[quote]MattyXL wrote:
it seems pretty simple to me, if the OP wants to feel his chest more for the effect of Chest development I would fatigue the synergistic muscles that may take some of the pressure off the pecs doing the work. If the goal is chest development and not weight lifted it seems to me to be the way to go. I dont understand why you would want to fatigue the muscle that you are trying to stimulate.[/quote]
Hey…I said that at first…but it took a whole site of guys screaming I’m wrong before anyone listened.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
it seems pretty simple to me, if the OP wants to feel his chest more for the effect of Chest development I would fatigue the synergistic muscles that may take some of the pressure off the pecs doing the work. If the goal is chest development and not weight lifted it seems to me to be the way to go. I dont understand why you would want to fatigue the muscle that you are trying to stimulate.[/quote]
Hey…I said that at first…but it took a whole site of guys screaming I’m wrong before anyone listened.
its the CAPS LOCK bro! it offends people lol!
Apparently, I’m so wrong…I’m right.[/quote]
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Lol, it seems like there are 2 schools of thought on this, I happen to agree with the 1st 3 pages of people.
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
do you use 300 lbs when fresh as well as fatigued? if so that’s impressive
If I’m benching with a focus on the pecs I just widen my grip, reduce the ROM to the bottom half, and focus on squeezing the pecs. I don’t worry much about getting crushed unless I’m doing more of a PL style bench and am going for lower reps + heavier weight[/quote]
Dude, if you bench 300 and your chest isn’t at least pretty big, my guess is you don’t have a great muscle mind connection either.[/quote]
I never said my chest wasn’t big lol. I’m just trying to improve it and more importantly improve my MMC![/quote]
That wasn’t directed at you…but yeah, pushing 300 with a small chest implies weak mind muscle connection.[/quote]
Absolutely. I see several dudes in the gym that push a respectable amount of weight on bench and have very little chest development.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
it seems pretty simple to me, if the OP wants to feel his chest more for the effect of Chest development I would fatigue the synergistic muscles that may take some of the pressure off the pecs doing the work. If the goal is chest development and not weight lifted it seems to me to be the way to go. I dont understand why you would want to fatigue the muscle that you are trying to stimulate.[/quote]
Hey…I said that at first…but it took a whole site of guys screaming I’m wrong before anyone listened.
its the CAPS LOCK bro! it offends people lol!
Apparently, I’m so wrong…I’m right.[/quote]
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Lol, it seems like there are 2 schools of thought on this, I happen to agree with the 1st 3 pages of people. [/quote]
LOL. The first 3 pages were bitching about what to call it and fussing over a decrease in strength in the first workout…which means they MISSED the point.
lol I bench less than 300, but 405 for reps is pretty awesome op
I guess I don’t see this whole huge quest for an mmc, I developed mine easily from just doing things like DB flies, then mimicking the movement essentially on a bench press. For me it’s impossible not to feel my chest stretch and contract if I’m doing a wide bb bench. The same would go for pullovers → close grip pulldowns and BB rows to the hip
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
do you use 300 lbs when fresh as well as fatigued? if so that’s impressive
If I’m benching with a focus on the pecs I just widen my grip, reduce the ROM to the bottom half, and focus on squeezing the pecs. I don’t worry much about getting crushed unless I’m doing more of a PL style bench and am going for lower reps + heavier weight[/quote]
Dude, if you bench 300 and your chest isn’t at least pretty big, my guess is you don’t have a great muscle mind connection either.[/quote]
I never said my chest wasn’t big lol. I’m just trying to improve it and more importantly improve my MMC![/quote]
That wasn’t directed at you…but yeah, pushing 300 with a small chest implies weak mind muscle connection.[/quote]
Absolutely. I see several dudes in the gym that push a respectable amount of weight on bench and have very little chest development.[/quote]
I am guessing they would also “laugh” at this advice…even though it helped me and others work on that mind muscle connection.
