Q&A with Shadow Pro

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[quote]nocoolnick wrote:
Hey Shadow, not sure if you can help me out but a lot of my friends are military and they’re all looking for a stack that would improve their ‘Military athleticism’. So far most like a stack of test e (500-750mg/week) and mast e (250-500mg/week) as it keeps them strong, quick and recover fairly fast without gaining too much unwanted mass. Do you have any other ideas?

Most of the typical cycles I see are mostly for bodybuilders and powerlifters.[/quote]

Best thing for recovery and staying lean would be 3-4iu of GH in the morning on an empty stomach (if they can afford it)
The test and masteron along with the dosages you mentioned are very good, it’s great combo and the GH would just enhance their results.

They can also add anavar to this stack at 60mg/day it will help with strength and athletic ability with no water retention. If anavar isn’t available, you could try 50mg of oral winstrol each day. It will increase strength but could cause joint soreness for some people.

You don’t have to use all compounds together, could also use use two together. For example: test/winstrol or test/anavar

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[quote]Sekula wrote:
Thank you for making this thread, and thank you for taking your time to answer all these questions. I have a couple of different questions (to break the monotony :slight_smile: ) :

  1. What do you think about protein absorption for natural bodybuilders, is 2g per kg too much?
  2. Fat burners like Animal Cuts make digestive tract dry so clen should be a better option in terms of health (if used, not abused of course)?
  3. This question has been asked for countless times but i would like to hear your opinion, Anabolic window for natural bodybuilders? Does whey protein+dex post workout make any advantage other than repairing the damage (Supercompensation?)

Thank you for your answer, and even if you dont answer, thank you for doing this. All the best.[/quote]

  1. I wouldn’t say it’s too much but as a natural bodybuilder you need to put even more attention to individual metabolism, body type, activity level and so on. If you’re training with high intensity and frequency as well as many years of training experience I think you can eat these numbers and not gain fat.
  2. I don’t think clenbuterol is that Bad of a drug if used correctly… It gets a bad name from people who have abused it. I’m not familiar with animal cuts. I usually cycle between Clen and HOT-ROX (6 weeks on each)
    3.many recent studies suggest that the anabolic window post workout is much bigger (about 6 hours) and isn’t as significant as we used to believe. What is more significant is your pre and intraworkout nutrition. I think if you’re maximizing your intraworkout nutrition with Plazma then there’s no need to try and hurry to drink a shake post workout because you already have a lot of nutrition in your system. Just go home and have a nice solid meal 60-90 min after your workout.
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[quote]thor159 wrote:
1 - In your opinion, what is more effective for far burning, T3 or Clen?

2 - How do you recommend using T3?

3 - Clen 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off or 2 days on and 2 days off for a longer period?

4 - What is the “secret” to being able to digest so much food ingested (gastrointestinal health and absorption wise).

Thanks in advance.[/quote]

  1. Honesty I like them both and I because they work on different pathways I always utilize them both in my diet. If I had to choose, I would say t3 for fat burning purposes and Clen for anti catabolic purposes which are both very important while dieting.

  2. Depends on what physical state you are starting your diet in. I would start at 12.5 mcg and increase it by 12.5 every week. I wouldn’t go up past 75mcg or you’ll increase the risk of losing muscle.

  3. 2 days on 1 day off works better for me… But again, I am usually using t3 with It so I always have some kind of fat burning drug in my system.

  4. First thing you need to build your tolerance to high amounts of food, it’s a gradual process. Increase it every week by little amounts. Sometimes it takes me 10weeks just to get to my top macros of my off season diet. Give your body the time to adjust to the new food levels or else you will have digestive issues.
    Apple cider vinegar can help, regular enemas and eating quality food.

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I love this thread!

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Yogi wrote:
that last post raises an interesting point.

Shadow, what do you think about tapering down into PCT? I’m a fan personally but it seems people like me are in the minority.

