book. There WERE slave rebellions, and they all failed miserably. And if a large enough rebellion had taken place, and slavery was still an accepted practice, the US military would have gotten involved, against the slaves. But go ahead, keep your delusions and ignore the facts that if it hadn’t been for whites who viewed slavery as wrong, you’d still be picking cotton.
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Yeah right, and then you woke up. We would have unleashed wrath and fury on this country that would have made the LA riots look like a day in the park.

[quote]method_man wrote:

[quote]benos4752 wrote:

Pick up a history book. There WERE slave rebellions, and they all failed miserably. And if a large enough rebellion had taken place, and slavery was still an accepted practice, the US military would have gotten involved, against the slaves. But go ahead, keep your delusions and ignore the facts that if it hadn’t been for whites who viewed slavery as wrong, you’d still be picking cotton.
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Yeah right, and then you woke up. We would have unleashed wrath and fury on this country that would have made the LA riots look like a day in the park.
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Yes.

You would have clobbered them with farm equipment and cotton balls.

[quote]orion wrote:

You would have clobbered them with farm equipment and cotton balls.
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You clearly would need weapons seeing as though we dominate boxing and football. Drop the guns and you all would get your asses crushed by the black fist. And we would get weapons eventually the same way underground guerrilla armies get them. Or is that too fantastic for you?

[quote]method_man wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

You would have clobbered them with farm equipment and cotton balls.
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You clearly would need weapons seeing as though we dominate boxing and football. Drop the guns and you all would get your asses crushed by the black fist. And we would get weapons eventually the same way underground guerrilla armies get them. Or is that too fantastic for you?
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Yes.

Because I know how most slave rebellions turned out.

A cowed unarmed people against trained soldiers?

Via Appia, anyone?

Hardly anyone in the armed forces in America today joined for the main reason of protecting their country. I say this as someone who’s been involved with an infantry soldier for 4 years and spent time hanging out with his buddies. I’ve had a lot of conversations with them about this and have heard first hand why they joined. The main reasons cited are that it paid for school, it seemed like it would be a once-in-a-lifetime adventure, they wanted a job where they could work with guns (I’m not making this up), they thought it’d be cool, they wanted to prove to themselves that they could do it, and they didn’t know what else to do after high school. Most didn’t think they’d end up in a gun fight, although being infantry, most of his buddies did.

If it wasn’t for the GI bill and the glorified, highly romanticized visions of being in the armed forces provided by the media, I don’t think we’d have an army.

[quote]Oleena wrote:
Hardly anyone in the armed forces in America today joined for the main reason of protecting their country. [/quote]

I did.

[quote]2busy wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:
Hardly anyone in the armed forces in America today joined for the main reason of protecting their country. [/quote]

I did.
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You are one of the few. When and why did you join? What inspired you?

[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]2busy wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:
Hardly anyone in the armed forces in America today joined for the main reason of protecting their country. [/quote]

I did.
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You are one of the few. When and why did you join? What inspired you?[/quote]

Joined Army Reserves in 1980. Served 6 years.

Actually wanted to be an officer, got a West Point nomination but failed to clear medical. I had a major accident when I was 15 in which I sustained major internal injuries.

West Point wanted undamaged goods.

I had high enough ACT and SAT scores to where I had a full ride scholarship for school, didn’t need the military to help.

Took 3 tries to clear medical for Reserves, did college ROTC because I wanted to still be an officer.

I dont know about your statement Oleena. Let us not forget that we have an all volunteer military now. I can understand if one was drafted or had to serve like in many other countries. I joined at 17 and did not at once consider to join for the money nor GI bill, I guess you can say it was for a noble cause. The military is a tool for politicians to use, but let us not forget that there has always been war and there will always will be war. Why not reward those who do join through benefits and so on.

To method woman, yeah those things that happen in war are necessary evils my friend. Would you not do the same thing to whitey if you where a slave to them? But with a pitchfork it would be more inhumane then with a bullet, correct?

[quote]2busy wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]2busy wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:
Hardly anyone in the armed forces in America today joined for the main reason of protecting their country. [/quote]

I did.
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You are one of the few. When and why did you join? What inspired you?[/quote]

Joined Army Reserves in 1980. Served 6 years.

Actually wanted to be an officer, got a West Point nomination but failed to clear medical. I had a major accident when I was 15 in which I sustained major internal injuries.

West Point wanted undamaged goods.

I had high enough ACT and SAT scores to where I had a full ride scholarship for school, didn’t need the military to help.