People get trapped by what they THINK is truth. They will fight to death to defend an article…while laughing at the swole fucker right next to them who did something because it felt right without a scientific article…
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
lol I bench less than 300, but 405 for reps is pretty awesome op
I guess I don’t see this whole huge quest for an mmc, I developed mine easily from just doing things like DB flies, then mimicking the movement essentially on a bench press. For me it’s impossible not to feel my chest stretch and contract if I’m doing a wide bb bench. The same would go for pullovers → close grip pulldowns and BB rows to the hip[/quote]
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
it seems pretty simple to me, if the OP wants to feel his chest more for the effect of Chest development I would fatigue the synergistic muscles that may take some of the pressure off the pecs doing the work. If the goal is chest development and not weight lifted it seems to me to be the way to go. I dont understand why you would want to fatigue the muscle that you are trying to stimulate.[/quote]
Hey…I said that at first…but it took a whole site of guys screaming I’m wrong before anyone listened.
Apparently, I’m so wrong…I’m right.[/quote]
its the CAPS LOCK bro! it offends people lol!
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LOL.
But the OP got it right off.
LOL at the mob mentality and then none admitting they might have been wrong themselves.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
People get trapped by what they THINK is truth. They will fight to death to defend an article…while laughing at the swole fucker right next to them who did something because it felt right without a scientific article…[/quote]
So is the ‘traditional’ approach, fatiguing the target muscles (pecs), incorrect? You seem to be implying that it doesn’t work in terms of stimulating chest hypertrophy?
I think my chest would get lackluster workouts because my triceps would be failing a lot earlier.
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Oh…You THINK so.
What do you think would happen if you forced your chest to adapt over time?
What do you THINK would happen then?[/quote]
He’s saying…how would his chest adapt if he triceps keep failing before his chest is fully worked?
I’m wondering the same thing.
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It would require me to fix the mechanics of the lift, meaning I’m able to focus more on my MMC with my chest while pressing. I don’t see why I can’t just focus on the mechanics of the lift without pre exhausting my triceps.
Either way, at this point it’s all talking in circles. And no one has more puppy dog energy to talk in circles for days and years on end than PX, so you guys have fun with that.
I think my chest would get lackluster workouts because my triceps would be failing a lot earlier.
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Oh…You THINK so.
What do you think would happen if you forced your chest to adapt over time?
What do you THINK would happen then?[/quote]
He’s saying…how would his chest adapt if he triceps keep failing before his chest is fully worked?
I’m wondering the same thing.
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By forcing his chest to get stronger?[/quote]
How will my chest get stronger if my triceps fatigue first? My triceps would need to get stronger in order to force my chest to grow because in that scenario my body wouldn’t need to make my chest adapt. It’s strong enough for the loads lifted.
You pre-fatigue a muscle so it is the first muscle to fail in a lift.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
People get trapped by what they THINK is truth. They will fight to death to defend an article…while laughing at the swole fucker right next to them who did something because it felt right without a scientific article…[/quote]
So is the ‘traditional’ approach, fatiguing the target muscles (pecs), incorrect? You seem to be implying that it doesn’t work in terms of stimulating chest hypertrophy?
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I didn’t say that. I said acting like what I wrote is WRING makes no sense.
You can do what you want…but if I was focused on teaching someone a mind muscle connection, which in my opinion is what is wrong with MOST of these guys, I would choose the way I just wrote about.
The way you wrote it it would seem that a mind muscle connection is not the issue.
I think my chest would get lackluster workouts because my triceps would be failing a lot earlier.
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Oh…You THINK so.
What do you think would happen if you forced your chest to adapt over time?
What do you THINK would happen then?[/quote]
He’s saying…how would his chest adapt if he triceps keep failing before his chest is fully worked?
I’m wondering the same thing.
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It would require me to fix the mechanics of the lift, meaning I’m able to focus more on my MMC with my chest while pressing. I don’t see why I can’t just focus on the mechanics of the lift without pre exhausting my triceps.
Either way, at this point it’s all talking in circles. And no one has more puppy dog energy to talk in circles for days and years on end than PX, so you guys have fun with that. :)[/quote]
LOL. I haven’t even posted here in days. All of you seem more intent on proving me wrong than helping anyone.
