Quebec Independence?

So, you wanted the opinion of a Quebecois? Well, I’ll give you mine, but it won’t be much different from the ones on this thread, since I think separation would throw us in an economic and political pit from which it would take us years to come out of.

Anyway, where I can add something new to this discussion is on the concept of cultural diversity. “Je me souviens”. Yes, it is on our licence plates. It means, “I will remember” for all of you non-French speaking T-men. Everyone has a different explanation for this phrase. Nothing is official. Some people think it relates to the French defeat but I don’t. I see it has a way of reminding us of our origins, of where we come from. This might seem stupid for most of you, but remember that how different you might think you are, the rest of Canada and US originally comes from Britain. But not us. We were French, and now we are Quebecois. This is a big deal for us. Not only do we use a different language, but we also think and act different. For example, every time there is a poll in Canada, the results show a great difference between Quebec and the rest of Canada whatever the question of the poll. Sometimes, our opinion is the opposite of our fellow Canadians especially on subjects like abortion, euthanasia, same sex marriage, the army and war. For example, the new leader of the Parti Quebecois (the party that is for independence) will probably be a gay ex-cocaine user. And frankly, we couldn’t care less, and probably see this as a good thing. So yes, we are different than the rest of North America. Much more than “rednecks” vs “yankees”, East coast vs West coast, city vs country and southerner vs northerner.

But, the main question here is “Is this enough to be willing to ask for independence from Canada?” For me, the obvious answer is no. Cultural identity is a personal thing. If I decide to start speaking in English with my family, I will. And nothing the government do will stop me. If I am not proud of where I come from and of who I am today, well independence will not change that. I don’t think we are in danger of losing our identity. And I live in Montreal, the biggest (and only) melting pot in the province, so I would be in the first row to notice any anti-French movement or changes. We will never lose our culture, no matter what happens. People who are afraid of this are just insecure.

The big problem in Quebec is that the bulk of the “yes” voters don’t think. They refuse to see the economic disaster that would arise with independence. They are looking for a salvation that is not needed. They are young people that have been brainwashed since their childhood. Politicians know that, and they use it to gain access into history books. The provincial Prime Minister who will make Quebec a country will be remembered forever! And I am not saying the Parti Quebecois never did anything good. Over the last 30 years, they changed the face of our province and helped resuscitate our pride. In the 70s, before they came, there was indeed a problem with cultural assimilation. But laws were passed and everything changed. Now, everything has to be written in French, which is normal since our official language is French, not English. The only other province who as French(with English) as an official language is New Brunswick. I don’t know why people complain. Would you be surprised if you went to Portugal and you couldn’t be served in English? Hell, I would be happy to no there is something this different so close to home, if I lived in the US or elsewhere in Canada). Anyway, I’m getting away of the message I want to pass, which is that an independent Quebec is an utopia. It just cannot work. Back in 1995, there were talks of what would happen if the “Yes” won. It was proposed that we would keep canadian institutions, like the post and the money, kind of like Liechtenstein and Switzerland. But, with a country of 6 million individuals, this would be just impossible. Also, Canada would be so pissed at us since we fucked their country that they wouldn’t allow us. So, for all the reasons that you mentionned in this thread, we would basically be doomed if the “Yes” passed.

Sadly, in 2 years, a new government will be elected, and this will probably be the Parti Quebecois, since the Liberals just fucked up so many things in the last 2 years. So, this means we will probably have a new referendum, and my guess is it will pass. It was too close last time, and with the federal government scandals, a lot of people changed their mind in the past years. Also, most of the new electors (late teens, early 20s) are pro-independence. So, what will happen? Exodus. On a personnal note, it will be difficult for me for a number of reasons. One is I love my province and its inhabitants (yes, we do have the most beautiful women). Another is my career, since I wouldn’t be recognized (protectionism toward local MDs in other countries…), since if I leave Quebec, I will leave Canada also, because they will be in a hole too.

If you have other questions about Quebec’s political climate, don’t hesitate. There are enough brilliant Quebequers on T-nation to answer everything.

Remz

PS. I know I should disregard all of paul bunyan’s posts, but no separation without bloodshed, come on!! You don’t remember the Velvet Revolution in 1989? My guess is you weren’t born yet…

bigdon,

I’m all for being made fun of, and if it is because I’m being an ignorant homophobic loudmouth, then even better, because maybe I’ll learn something from it.

However, I’m not the one that was attempting to regionalize the characteristics of the mighty redneck… you’ll have to point your finger elsewhere.

