Question About Pre-Fatiguing

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Actually Brachialis is the primary arm flexor so they are heavily involved with curls. And, yeah they technically aren’t forearm muscles, but being a muscle which is significantly involved in elbow flexion and yet not the desired muscle to develop during curls (just as triceps brachii or the deltoids are significantly involved in bench press, but not the desired muscle of focus) the analogy still holds true.

My guess is that X was talking about either the brachioradialis or the brachialis when he was talking about pre fatiguing his forearms before working his biceps (but maybe I’m wrong), which makes sense in the same way as working the shoulders or triceps before doing bench press (to force the pecs to do more of the work).

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Actually Brachialis is the primary arm flexor so they are heavily involved with curls. And, yeah they technically aren’t forearm muscles, but being a muscle which is significantly involved in elbow flexion and yet not the desired muscle to develop during curls (just as triceps brachii or the deltoids are significantly involved in bench press, but not the desired muscle of focus) the analogy still holds true.

My guess is that X was talking about either the brachioradialis or the brachialis when he was talking about pre fatiguing his forearms before working his biceps (but maybe I’m wrong), which makes sense in the same way as working the shoulders or triceps before doing bench press (to force the pecs to do more of the work).[/quote]

That is exactly what I have been talking about especially since I have mentioned for years the injury of my brachioradialis. I also wrote how “pre-fatiguing” that muscle helped me add more size to my biceps after quite a while of being limited by it.

As you can see, way too many here seem content with missing the concept by a mile just to make jokes.

I think I went into a lot of detail about that years ago in that Prof X thread.

Funny how many here thought this was nonsense…

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Actually Brachialis is the primary arm flexor so they are heavily involved with curls. And, yeah they technically aren’t forearm muscles, but being a muscle which is significantly involved in elbow flexion and yet not the desired muscle to develop during curls (just as triceps brachii or the deltoids are significantly involved in bench press, but not the desired muscle of focus) the analogy still holds true.

My guess is that X was talking about either the brachioradialis or the brachialis when he was talking about pre fatiguing his forearms before working his biceps (but maybe I’m wrong), which makes sense in the same way as working the shoulders or triceps before doing bench press (to force the pecs to do more of the work).[/quote]

That is exactly what I have been talking about especially since I have mentioned for years the injury of my brachioradialis. I also wrote how “pre-fatiguing” that muscle helped me add more size to my biceps after quite a while of being limited by it.

As you can see, way too many here seem content with missing the concept by a mile just to make jokes.

I think I went into a lot of detail about that years ago in that Prof X thread.

Funny how many here thought this was nonsense…[/quote]

Yes prefatiguing radialis for muscle gains is quite nonsense. It is like pre fatiguing calves before leg press for quad development.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Actually Brachialis is the primary arm flexor so they are heavily involved with curls. And, yeah they technically aren’t forearm muscles, but being a muscle which is significantly involved in elbow flexion and yet not the desired muscle to develop during curls (just as triceps brachii or the deltoids are significantly involved in bench press, but not the desired muscle of focus) the analogy still holds true.

My guess is that X was talking about either the brachioradialis or the brachialis when he was talking about pre fatiguing his forearms before working his biceps (but maybe I’m wrong), which makes sense in the same way as working the shoulders or triceps before doing bench press (to force the pecs to do more of the work).[/quote]

That is exactly what I have been talking about especially since I have mentioned for years the injury of my brachioradialis. I also wrote how “pre-fatiguing” that muscle helped me add more size to my biceps after quite a while of being limited by it.

As you can see, way too many here seem content with missing the concept by a mile just to make jokes.

I think I went into a lot of detail about that years ago in that Prof X thread.

Funny how many here thought this was nonsense…[/quote]

About as funny as how you thought the other way was nonsense.

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[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Actually Brachialis is the primary arm flexor so they are heavily involved with curls. And, yeah they technically aren’t forearm muscles, but being a muscle which is significantly involved in elbow flexion and yet not the desired muscle to develop during curls (just as triceps brachii or the deltoids are significantly involved in bench press, but not the desired muscle of focus) the analogy still holds true.

My guess is that X was talking about either the brachioradialis or the brachialis when he was talking about pre fatiguing his forearms before working his biceps (but maybe I’m wrong), which makes sense in the same way as working the shoulders or triceps before doing bench press (to force the pecs to do more of the work).[/quote]

That is exactly what I have been talking about especially since I have mentioned for years the injury of my brachioradialis. I also wrote how “pre-fatiguing” that muscle helped me add more size to my biceps after quite a while of being limited by it.

As you can see, way too many here seem content with missing the concept by a mile just to make jokes.

I think I went into a lot of detail about that years ago in that Prof X thread.

Funny how many here thought this was nonsense…[/quote]

About as funny as how you thought the other way was nonsense.[/quote]

I haven’t even logged in here since Saturday…and you are still keeping this up.

