So the question I have is in regards to the quality of GH and the dose used. It seems the difference in ugl GH quality comes down to how much dimer is present. Dimer being the stuff you don’t want. Now, if using high amounts, that dimmer adds up. If using low dose (less than 2 iu per day), would there be much of a difference in sides with a lower quality GH?
I’ve used both pharma and UGL(2% dimer) at different amounts from 2iu to 8iu daily and noticed no difference between the them. I have no bloodwork to back this up as NYS will not allow testing for IGF for whatever reason.
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I’m curious about the efficacy of less than 2iu per day. Why so low?
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My igf-1 levels are at the very bottom of the range consistently. The range goes from 100-270, and my levels are always right around 100. It could be my GH production is fine and I just don’t convert much GH into igf-1. I guess I’d kinda like to see what being at the top end or a little past it does for me long term.
I think GH is a better add on long term than using more AAS. It’s good for a lean physique at that 1-2 iu per day level.
I can get 100 iu of lower quality stuff for $70. I wouldn’t be too butt hurt over a dollar a day (1.4 iu a day). I think replacement dosages are typically under that amount.
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That is one hell of a deal man!
If your IGF-1 levels are low, and your goals are to correct them, why not take IGF-1LR3 instead?
I only ask because it sounds like there has been a fair amount of experimentation with HGH and IGF-1 in attempts to find the magic combo, without much success. My understanding of both are quite limited, but I found myself reading into HGH and IGF-1 extensively yesterday… By coincidence, you posted about it today and I’m lowkey starting to believe you are my spirit animal lol.
I know HGH almost always leads to higher IGF-1 levels, I guess I just don’t understand what the benefit of risking the Dimer in HGH is, rather than finding IGF-1LR3. Again, I have no further experience than reading about them. Yesterday.
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As of right now, I’m assuming both GH and igf-1 are low. My hormones that impact physique and strength just kinda suck naturally.
I don’t think I’m interested in GH in high levels because of the complications that come with it. I don’t want to use metformin or slin.
I could get igf-1-1rl3. I have more research to do. Just been thinking after this blast, that I want to lean up, and the temptation to increase the cruise is there. Got me thinking, that maybe GH in low dose would be better?
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From what i’ve been reading, it sounds like even a standard dosage for HRT is 2iu per day, but that it also doesn’t have to be done every day. Some people talk about only using it on hard days to help with recovery too.
For the purposes of leaning out though, most seem to recommend 4iu per day. I would link the two thread I was reading yesterday, but you commented all over both of them too 
so I don’t see the point, unless you want to re-read them lol.
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I would potentially try up to 4 iu. Probably not long term. From what others have said, trt and GH is like being a teenager. Being lean is just easier. I’m a fatty at heart lol.
Fwiw, I can get better stuff for like 120 for 100 iu. Maybe I shouldn’t be so cheap. GH does add up quick though.
I’ll give that link a read.
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Teenagers are lean due to elevated androgen production, high IGF-1 and… they’re literally still growing taller up until 15-18
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Uhh, high IGF-1 in teenagers is due to high GH levels during this period, and elevated androgen production is also likely from elevated testosterone levels. So taking HGH and TRT would effectively replicate the ability to remain lean, but with probably far more gains.
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I have used many kinds and no difference in bloodwork.
I have a pharma grade GH now i will test, and i will be able to tell you is there a difference after a few weeks but i am 90% sure that there wont be.
2ius will shoot you GH up twice the norm. Not IGF. But GH.
Mostly fake. Almost impossible to find real IGF.
Also, IGF alone does not give you all the GH benefits.
GH is the same as steroids. You THINK it will be the thing but you end up being underwhelmed.
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So I guess i’m curious why HGH is touted as the creme de la creme when it comes to steroids. I’ve heard a lot of people saying it’s underwhelming, particularly when taken as a stand alone drug… So why do people still willingly shell out so much damn money for it?
90ius cost 120eur UGL and 170eur pharma.
And i live in a country where average income is 700eur, but food prices ar the same as in US.
It is expensive but not THAT expensive, You can save up for UGL by not going out drinking 2 weekends.
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Personally I would have no issue affording it, I’m just wondering why it’s worth it when the first results from google show
people don’t usually mention the cost of testosterone when going on cycle, but its always mentioned when talking about HGH. So if it’s still underwhelming, why would people bother spending that much more on it?
igf-1 is produced be converting GH into igf-1? Wouldn’t more GH lead to higher igf-1? Maybe there is a limiting factor?
I guess its the hopes that it does something. Kinda like with expensive alcohol. It tastes like shit but people hope they will taste the difference or whatever.
I take it for anti-aging and i HOPE it will pay off. I dont really feel much tho. I just see it in bloodwork.
Maybe, but in my case my GH was 0,5 - range is 0-3.
My IGF was 70. Range is 70-320.
On GH my GH is 5… My Igf is 125. So there is a HUGE increase of GH, much less on IGF for me.
My IGF doesnt budge much, haha.
I will try the pharma grade GH soon, i already have it, i just need to finish my UGL. But im sure there wont be difference - my guy says UGL GH is as good as pharma nowdays.
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This is like a used car salesman telling you that “used cars are as good as new ones nowadays” lol. Still, i cannot disprove your statement.
Are you concerned about getting GH gut? How long do you intend to keep taking it?
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My guy sells pharma grade also, so he has no point to lie.
No, i dont believe in GH gut. At least not at doses 2-5iu a day. Pros take 10-20.
I intend to take it forever, just like test.
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I’m wondering if this could be me too. Like my GH production is good, but my igf-1 conversion is low. I wouldn’t mess with GH if that was the case. I’d get it tested, but I heard it’s really tough to test. If you catch GH on a pulse, it’s high, if you catch it in a dip, it’s low.
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My GH is 5 when range is 0-3 after 26-30 hours of injection. 4 hours after its in teens.
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