For example, I usually run my test a week or two longer than my other injectables, then I’ll taper down the dose by 200mg or so a week until I get to a TRT dose, which I run for two weeks, adding SERMs the second week then running the SERMs for another month or so when I’m off the test (5 weeks usually including a week where I taper SERMs down). I blast some hCG while I’m tapering down to wake the boys back up, and continue AI use right up until SERM therapy.

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I like this idea a lot!!! I actually use a similar approach with some of my clients. The body doesn’t like drastic changes so anything done gradually is usually a good idea.
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Finally some validation of my taper! People have been telling me for years how pointless it is!

Great minds think alike. Thanks big guy.
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95% of the people have no idea what they’re talking about… You know this!!
I am not saying I know everything but I’m just giving my advice based on my own personal experience, which is A LOT. I’m glad you shared this! I’ve seen it work time after time with so many clients.
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haha, very true! I consider myself part of the 95%

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About T3, what would be the precautions while taking it and what else to take together to minimize or avoid side effects?

How long should I take to get to the maximum dose? And at the end of the cycle, should I tapper down the dose or can I simply stop it where it is? How long of a break then to be able to start taking it again?

What’s your intake on intermittent fasting by the way?

Cheers.

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thanks man i think i have a good source,it is expensive for sure,should i take it in 2 doses morning and evening?also can i begin with low dose and up every week?also doyou think i need to worry about any hair loss?
thanks again.

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Hi there Shadow Pro, i was so intrigue with this thread, that i had to sign up and ask a couple questions.

1: What are you thought on low test and high tren or other anabolics?

2: Do you always need to run test with every cycle ?

3: I see you mention to have caber on hand when using tren, for what reason since tren does not seem to prolactin but progestin ?

4: what are you thoughts on Dennis James, people calling him one of the best trainer, but in 2012 he was having a hard time getting ready for a show that he needed the help of gorge farah, and 2 years latter hes the best because ramy brought him fame ?

Thank for your time.

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You keep mentioning Nolvadex for extrogen control but nolvadex is not an aromatase inhibitor. Simply put, it does not stop test conversion to estrogen at all, it just stops estrogen from binding to breast receptors.

What is the reasoning for using Nolva over something like Armidex? On high doses of test without Armidex, estrogen will be off the charts.

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Hi Shadow.

First, thank you for all your information. This is the best thread ever.

I have got a doubt about when you are on cutting diet. I have read that you prefer intake 2/3 all your carbs intra workout but you use this method also on cutting or only when you are bulking?

Thank you very much and I apologize for my english, I know is not too good.

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[quote]yamar1 wrote:
You keep mentioning Nolvadex for extrogen control but nolvadex is not an aromatase inhibitor. Simply put, it does not stop test conversion to estrogen at all, it just stops estrogen from binding to breast receptors.

What is the reasoning for using Nolva over something like Armidex? On high doses of test without Armidex, estrogen will be off the charts.[/quote]

Not if it can’t bind to the receptors

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]ztanzanite wrote:

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[quote]ztanzanite wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]ztanzanite wrote:
Shadow… Thanks too for helping my questions…!
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You’re welcome, the reason I didn’t recommend caber is because im afraid after being shut down for so long that if you go on it might help a little bit while you’re on it but then shut you down even worse. That’s why I advise to try the more conservative route for this case.
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You think another strong PCT is best at this point?
Also, What about my current TT levels… they look good. Is there more to recover with PCT than just TT levels and the other sex howmones ( LH, Fsh…ect)…?

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Here’s what I think. Every strong PCT that you are doing will improve your libido. It’s not that I want to increase your current testosterone level, but it will do that as well. I want to give your libido another push and it should stay there or very close to good levels. It’s still my best option. The Cialis will also help a lot with this combo and I know this because I have had guys improve in similar situations (although not as extreme)

I’m not against caber, but if something goes wrong again after you go off then it might crash you even more.

Did you check your prolactin levels? And what other testing have you had recently?