[quote]thabigdon24 wrote:
Vroom: im kind of country myself. To an extent you are being somewhat closed-minded when you put rednecks and southern people together since these agrarian redneck types are all around the world. In Africa, South America, Mexico whatever agrarian people will have traditional values and attitudes. Besides if you try to make fun of somebody else’s life style they have reason to make fun of you? I mean when has Canada done anything cool? [/quote]

I dont know if you guys read my post before, but South Jersey has probably as many rednecks as anywhere else. In a much tighter area too. Hence why I keep trying to get us to seperate. It’s catching on. Watch. Maybe we can call South Jersey “North Texas” if you want.

And Hockey and Molson are pretty good reasons to like Canada. Plus the drinking age is 18, marijuana is acceptable for some reason, and the strip clubs are good. Not my idea of a terrible place.

[quote]Remz wrote:
A bunch of good stuff
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Great post. Too bad the conservatives can’t make any headway in Quebec, I think they’d actually be up for giving Quebec (and other provinces) more independance. Maybe.

Be nice to hear from a few more Quebec’ers.

Vroom and CaptainLogic,

You guys a bunch of raving hypocrites. You guys think it’s perfectly okay to ridicule other people’s beliefs (remember Ramen???), then you jump on Rainjack for calling somebody a faggot???

[quote]harris447 wrote:
rainjack wrote:
vroom wrote:
I use the word faggot to express my utter disdain for idiots like you and that makes me a red neck?

Actually, it gives you a good push in that direction, yes.

Vroom - you wouldn’t know a redneck if he ran over you in his 4X4.

If I were a black man - what label would you pin on me for using faggot in a sentence? Please - I can’t wait to hear your reply.

How about an “ignorant, homophobic moron”? Same as if you were purple or green.[/quote]

[quote]mmg_4 wrote:
Looks like im not the only one rainjack irritates with his bullshit…Y’all watch out now-that big sumbitch Rainjack is gonna go tit-for-tat with y’all on these here forums. steers n queers pal, steers and fucking queers. [/quote]

I don’t see any horns on you, pal - or should I say ms.?

Tell me - does the ‘mm’ in your name stand for mental midget?

Just wondering.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
mmg_4 wrote:
Looks like im not the only one rainjack irritates with his bullshit…Y’all watch out now-that big sumbitch Rainjack is gonna go tit-for-tat with y’all on these here forums. steers n queers pal, steers and fucking queers.

I don’t see any horns on you, pal - or should I say ms.?

Tell me - does the ‘mm’ in your name stand for mental midget?

Just wondering.
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No, you big college graduate you, it doesnt stand for mental midget. Although it feels like mental masturbation reading your brilliant posts.

[quote] Vroom and CaptainLogic,

You guys a bunch of raving hypocrites. You guys think it’s perfectly okay to ridicule other people’s beliefs (remember Ramen???), then you jump on Rainjack for calling somebody a faggot???[/quote]

KJ, you might want to figure out what a hypocrite is, before you call someone one.

Rainjack is perfectly able to ridicule someone’s beliefs (and he does so on a regular basis, more power to him), but that is not what this situation was about. Duh.

[quote]KJ Bridgewater wrote:
Vroom and CaptainLogic,

You guys a bunch of raving hypocrites. You guys think it’s perfectly okay to ridicule other people’s beliefs (remember Ramen???), then you jump on Rainjack for calling somebody a faggot???
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HEY!! I said witty ridiculing was OK.

I’ll give you credit though, that was a nice try, you almost got me with that one. Cheers!

Bro I feel for you. It would really piss me off too if the US had a State right in the middle of the country with all Frenches. But maybe vroom is correct in that it would be better to cut them loose. Then they stand or fall on their own.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
mmg_4 wrote:
Looks like im not the only one rainjack irritates with his bullshit…Y’all watch out now-that big sumbitch Rainjack is gonna go tit-for-tat with y’all on these here forums. steers n queers pal, steers and fucking queers.

I don’t see any horns on you, pal - or should I say ms.?

Tell me - does the ‘mm’ in your name stand for mental midget?

Just wondering.

[/quote]

MENTAL MIDGET!!!

Haaaaahahahahahahahahaha!

Dude, that was fucking awesome! You slammed the shit out of him.

Mental midget…good times.

[quote]vroom wrote:
Rainjack is perfectly able to ridicule someone’s beliefs (and he does so on a regular basis, more power to him)[/quote]

As do you vroom. I think you are a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black.

