[quote]IPB wrote:
At the end of the day it takes special people who are willing to make sacrifices in their lives so you can sit at home and post about war mongering.[/quote]
This is on par with “you would all speak German now”.
Yes, they Taliban would have saddled their mighty aquatic warhorses and would have conquered mainland US.
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It astounds me how you can read something and then make a comment that has absolutely no bearing on what was said. Either that or you’re trying to say that people in the armed forces are not making sacrifices for the greater good, if that’s the case then you truly have a warped sense of reality.[/quote]
They sacrifice for what they believe to be the greater good of a rather random group of people.
Which is quite a lot of qualifiers for something which is supposedly so black and white.
Also, their sheer existence makes it possible to take away what they supposedly protect quite easily. [/quote]
So lets step back and look at this…what they believe to be the greater good, and for the sake of argument we’ll use your “you would all be speaking German now” line from up above.
So are you saying that you believe all of the people that sacrificed in WW II didn’t do it for the greater good?
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No, he’s saying in a world of 7.5 billion people there are 7.5 billion different definitions of “greater good”.[/quote]
That too, but not having all of Europe goose stepping around is something most people would probably agree on.
I do have an issue with what seems to be a flagrant disrespect for those that serve their countries. It doesn’t matter what country a soldier calls home he/she is making a sacrifice for something that he/she believes in and holds dear.
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Torquemada arguably sacrificed for what he believed in and held dear.
Suicide bombers sacrifice for something they believe in and hold dear.
Suicide bombers sacrifice for something they believe in and hold dear. [/quote]
Another load of bullshit from our resident antisemite austraian arsehole.
Examples of kids being forced to suicide bomb abound.
Read up, don’t forget to attend your psychothearpy sessions sweetie.[/quote]
Well, if this is true, they are sacrificed for someone else believes in, which puts them in the same position like an American or Russian soldier in WWII.
[quote]IPB wrote:
At the end of the day it takes special people who are willing to make sacrifices in their lives so you can sit at home and post about war mongering.[/quote]
This is on par with “you would all speak German now”.
Yes, they Taliban would have saddled their mighty aquatic warhorses and would have conquered mainland US.
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It astounds me how you can read something and then make a comment that has absolutely no bearing on what was said. Either that or you’re trying to say that people in the armed forces are not making sacrifices for the greater good, if that’s the case then you truly have a warped sense of reality.[/quote]
They sacrifice for what they believe to be the greater good of a rather random group of people.
Which is quite a lot of qualifiers for something which is supposedly so black and white.
Also, their sheer existence makes it possible to take away what they supposedly protect quite easily. [/quote]
So lets step back and look at this…what they believe to be the greater good, and for the sake of argument we’ll use your “you would all be speaking German now” line from up above.
So are you saying that you believe all of the people that sacrificed in WW II didn’t do it for the greater good?
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No, he’s saying in a world of 7.5 billion people there are 7.5 billion different definitions of “greater good”.[/quote]
That too, but not having all of Europe goose stepping around is something most people would probably agree on. [/quote]
Would almost be like how China goose steps around now.
Suicide bombers sacrifice for something they believe in and hold dear. [/quote]
Another load of bullshit from our resident antisemite austraian arsehole.
Examples of kids being forced to suicide bomb abound.
Read up, don’t forget to attend your psychothearpy sessions sweetie.[/quote]
Well, if this is true, they are sacrificed for someone else believes in, which puts them in the same position like an American or Russian soldier in WWII.
Off your meds again?
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Bullshit again.
My family members fought to stop the Japanese from invading australia.
You know, like yours wanted to take over the world.
Suicide bombers sacrifice for something they believe in and hold dear. [/quote]
Another load of bullshit from our resident antisemite austraian arsehole.
Examples of kids being forced to suicide bomb abound.
Read up, don’t forget to attend your psychothearpy sessions sweetie.[/quote]
Well, if this is true, they are sacrificed for someone else believes in, which puts them in the same position like an American or Russian soldier in WWII.
Off your meds again?
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Bullshit again.
My family members fought to stop the Japanese from invading australia.
You know, like yours wanted to take over the world.
Hitting the botle again?[/quote]
Not today, no.
Oh my, it looks those people where pressed into “serving” their country !?!
[quote]method_man wrote:<<< Do you think, if real life war images like this were shown on American television would the American public would let the American government carry on these wars?[/quote]I think every war is gruesome and no matter how many photographs of dismembered disemboweled casualties of the civil war you were shown you would still think it was worth it.
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I think what you are getting at is the notion that us blacks should be grateful that the white men ended slavery? I say bullshit on that. We would have eventually killed our slave masters and then some. And for you to compare the American Civil War on a pretense of freeing African slaves to bullshit police actions in Iraq and now maybe Iran is also ridiculous.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I saw some Vietnam photo’s that I am sure would be classified[/quote]
I have seen Desert (for all the little BITCHES on this board who love to pick on typos and MISS the point of a post) Storm pics that would also be classified. It’s gory stuff. Also kind of pointless when you consider that Desert Storm I was fought over Saddam allegedly being Hitler. And Desert Storm 2 was over non-existent WMD… I also believe that our troops were exposed to a lot more than the media told us about.