Also, remember your not 20 years old anymore… These problems can sprout up at any point after our peak years. Guys always expect to come off juice and expect to be horny as a dog like they were when they were 18 but sadly it never happens.
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Shadow… Thanks man…! You are so very helpful…
Yes, prolactin is in range… I did manipulate it down and up with zero improvement…
I have had all realavent tests performed and once past the 7 mo th mark each one was not just in range, but optimal… I’ve had Scally, Crisler and a few “experts” look at them values…
Scally says give it more time… Crisler says at 18 mo THS things should clear up… A few experts say 2 years is possible and they’ve seen it with deca…
I was 40 when the cycle was tab and all was good… Libido was as strong as it was at 20… No joke…!
The cycle destroyed the libido 100%…
When I use cialis, your right, it does feel like an increase…
If you have any further suggestions, please let me know…
I’m here in Cali… Same time zone…!
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Shadow,
Let me add some details about the cycle since I neglected to do so already…
When I started the cycle I was unknowledgable and taking advise from the wrong crowd…
The cycle was
week 1-20 test E 550
week 1-20 deca 450
week 1-20 dbol 40 mg ed

Yes, I ran the d-bol for 20 weeks…! ( liver was still in range…!)
Everything was stopped at the same time…2 weeks out was Tamox 20 e/d
4 weeks out was clomid 50 e/d along with the tamox for 3 more weeks…
Finally at 7 months out all sex hormones were in range an optimized…
Libido was not recovered so on the advise of a Dr. I went back on test E 500 e/w for 4 weeks…Zero improvement in libido during that time.( bloods were taken to prove product was good) Was also on HCG 250 Iu every 3rd day during that cycle. With no improvement I ended the cycle and ran A proper Pct with HCG @ 500iu every 3 days for 3 weeks with clomid and nolvadex for 4 weeks following…
The mood and energy was all repaired, but libido and weak erections remained…
If I run another PCT as you suggested, I am worried about E2 while blasting the HGC… can I run adex during that pct as the tamox and I dont do well…Or just lower my tamox dosing?
Thanks Boss…
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I think the biggest mistake you made(besides the cycle itself that wasn’t built very well) is the PCT you did after you went back on test(for 4 weeks) wasn’t aggressive enough. You can definitely run Adex instead of nolva on the pct I gave you, either one will work. Start with 1mg every 3rd day and up it to every other day if needed.

After reading this I’m pretty sure your libido will improve, keep me posted.
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Thank you Shadow pro…
Final question on the subject…
If left alone, with enough time is recovery likely to happen? Is the Aggressive pct a way to just make it happen quicker…?
Thank you for all your attention with this… I will keep you posted my man…!
Very kind regards.

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[quote]BUDs wrote:

[quote]yamar1 wrote:
You keep mentioning Nolvadex for extrogen control but nolvadex is not an aromatase inhibitor. Simply put, it does not stop test conversion to estrogen at all, it just stops estrogen from binding to breast receptors.

What is the reasoning for using Nolva over something like Armidex? On high doses of test without Armidex, estrogen will be off the charts.[/quote]

Not if it can’t bind to the receptors [/quote]

You just don’t get gyno. I Have done blood work using only Nolva and estrogen was high. Armidex will stop the conversion completely, Nolvadex will not.

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hi, and thanks for doing this!

i have heard that stacking say 5-600 test and 400 deca can make you more likely to develop gyno, even though deca doesnt aromatise itself. is this true? im gyno prone but can get away with 750+ mgs of test with 12.5 mgs of aromasin ED perfectly. thanks

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[quote]Shadow1723 wrote:
SP,

You mentioned in an earlier post that you perform an IV detox when you are tapering down. Can you explain in more detail what this is, why you have it performed and how one can receive an IV detox anywhere?

Thanks in advance![/quote]

It’s an IV nutrient therapy and you must find a doctor in your area that specializes in natural medicine, depending on what state you live in it should be relatively easy to find a clinic. IV therapy is used to treat patients with cancer, liver disease, chemical sensitivities, chronic pain, hypertension and cardiovascular disease just to name a few.