Took 3 tries to clear medical for Reserves, did college ROTC because I wanted to still be an officer.[/quote]

This is so interesting!!! You are the FOURTH person I’ve talked to who wanted to join for the main reason of serving their country, but had a medical condition that prevented them! The first had misshapen legs, the second was a kid I used to work with who developed a seizure disorder a year before he was going to graduate high school, and the third was my little brother, who developed scoliosis.

[quote]jre67t wrote:

I dont know about your statement Oleena. Let us not forget that we have an all volunteer military now. I can understand if one was drafted or had to serve like in many other countries. I joined at 17 and did not at once consider to join for the money nor GI bill, I guess you can say it was for a noble cause. The military is a tool for politicians to use, but let us not forget that there has always been war and there will always will be war. Why not reward those who do join through benefits and so on.
To method woman, yeah those things that happen in war are necessary evils my friend. Would you not do the same thing to whitey if you where a slave to them? But with a pitchfork it would be more inhumane then with a bullet, correct? [/quote]

What was your inspiration for joining? What did you picture before you joined, when you thought about what it would be like to be a part of the military?

BTW, I’m not saying that the military isn’t necessary or that those who serve shouldn’t be rewarded. BUT, there are many other public service jobs which get no reward and have no honor attached to them and I feel like a traitor to those people when I say “You deserve all this money and respect” to those who joined the military to have an adventure, while those who chose to teach kids in dangerous neighborhoods, and help widowed women with aids in Africa receive none of the same honor or monetary reward. I just think the priories are unbalanced.

If there was no respect paid (monetary or otherwise) to soldiers and no honor associated with having been in war, how many less people do you think would choose it for themselves?

For some reason it was something I had always looked up too, I joined ROTC in Middle school along with High School and it just felt natural to me. It just felt like a natural thing to me. Most cultures around the world harbor men to be warriors and leaders from a young age. I picture just what I got tough and hard but once you pass the mustard you are part of the brotherhood. It’s like joining a gang. It’s about the honor, respect and the many other things that come with it.
I do agree with you on the aspect that we volunteer so we should not get no extra attention, in my opinion I sometimes think we overdo it on that aspect. Please do not bash me on this but I compare it too when the NFL has it’s breast cancer awareness month in October. One week is okay, but when it is done for a whole month I feel it is somewhat devalued.
Also respect would be paid to them regardless if they got paid. I sorta equate it too when a guy joins a gang and now since he is a bad boy the girls like him and the boys respect him.

[quote]jre67t wrote:

For some reason it was something I had always looked up too, I joined ROTC in Middle school along with High School and it just felt natural to me. It just felt like a natural thing to me. Most cultures around the world harbor men to be warriors and leaders from a young age. I picture just what I got tough and hard but once you pass the mustard you are part of the brotherhood. It’s like joining a gang. It’s about the honor, respect and the many other things that come with it.
I do agree with you on the aspect that we volunteer so we should not get no extra attention, in my opinion I sometimes think we overdo it on that aspect. Please do not bash me on this but I compare it too when the NFL has it’s breast cancer awareness month in October. One week is okay, but when it is done for a whole month I feel it is somewhat devalued.
Also respect would be paid to them regardless if they got paid. I sorta equate it too when a guy joins a gang and now since he is a bad boy the girls like him and the boys respect him.[/quote]

Exactly :slight_smile: You said that better than me.

I don’t think you can overdo respect; you can only under do it in comparison in some cases. I don’t think the military guys should get less; but the other public servants who place themselves in danger should get it too.

[quote]method_man wrote:<<< I think what you are getting at is the notion that us blacks should be grateful that the white men ended slavery? >>>[/quote] What I was getting at was that there will be wars where, carnage be damned, you will support them. I dare you to dispute that. [quote]method_man wrote:<<< You would have never kept us down: >>>[/quote]Look pal. Don’t gimme your lynch mob crap. You’re a pathetic bitter racist hater with a big mouth on an internet forum. You’re about as scary as this guy. And don’t you dare say “YOU” would never have kept us down. I am the very least racist human being you will ever run across. The people nearest and dearest to me on this earth, outside of my wife and children are black MEN in my church. A couple I would be proud to have as a mate for my blonde n blue pale white daughter.

MEN who see themselves as MEN first, created in the image of God. Husbands next, fathers after that and oh yeah, black somewhere in there too. Unlike you who are a disgrace to your race and humanity in general. That hatred will kill you and poison anybody foolish enough to get close to you. People who hate like you do are incapable of really loving ANYBODY. I am not your enemy. YOU ARE. So keep your idiotic, brain dead videos for yourself.