Can someone explain the difference between these and any positive or negative experiences with either. Quercetin is the key component in the FRS product that you may have seen Lance Armstrong pedaling and has gotten surprisingly (for me) good reviews in a number of periodicals of varying levels of sophistication. For me this product did nothing, and I’m a high mileage distance runner (about 75 miles per week, 3 days in the gym).
I understand that sometimes it’s just variations in individuals - so anyway, I noticed at one of the stores today that “activated quercetin” is available. The clerk obviously parrotted that maybe it would have some effect if the quercetin didn’t. With all of that, I kind of know my science and am very in tune to effectiveness of products particularly related to endurance and have been a Biotest customer for more than ten years on the gym side, so i was just hoping to get an objective explanation based on the sold knowledge base that often emerges here. (By the way, I know it’s not the most popular topic here, but for the endurance types out there, isn’t beta-alanine theoretically the holy grail for distance runners if you tune it right? And for those who say Biotest hypes their products too much, they’ve hardly pushed this aspect at all, which I consider very responsible and focused on their core market. But hey guys - it’s the holy grail if you tune it right and you were the first to push it!)
Although I can’t give a sciency answer to this, the name itself (Activated…) doesn’t sound right, it really sounds like hype.
Doing a google search did not reveal an explanation of what ‘activated quercetin’ means, just a bunch of products claiming that their quercetin is activated, which somehow makes it better (???).
If you want a great endurance supplement that is even more overlooked than Beta-Alanine is, have some Cold-Fx (Yes, I said it), it is absolutely amazing for endurance pertaining to lung capactiy.
Hey, thanks! Yes it’s odd that the google turns up both but there doesn’t seem to be a response from the non-activated crowd. Anyway, neither seems to work. Can you say more about the cold fx and why it might work (or skipping the science, how you feel and are there any side effects?) - it’s an interesting notion - that a substance for therapy of a condition that impairs lung fucntion might have some “expansive” properties. Also, I don’t know this product, is it just Ginseng? And you seem to be pre-empting commentary in your language as if you might get a negative response - who cares if it works for colds! Have you tried any of the citrulline malate products? I’m just starting to experiement with that and believe there may be something to it.
[quote]RTMB wrote:
Hey, thanks! Yes it’s odd that the google turns up both but there doesn’t seem to be a response from the non-activated crowd. Anyway, neither seems to work. Can you say more about the cold fx and why it might work (or skipping the science, how you feel and are there any side effects?) - it’s an interesting notion - that a substance for therapy of a condition that impairs lung fucntion might have some “expansive” properties. Also, I don’t know this product, is it just Ginseng? And you seem to be pre-empting commentary in your language as if you might get a negative response - who cares if it works for colds! Have you tried any of the citrulline malate products? I’m just starting to experiement with that and believe there may be something to it.[/quote]
For Citrulline Malate, the only products I have tried with that have been Xtend BCAA’s and Surge WO fuel, the former did no noticeable effect on endurance, the latter is a godsend.
As for Cold-Fx, it is a specific extract of siberian ginseng (CVT-E002) that is patented by the Cold-Fx company, so I doubt you can find it in any other products. I first used it when I had H1N1, when I did cardio I realized that I had the exact same endurance, despite having the freaking swine flu. So after I recovered I had another dose (3 pills for me) and did amazingly better on the elliptical.
I have been using it for my cutting diet, as I can burn more calories while keeping my heart rate lower (I have noticed that my heart rate never jumps through the roof with cold-fx, only goes moderately high, despite Caffeine + Ephedrine), so lots of calories burnt while minimal amounts are coming from glycogen (as I work out 4 hours later with weights, so I have to do ‘low’ intensity cardio)
I have no science to back up my words though, but I have tried different combinations of supplements and conditions, and have pretty much isolated that it is the Cold-Fx, in a 2-3 pill dosage.
And for the pre-emptive wording, I’m an 09’er. You’d be surprised how many of my innocent remarks somehow offend people
Thanks. Will look into it. Never thought about surge wo for endurance will take a look. Although I’ve been using Biotest beta-alanine in my “experiments”, I’ve been getting some pre-workout response from something called slingshot, a non-stimulant cocktail that has CM and Beta Alanine and probably too much other stuff. I usually shy away from these cocktails with massive ingredients because i’ve already settled on dosages for most of the other stuff in them. I ran across this because despite the press on citrulline malate in the running world, most of the retail shops oddly only carry l-citrulline and not CM unless you want to buy some massively complicated mixture. Finaly found a bottle of straight CM at a nature food store of all places while in Florida last week. On your comments I wouldn’t sweat the content police - probably just too much stimulants. I’ve been on here reading, posting periodically, and a loyal customer for more than ten years and the Biotest/t-mag guys have always run a sharp site - i doubt seriously if they have storage problems - and was always baffled why some non-moderators feel the need to patrol content that is not controversial. The fact is, the company has an extraordinary archive of content on this site and one of the paradoxes of such a rich archive is that it’s almost impossible for a new person to know where to start, so i wouldn’t worry about “stupid” questions or whatever you’ve been jumped on for.
What i can gather is “Activated Quercetin” is Quercetin that has been combined with Bromelain, a plant based Protease(found in pineapple). This is supposed to improve solubility and absorption.
For what it’s worth.
[quote]RTMB wrote:
Can’t get this cold-fx thing outta my head. Found it online, but do you know if it is sold retail in a place like Manhattan? Thanks![/quote]
I’ve never been to the US, and I believe that Cold-Fx is made by a Canadian company (It was endorsed by Don Cherry at one point).
I have always seen it on the shelves of my local pharmacy under the non-prescription cold remedies, I would hazard a guess that if you cannot get it off-the-shelf at these locations then it may not be available in the US?
(Although anybody from the US can easily chime in right now)…
well, 2 seconds on google and it’s readily available in US (like Amazon but haven’t looked in my local stores).
i’ve never gotten anything from ginseng products despite the fact that lots of people seem to like them and it’s been around anecdotally forever. the new surge is working out. not making me sick to my stomach and good gas. i am more HIIT than endurance but due to vibram i may be back in the game (fingers crossed, as so far so good)