Vitamins, minerals, amino acids and antioxidants(as well as other healing substances) are infused directly into the bloodstream, this allows them to bypass the digestive system which allows a higher amount of nutrients to reach the bodies cells through the blood stream.

The treatments are unique to each individual based upon the blood work that is received. So he/she chooses a tailored treatment to fit your needs.

Personally, I find it very effective in my recovery after an aggressive cycle. Any discrepancies in blood work is corrected with sessions of therapy along with my pct and good supplementation.

If you are interested, I would be happy to help you find someone in your area. Just let me know. Good question by the way, I suppose I should have given more detail before.

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
If you are interested, I would be happy to help you find someone in your area. Just let me know. Good question by the way, I suppose I should have given more detail before.
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Is there a specific way to search for these doctors? Something specific to look for?

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[quote]MassEffect wrote:
Shadow Pro,

First of all - mad respect. I’ve been reading this thread since 1st post and I’m really enjoying learning from you. Thanks for doing this.

Background on me - 23y/o - Male- 220lbs - 6"1’ - under 15% bf - larger legs, moderate chest/uppers,. (leg day is forever the favorite)
I’ve been lifting for 6 years (on and off, more on than off). I’ve done a natural bodybuilding show (2) and I’ve even taken home a 1st place trophy (woo!).

Recently I’ve been all over the map with motivation after getting married and getting a hardcore deskjockey job. My wife got into fitness and has rekindled the fire I had for the sport when I was a teen. I’ve been toying around with the idea of trying for the physique class, most of those guys weight is around or under mine and I’m very symmetrical albeit leg heavy.

I have a bunch of questions, forgive me if I missed you answering some of these - I really did try to read everything you posted.

I’m stacking a ton of natty sups right now to boost test levels, Animal: Stak, M-Stak, Cellucor: P6 Red and P6 Black. I’m insanely strong on the right dose and its very noticable when I miss a dose. Along with damn near every animal supp in the line. I’ve gotten great results with them, but I feel like I’m hitting a wall and want to make more noticeable progress faster. Do you think these are a waste of money? In your experience has anyone ever benefited tremendously from using natty sups while on gear?

In addition to the test booster natty sups I’m taking Animal Cuts and Cellucors Super HD + CLK to help me drop weight.

I want to start rx to lean down aggressively and prep for a show without losing any size or strength. This will be my first cycle. I train 3x weekly (back/front/legs) +2 hours and cardio 3x weekly for roughly 500~1000kcal burned each time.
What kind of stack would you think could be a good way to help me achieve my goals (physique show) sometime late this year?

Thanks for taking time out of your day to contribute the knowledge you’ve gained over the years.
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Thank you for following, I’ll give you my ideas based on what you’ve told me. It would be great if you could post a photo so I can see where you’re at… It will make a difference otherwise I’m speculating on a starting point. Peoples ideas of REAL bf % are all over the map. Also, current diet please.

As for supplements. I’ve tried all of the big supplement brands products over the years and to be honest most of them are complete garbage… What concerns me the most about these is that the labels are very misleading in most cases. This brings me back to the point of why I am here in the first place… I discovered Biotest products long ago and it’s the only supplements I will ever spend my money on because they are actually working by themselves alone and even better when you combine them with prescription meds. For me and many clients & friends this has made a world of difference in my career. Obviously the site would never promote the use of steroids with product but I have experimented with all of the combinations and found crazy results and I will share my findings with you.

For adding lean muscle mass I like this new supplement called micro-pa, I gave it to a lot of my clients and over a 2 month period they got harder, stronger and gained a noticeable amount of muscle (some of them physique competitors) one of my female clients competes naturally and I honestly asked her if she was taking something behind my back because I never expected so much out of a supplement alone.
As for fat burners, I made a previous post about my favorites… Either go with an ECA stack, HOT-ROX, indigo. (clen & t3 for prescription choices). There is no product on the market like Indigo-3G,it just doesn’t exist and I find it extremely important especially pre contest to keep you full and allow you to keep your carb intake relatively high while still losing fat, I use it right up to the day of my show. For a natural test booster, I only use Alpha Male (during my pct). I don’t think supplements are a waste of money at all, you just need to pick and choose the right ones… The gear and the supps enhance eachother, I can’t imagine a prep without one or the other.