That’s pretty damn sad, son.

I never thought the other way was nonsense. I hadn’t even heard of the other way until this thread…and I still got bigger than you.

Enjoy pushing this to another 10 pages.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Actually Brachialis is the primary arm flexor so they are heavily involved with curls. And, yeah they technically aren’t forearm muscles, but being a muscle which is significantly involved in elbow flexion and yet not the desired muscle to develop during curls (just as triceps brachii or the deltoids are significantly involved in bench press, but not the desired muscle of focus) the analogy still holds true.

My guess is that X was talking about either the brachioradialis or the brachialis when he was talking about pre fatiguing his forearms before working his biceps (but maybe I’m wrong), which makes sense in the same way as working the shoulders or triceps before doing bench press (to force the pecs to do more of the work).[/quote]

That is exactly what I have been talking about especially since I have mentioned for years the injury of my brachioradialis. I also wrote how “pre-fatiguing” that muscle helped me add more size to my biceps after quite a while of being limited by it.

As you can see, way too many here seem content with missing the concept by a mile just to make jokes.

I think I went into a lot of detail about that years ago in that Prof X thread.

Funny how many here thought this was nonsense…[/quote]

About as funny as how you thought the other way was nonsense.[/quote]

I haven’t even logged in here since Saturday…and you are still keeping this up.

That’s pretty damn sad, son.

I never thought the other way was nonsense. I hadn’t even heard of the other way until this thread…and I still got bigger than you.

Enjoy pushing this to another 10 pages.[/quote]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
That is why pre-exhausting chest on CHEST DAY makes little sense.[/quote]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
That is why pre-exhausting chest on CHEST DAY makes little sense.[/quote]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
That is why pre-exhausting chest on CHEST DAY makes little sense.[/quote]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
That is why pre-exhausting chest on CHEST DAY makes little sense.[/quote]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
That is why pre-exhausting chest on CHEST DAY makes little sense.[/quote]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
That is why pre-exhausting chest on CHEST DAY makes little sense.[/quote]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
That is why pre-exhausting chest on CHEST DAY makes little sense.[/quote]

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[quote]NikH wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Actually Brachialis is the primary arm flexor so they are heavily involved with curls. And, yeah they technically aren’t forearm muscles, but being a muscle which is significantly involved in elbow flexion and yet not the desired muscle to develop during curls (just as triceps brachii or the deltoids are significantly involved in bench press, but not the desired muscle of focus) the analogy still holds true.

My guess is that X was talking about either the brachioradialis or the brachialis when he was talking about pre fatiguing his forearms before working his biceps (but maybe I’m wrong), which makes sense in the same way as working the shoulders or triceps before doing bench press (to force the pecs to do more of the work).[/quote]

That is exactly what I have been talking about especially since I have mentioned for years the injury of my brachioradialis. I also wrote how “pre-fatiguing” that muscle helped me add more size to my biceps after quite a while of being limited by it.

As you can see, way too many here seem content with missing the concept by a mile just to make jokes.

I think I went into a lot of detail about that years ago in that Prof X thread.

Funny how many here thought this was nonsense…[/quote]

Yes prefatiguing radialis for muscle gains is quite nonsense. It is like pre fatiguing calves before leg press for quad development.
[/quote]

Uh…"radialis is not the same as “brachioradialis”.

Wow.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

I never thought the other way was nonsense.[/quote]

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
That is why pre-exhausting chest on CHEST DAY makes little sense.[/quote]

LOL

Edit:

Hahaha, SS. I don’t think It’ll matter, though.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]NikH wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Actually Brachialis is the primary arm flexor so they are heavily involved with curls. And, yeah they technically aren’t forearm muscles, but being a muscle which is significantly involved in elbow flexion and yet not the desired muscle to develop during curls (just as triceps brachii or the deltoids are significantly involved in bench press, but not the desired muscle of focus) the analogy still holds true.

My guess is that X was talking about either the brachioradialis or the brachialis when he was talking about pre fatiguing his forearms before working his biceps (but maybe I’m wrong), which makes sense in the same way as working the shoulders or triceps before doing bench press (to force the pecs to do more of the work).[/quote]

That is exactly what I have been talking about especially since I have mentioned for years the injury of my brachioradialis. I also wrote how “pre-fatiguing” that muscle helped me add more size to my biceps after quite a while of being limited by it.

As you can see, way too many here seem content with missing the concept by a mile just to make jokes.

I think I went into a lot of detail about that years ago in that Prof X thread.

Funny how many here thought this was nonsense…[/quote]

Yes prefatiguing radialis for muscle gains is quite nonsense. It is like pre fatiguing calves before leg press for quad development.
[/quote]

Uh…"radialis is not the same as “brachioradialis”.