[quote]method_man wrote:<<< Do you think, if real life war images like this were shown on American television would the American public would let the American government carry on these wars?[/quote]I think every war is gruesome and no matter how many photographs of dismembered disemboweled casualties of the civil war you were shown you would still think it was worth it.
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There is truth here.
War is not pretty, it is not fun, it’s a dirty ugly thing, and in my opinion the vast majority of civilians should not see the bulk of what happens. They simply do not understand what a soldier goes through in a hostile situation. They don’t see the civilians pleading for help and then detonating themselves to inflict casualties on troops, nor do they understand the psychological impact this has on troops. As a veteran with friend how have done multiple tours and some with PTSD I can tell you no one wants this. At the end of the day it takes special people who are willing to make sacrifices in their lives so you can sit at home and post about war mongering.[/quote]
I never saw any threat from Iraq coming to the US for one. And for two, the reasons for the second Desert Storm were all bullshit: the non-existent WMD, the implied ties to 9/11,etc.
As for tours, I grew up in a warzone, so I know all about killings and shit like that. It was not that uncommon to see them in broad daylight, brains on the side walk if it was a head shot,etc. This on top of me having relatives that served there makes me more sensitive to the idea of killing for the right reasons.
[quote]pat wrote:
War sucks, it always had and it always will. That won’t stop them from happening. Modern western culture is already the least tolerant of war. We already no long fight war in the same way as we used to. We westerners are the only people in the history of the world who tried to simultaneously fight a war and minimize the casualties. It’s actually a new and bizarre concept.
No showing gross pictures of people getting blown to bits won’t stop war anymore than showing what a real abortion looks like, stops people from doing that.
You can fucking forget about leaving Afghanistan anytime soon. The only cash product it has is opium. As long as that’s illegal and not considered a legitimate cash crop, that area is going to go to the most violent bidder. It has no centralized economy, because it doesn’t have resources anybody wants. No resources, no money. No money, it’s very, very hard to maintain a centralized government. No centralized government, the area will be ruled by the most violent. That’s a mistake we cannot afford to make twice. We’re going to be camped there a while and it won’t matter who’s in charge.
What’s interesting about Iraq, is that it is seeming to transform that region… Originally I was against it, but I am starting to rethink my position. I had this discussion with some soldiers who did multiple tours there and it was an eye opening conversation… [/quote]
If you remember Desert Storm I, the pictures shown to the American public were essentially hand picked for a reason. All we hear about on the news are things like “collateral damage”. “friendly fire” and other nonsense. You mean to tell me if the American public were shown pictures of what actually happens over there instead of these asinine buzzwords that more protestors wouldn’t get riled up? I think the soccer moms would shit themselves. Why hide reality?
[quote]method_man wrote:<<< Do you think, if real life war images like this were shown on American television would the American public would let the American government carry on these wars?[/quote]I think every war is gruesome and no matter how many photographs of dismembered disemboweled casualties of the civil war you were shown you would still think it was worth it.
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I think what you are getting at is the notion that us blacks should be grateful that the white men ended slavery? I say bullshit on that. We would have eventually killed our slave masters and then some. And for you to compare the American Civil War on a pretense of freeing African slaves to bullshit police actions in Iraq and now maybe Iran is also ridiculous.
That black people would have killed their masters is highly unlikely in the light of historical precedents and even though thankful would probably be to much to ask for, given that the people who freed the slaves are long dead now, you could acknowledge that slavery was a given for all of mankind’s history until white Europeans ended it.
Not because they were forced from the outside, but because they thought it was the right thing to do.
That black people would have killed their masters is highly unlikely in the light of historical precedents and even though thankful would probably be to much to ask for, given that the people who freed the slaves are long dead now, you could acknowledge that slavery was a given for all of mankind’s history until white Europeans ended it.
Not because they were forced from the outside, but because they thought it was the right thing to do. [/quote]
A thread about slavery would be another thread. But since you asked, there would have unquestionably been a slave rebellion, and considering the amount of both legal and illegal arms in the US,it would have been very violent.
That black people would have killed their masters is highly unlikely in the light of historical precedents and even though thankful would probably be to much to ask for, given that the people who freed the slaves are long dead now, you could acknowledge that slavery was a given for all of mankind’s history until white Europeans ended it.
Not because they were forced from the outside, but because they thought it was the right thing to do. [/quote]
A thread about slavery would be another thread. But since you asked, there would have unquestionably been a slave rebellion, and considering the amount of both legal and illegal arms in the US,it would have been very violent.
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As in, they would have stringed them up along the Via Appia to be a warning to others?