But I haven’t ridiculed anyone for their beliefs on this thread. I used a politically incorrect word that caused the PC police on here to cry ‘red neck’, ‘ignorant’, and I believe ‘homophobe’. All for the use of the word faggot to describe a person for which I have neither any respect nor any use.

I even offered to retract my use of the word ‘faggot’ in exchange for dropping the use of the word red neck. Only one taker stepped up. And he didn’t even have a dog in this fight other than calling me an ignorant fucker for using the word faggot.

You and the rest of the closet racists on here have either remained eerily quiet, or made up some lame assed excuse for why you feel the word red neck is okay to use. If I would say that not all niggers are black - I would be branded even more ignorant than I have been for using the word faggot.

If you can’t see your hypocrisy in that, then you are the ignorant one, as are all of the other PC bastards on here.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
vroom wrote:
Rainjack is perfectly able to ridicule someone’s beliefs (and he does so on a regular basis, more power to him)

As do you vroom. I think you are a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black.

But I haven’t ridiculed anyone for their beliefs on this thread. I used a politically incorrect word that caused the PC police on here to cry ‘red neck’, ‘ignorant’, and I believe ‘homophobe’. All for the use of the word faggot to describe a person for which I have neither any respect nor any use.

I even offered to retract my use of the word ‘faggot’ in exchange for dropping the use of the word red neck. Only one taker stepped up. And he didn’t even have a dog in this fight pother than clling me an ignorant fucker for using the word faggot.

You and the rest of the closet racists on here haveeither remained eerily quiet, or made up some lame assed excuse for why you feel the word red neck is okay to use. If I would say that not all niggers are black - I would be branded even more ignorant than I have been for using the word faggot.

If you can’t see your hypocrisy in that, then you are the ignorant one, as are all of the other PC bastards on here.

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Ah well, I don’t mind the use of the word faggot or red neck, now if you were to call me a gay ass Red Sox fan, we’d have issues. I kid, I kid, I think we need to move off this issue and back to the heart of the matter, the destruction of Canada.

[quote]slimjim wrote:
I think we need to move off this issue and back to the heart of the matter, the destruction of Canada.
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I am all for it. Except if Quebec secedes, I think we should construct a partition along our Northern border. Kind of like the tortilla curtain on the Mexican border. We could call it the Fries and Gravy Fenceline.

Agreed. I still really want to hear from the Quebec seperatists. Although it appears we don’t have any on here. This issue still interests me.

[quote]vroom wrote:
Vroom and CaptainLogic,

You guys a bunch of raving hypocrites. You guys think it’s perfectly okay to ridicule other people’s beliefs (remember Ramen???), then you jump on Rainjack for calling somebody a faggot???

KJ, you might want to figure out what a hypocrite is, before you call someone one.

Rainjack is perfectly able to ridicule someone’s beliefs (and he does so on a regular basis, more power to him), but that is not what this situation was about. Duh.[/quote]

Are you serious?

My point was not about absolving Rainjack, it was about calling YOU out; So Rainjack’s ridiculing of other people beliefs has nothing to do with my point.

Let me make it clear: YOU are no better than the kind of person you accuse Rainjack of being.

Rainjack, I really question your reading ability, or perhaps just comprehension. You do realize I wasn’t insulting you right? Perhaps the “more power to him” portion should have clued you in?

Poke fun at whatever you like. When you act ignorant and get called on it, that’s your problem.

Don’t like it? Don’t act ignorant. I’m just waiting for you to find the right word to pin on me… I’ve seen a lot of them get applied and slide off over the years.

So, perhaps you can explain to me how I’m being a hypocrite? You can ridicule people for whatever you like… but so can I ridicule you for being ignorant. Seems pretty straightforward to me… go ahead and ridicule me all you want.

Oh wait, you already do. Never mind. I’m sure there was a point to your post somewhere, but damned if I can see anything other than some owies over recent events.

Boohoo.

KJ,

Whoever said that I thought I was better than Rainjack.

You are pretty freaking dense buddy. Did I say I was better than Rainjack?

There are all kinds of groups of people, and there are labels for them, only some people know which ones are appropriate to use and some don’t.

Apparently rednecks don’t. Ahahahahah!

[quote]vroom wrote:
KJ,

Whoever said that I thought I was better than Rainjack.

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Are you kidding me?
You far too much of a condescending and pretentious bastard pull that off.

You may not have explicitly said that, but it’s abundantly clear that you do.