Wow.[/quote]

I am sorry for the confusion. Next time I quote you say brachioradialis, I make sure to write brachioradialis so you understand we are talking about the same thing.

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[quote]NikH wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]NikH wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Actually Brachialis is the primary arm flexor so they are heavily involved with curls. And, yeah they technically aren’t forearm muscles, but being a muscle which is significantly involved in elbow flexion and yet not the desired muscle to develop during curls (just as triceps brachii or the deltoids are significantly involved in bench press, but not the desired muscle of focus) the analogy still holds true.

My guess is that X was talking about either the brachioradialis or the brachialis when he was talking about pre fatiguing his forearms before working his biceps (but maybe I’m wrong), which makes sense in the same way as working the shoulders or triceps before doing bench press (to force the pecs to do more of the work).[/quote]

That is exactly what I have been talking about especially since I have mentioned for years the injury of my brachioradialis. I also wrote how “pre-fatiguing” that muscle helped me add more size to my biceps after quite a while of being limited by it.

As you can see, way too many here seem content with missing the concept by a mile just to make jokes.

I think I went into a lot of detail about that years ago in that Prof X thread.

Funny how many here thought this was nonsense…[/quote]

Yes prefatiguing radialis for muscle gains is quite nonsense. It is like pre fatiguing calves before leg press for quad development.
[/quote]

Uh…"radialis is not the same as “brachioradialis”.

Wow.[/quote]

I am sorry for the confusion. Next time I quote you say brachioradialis, I make sure to write brachioradialis so you understand we are talking about the same thing.[/quote]

OK…so you are saying Sentoguy is wrong?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]NikH wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]NikH wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Actually Brachialis is the primary arm flexor so they are heavily involved with curls. And, yeah they technically aren’t forearm muscles, but being a muscle which is significantly involved in elbow flexion and yet not the desired muscle to develop during curls (just as triceps brachii or the deltoids are significantly involved in bench press, but not the desired muscle of focus) the analogy still holds true.

My guess is that X was talking about either the brachioradialis or the brachialis when he was talking about pre fatiguing his forearms before working his biceps (but maybe I’m wrong), which makes sense in the same way as working the shoulders or triceps before doing bench press (to force the pecs to do more of the work).[/quote]

That is exactly what I have been talking about especially since I have mentioned for years the injury of my brachioradialis. I also wrote how “pre-fatiguing” that muscle helped me add more size to my biceps after quite a while of being limited by it.

As you can see, way too many here seem content with missing the concept by a mile just to make jokes.

I think I went into a lot of detail about that years ago in that Prof X thread.

Funny how many here thought this was nonsense…[/quote]

Yes prefatiguing radialis for muscle gains is quite nonsense. It is like pre fatiguing calves before leg press for quad development.
[/quote]

Uh…"radialis is not the same as “brachioradialis”.

Wow.[/quote]

I am sorry for the confusion. Next time I quote you say brachioradialis, I make sure to write brachioradialis so you understand we are talking about the same thing.[/quote]

OK…so you are saying Sentoguy is wrong?[/quote]

I am saying that you are talking nonsense when saying “thanks for my brachialisradialis prefatiguing my biceps got much bigger than if I had not fatigued them before”.
Your biceps would most likely be as big as they are now without the brachialisradialis fatiguement, since they are involved in bicep curl less than gastrocnemius is in the leg press.

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[quote]NikH wrote:

I am saying that you are talking nonsense when saying “thanks for my brachialisradialis prefatiguing my biceps got much bigger than if I had not fatigued them before”.
Your biceps would most likely be as big as they are now without the brachialisradialis fatiguement, since they are involved in bicep curl as much as tibialis anterior is in the leg press.[/quote]

??

I injured my arm and couldn’t go heavy for years until I started “pre-fatiguing” that muscle. I wrote that here YEARS ago. That is why when I wrote that I am back to curling 80lbs that it was significant. I was curling more than that before the injury.

You don’t seem to know what you are talking about…and Sentoguy just agreed with what I wrote…so you clearly disagree with Sentoguy, Matty and a lot of others in this thread…including apparently Dave Tate.

Any chance we can see the muscle someone like you has built…seeing as you are in a position to criticize advice that worked for me and others?

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If X’s way of pre-fatigue is correct , wouldn’t that make the other way wrong?

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[quote]DazeDolo wrote:
If X’s way of pre-fatigue is correct , wouldn’t that make the other way wrong? [/quote]

They are two completely different concepts. After this many pages…the fact that this has been missed is making me wonder if people are actually even trying to understand what is being written.

Too many built people here got it for this.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
seeing as you are in a position to criticize advice that worked for me and others?[/quote]

And you are?