Now for the Rx questions:
For your first time cycle as a physique competitor (without seeing pics) I would suggest something like this:
Test-p 100mg EOD
Mast-p 100mg EOD
Anavar @60mg/day OR winstrol @ 50mg/day
Nolvadex 10mg/day
HCG 250iu every 3rd day

It’s very basic but as a first cycle it would work great for you. Please send pics first. It’s possible you can play around with Clen or t3 but for physique I don’t think you’ll have to go there, you can get hard and lean from non-rx supplements combined with your cycle.

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[quote]DoctorJekyll wrote:
Hey Shadow, do you do prepping for athletes? [/quote]

Not on a commercial level, I don’t think it’s appropriate to take on hundreds of clients so I have a select bunch who have been close to me for years. I always “interview” clients before taking them (not based on their genetics or potential win a show) if they show me they are serious, hard working and a good listener I will consider. Nothing worse than clients who start with you and leave a month later because they aren’t committed.

I would never take more than 30 athletes and that would be pushing it, everyone deserves the same amount of time and attention and I wouldn’t tell someone I can help them 100% if I don’t have the time. Trust me, anyone who has hundreds of clients is lying in your face if he/she says that they can give you all of their attention.

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[quote]mat_gmichaud wrote:
Thanks a lot for your time!

I will stay clean and bust my ass!

Lets talk about suplementation,

What do you think about poliquin product? (Like should we take Zinc, multi-vit, omega and stuf like that)

It is a good investement ?!

I have use Plazma and holyshit I feel like superman in the gym, but right now I’m taking some weeks off with that supplement because i feel less and less effect. Its like my body dont react like at the begining. I think its normal i mean our body adapt and the suplementation get less efective.

Question: how you rotate or take brake of your suplementation to try to always get the most benefit?!

Sorry for my bad english I’m a frenchman!
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I haven’t tried his product line, but I understand his logic in supplementation. I would imagine he’s putting quality into the products he produces. I use the multi minerals and Flameout from the store here, financially it works out better for me especially with the multiminerals rather than buying everything separately.

To say that Plazma loses it’s effect is incorrect. It’s like saying that carbs and quality protein in general lose effectiveness after consuming them for long periods of time… The Plazma provides high quality nutrition that’s produced in a way that is easily absorbed. I have been using it every workout almost since it’s release on the market.

I am assuming you are just starting to get used to the feeling of being like “superman” in the workouts and you need to make sure you are increasing your intensity in each and every workout because the Plazma will allow you to do this, don’t just cruise with what you’ve always done or you won’t progress anywhere. As long as you keep using it and increasing the intensity of the workouts you will always get that insane pump and continue to see muscle gains.

Since you have decided to stay clean I would recommend to use the Plazma, micro-pa and AlphaMale for muscle gains.

As for breaks, it depends on the supplements you are asking about… Some things you can take continually(like Plazma) other supplements (like Creatine & fat burners) you should cycle on and off.

Bottom line, supplements are a good investment.

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[quote]CW298 wrote:
I apologize if you have answered this already… what is the best way to pass a urine drug test with a 14 hour notice taking steroids or more specifically, oral winnie? Thanks![/quote]

If you only have 14 hours then you won’t pass it if it’s a serious test.

2 options to try:

  1. Try to take a strong diuretic which will mask the use of the drugs. If they are doing an intense test then they will know what you did.

  2. Take someone else’s urine with you to the test, tuck it under your balls and pop it into the cup. This can work unless they are staring straight at you taking a piss… Just pretend to be shy and ask for a LITTLE privacy.