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why would I want to “pre-fatigue” my chest on CHEST DAY???[/quote]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
That is why pre-exhausting chest on CHEST DAY makes little sense.[/quote]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I never thought the other way was nonsense.[/quote]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I hadn’t even heard of the other way until this thread…[/quote]

So, X, how is it you are in a position to criticize advice that has worked for others even though through your own admission is a technique you had never heard of before and have never used?

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[quote]DazeDolo wrote:
If X’s way of pre-fatigue is correct , wouldn’t that make the other way wrong? [/quote]

According to him it is, even though he will not address the fact he said it made little sense but now acts like they are just two different approaches.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
That is why pre-exhausting chest on CHEST DAY makes little sense.[/quote]

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[quote]DazeDolo wrote:
If X’s way of pre-fatigue is correct , wouldn’t that make the other way wrong? [/quote]

There is no X’s way.

Long story short:

  1. He didnt know what prefatigue means
  2. Then he confuses prefatigue with warming up
  3. Then he fights about a topic he admittely hasnt tried for 14pages

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I injured my arm and couldn’t go heavy for years until I started “pre-fatiguing” that muscle. I wrote that here YEARS ago. That is why when I wrote that I am back to curling 80lbs that it was significant. I was curling more than that before the injury.

You don’t seem to know what you are talking about…and Sentoguy just agreed with what I wrote…so you clearly disagree with Sentoguy[/quote]

Doing hammercurls/reversecurls is different than your “prefatiguing”, in this case you mean warmingup your brachiradialis before biceps. Unless you mean you are doing reversecurls first which makes me think how much medical knowledge you actually know. So no, I am not in disagreeing with Sento. Just with you.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DazeDolo wrote:
If X’s way of pre-fatigue is correct , wouldn’t that make the other way wrong? [/quote]

They are two completely different concepts. After this many pages…the fact that this has been missed is making me wonder if people are actually even trying to understand what is being written.

Too many built people here got it for this.[/quote]

I fully understand both methods. Your way is pre-fatiguing the secondary muscles that are involved in an exercise so that the main muscle in charge of the weight is forced to do more work and pick up the slack

Stu’s,Zraw’s(and whoever else agree to do it this way) believes fatiguing the major muscle first will help you get a better mind muscle connection during the exercises , which also forces the muscle work harder and take over.

Im not saying Stu’s and Zraw’s is wrong/right , but if X’s method is right wouldn’t that mean that fatiguing chest would cause the shoulders and triceps to do more of the work ?

I just can’t see both ways working. Going to try this out at the end of my work later on today lol.

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[quote]DazeDolo wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DazeDolo wrote:
If X’s way of pre-fatigue is correct , wouldn’t that make the other way wrong? [/quote]

They are two completely different concepts. After this many pages…the fact that this has been missed is making me wonder if people are actually even trying to understand what is being written.

Too many built people here got it for this.[/quote]

I fully understand both methods. Your way is pre-fatiguing the secondary muscles of that are involved in an exercise so that the main muscle in charge of the weight is forced to do more work.

Stu’s,Zraw’s(and whoever else agree to do it this way) believes fatiguing the major muscle first will help you get a better mind muscle connection during the exercises.

Im not saying Stu’s and Zraw’s is wrong/right , but if X’s method is right wouldn’t that mean that fatiguing chest would cause the shoulders and triceps to do more of the work ?

I just can’t see both ways working. Going to try this out at the end of my work later on today lol. [/quote]

Yeah why dont you try it. Prefatigue your shoulders with frontraises, then do tricep extensions and superset with benchpress. Tell me how it works on your chest. And we are talking about prefatiguing not warming up.

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[quote]DazeDolo wrote:
Stu’s,Zraw’s(and whoever else agree to do it this way) believes fatiguing the major muscle first will help you get a better mind muscle connection during the exercises , which also forces the muscle work harder and take over.[/quote]

I just want to clarify that my use of traditional pre-exhaust methods isn’t necessarily about having trouble feeling a muscle, it’s about addressing the natural imbalance between the multiple muscles that are all engaged to some degree when performing a compound lift.

If three muscle groups are all called into play, and there exists a fairly large natural strength discrepancy between the small ones and the large ones, then obviously the smaller ones (the ‘weak link in the chain’) will determine at what point the exercise can no longer be fully performed. Additionally, a muscle that is not stimulated to the point of eliciting an adaptive response (in the case of my training, hypertrophy) will most likely remain a weak point in the trainers physique.

[quote]
Im not saying Stu’s and Zraw’s is wrong/right , but if X’s method is right wouldn’t that mean that fatiguing chest would cause the shoulders and triceps to do more of the work ?[/quote]

If this was actually the case, then everyone who attempted the usual practice of isolating the chest with flyes before presses would not only end up with no more spectacular than usual pec growth, but they’d likely experience some serious delts and triceps - further adding to an aesthetic imbalance.

As always,… my thoughts, my opinions, my experiences and background.

S