PX : An Offer

Training
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[quote]Purple wrote:
What kind of passive aggressive bullshit is it to post this in an open forum to a guy that’s been around for years and made more progress than most. If he declines, people will be on his ass about being arrogant, and if he accepts he is admitting he doesn’t know what he’s doing and needs help. Personal opinion about his approach and goals notwithstanding, condescension doesn’t get anyone anywhere. If PX wanted a coach I’m sure he’d be able to hire one for himself.[/quote]

Well that’s not my goal but I do get your point and from looking at it from his side I’d tend to agree with you here actually

Dismiss everything if you think this is crap PX and just dont reply, no problem here

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[quote]zraw wrote:

[quote]Purple wrote:
What kind of passive aggressive bullshit is it to post this in an open forum to a guy that’s been around for years and made more progress than most. If he declines, people will be on his ass about being arrogant, and if he accepts he is admitting he doesn’t know what he’s doing and needs help. Personal opinion about his approach and goals notwithstanding, condescension doesn’t get anyone anywhere. If PX wanted a coach I’m sure he’d be able to hire one for himself.[/quote]

Well that’s not my goal but I do get your point and from looking at it from his side I’d tend to agree with you here actually

Dismiss everything if you think this is crap PX and just dont reply, no problem here[/quote]
Zraw will you see X if he replies? Have you still got him on ignore or have you stopped with that?

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[quote]steven alex wrote:

[quote]zraw wrote:

[quote]Purple wrote:
What kind of passive aggressive bullshit is it to post this in an open forum to a guy that’s been around for years and made more progress than most. If he declines, people will be on his ass about being arrogant, and if he accepts he is admitting he doesn’t know what he’s doing and needs help. Personal opinion about his approach and goals notwithstanding, condescension doesn’t get anyone anywhere. If PX wanted a coach I’m sure he’d be able to hire one for himself.[/quote]

Well that’s not my goal but I do get your point and from looking at it from his side I’d tend to agree with you here actually

Dismiss everything if you think this is crap PX and just dont reply, no problem here[/quote]
Zraw will you see X if he replies? Have you still got him on ignore or have you stopped with that?
[/quote]

No I just stopped going in threads that I see turning into huge shitstorms and decided to focus on the usefull stuff

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[quote]zraw wrote:

[quote]steven alex wrote:

[quote]zraw wrote:

[quote]Purple wrote:
What kind of passive aggressive bullshit is it to post this in an open forum to a guy that’s been around for years and made more progress than most. If he declines, people will be on his ass about being arrogant, and if he accepts he is admitting he doesn’t know what he’s doing and needs help. Personal opinion about his approach and goals notwithstanding, condescension doesn’t get anyone anywhere. If PX wanted a coach I’m sure he’d be able to hire one for himself.[/quote]

Well that’s not my goal but I do get your point and from looking at it from his side I’d tend to agree with you here actually

Dismiss everything if you think this is crap PX and just dont reply, no problem here[/quote]
Zraw will you see X if he replies? Have you still got him on ignore or have you stopped with that?
[/quote]

No I just stopped going in threads that I see turning into huge shitstorms and decided to focus on the usefull stuff[/quote]
Well I think its a great offer but I agree with a few posters already that he will most likely decline. But thats fine because those who you have onboard will be well worth watching.

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Yeah I also do think he will decline, and thats fine

But ive had my fair share of life lesson of “never assume anything”

Thats really just it

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[quote]zraw wrote:

[quote]Purple wrote:
What kind of passive aggressive bullshit is it to post this in an open forum to a guy that’s been around for years and made more progress than most. If he declines, people will be on his ass about being arrogant, and if he accepts he is admitting he doesn’t know what he’s doing and needs help. Personal opinion about his approach and goals notwithstanding, condescension doesn’t get anyone anywhere. If PX wanted a coach I’m sure he’d be able to hire one for himself.[/quote]

Well that’s not my goal but I do get your point and from looking at it from his side I’d tend to agree with you here actually

Dismiss everything if you think this is crap PX and just dont reply, no problem here[/quote]

You saying that proves me wrong about your intentions I guess, and yes I was looking at it from PX’s stead. Coaching is great, I have one, but this feels like having a guy walk up to you in the gym and going: “dude, you need help.” lol

That said, it would be cool to see this play out if he wanted to do it. It would also be great to see some sense of camaraderie restored to these forums, it seems to me far too much time is spent arguing about things that really don’t matter. Sure there were shitstorms a few years back when I used to post, but the way the forums read today it’s like we never got rid of Dankid at all. hah

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[quote]NikH wrote:

[quote]rds63799 wrote:

[quote]NikH wrote:
PX has too big of an ego to accept this.[/quote]

douchey posts like this will ruin the thread before it even starts[/quote]

Based on PX’s previous posts and overall interaction with zraw in this website, I have high confidence that he will decline to zraw’s offer.

better?[/quote]

obviously

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[quote]Purple wrote:

[quote]zraw wrote:

[quote]Purple wrote:
What kind of passive aggressive bullshit is it to post this in an open forum to a guy that’s been around for years and made more progress than most. If he declines, people will be on his ass about being arrogant, and if he accepts he is admitting he doesn’t know what he’s doing and needs help. Personal opinion about his approach and goals notwithstanding, condescension doesn’t get anyone anywhere. If PX wanted a coach I’m sure he’d be able to hire one for himself.[/quote]

Well that’s not my goal but I do get your point and from looking at it from his side I’d tend to agree with you here actually

Dismiss everything if you think this is crap PX and just dont reply, no problem here[/quote]

You saying that proves me wrong about your intentions I guess, and yes I was looking at it from PX’s stead. Coaching is great, I have one, but this feels like having a guy walk up to you in the gym and going: “dude, you need help.” lol

That said, it would be cool to see this play out if he wanted to do it. It would also be great to see some sense of camaraderie restored to these forums, it seems to me far too much time is spent arguing about things that really don’t matter. Sure there were shitstorms a few years back when I used to post, but the way the forums read today it’s like we never got rid of Dankid at all. hah[/quote]
I agree that it’d be cool if X says yes, but I don’t agree with your first paragraph. IMO the reason the heavythrower and marzouk transformations will be awesome is because those guys (like X) have been very successful in getting huge.

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Purple wrote:
What kind of passive aggressive bullshit is it to post this in an open forum to a guy that’s been around for years and made more progress than most. If he declines, people will be on his ass about being arrogant, and if he accepts he is admitting he doesn’t know what he’s doing and needs help. Personal opinion about his approach and goals notwithstanding, condescension doesn’t get anyone anywhere. If PX wanted a coach I’m sure he’d be able to hire one for himself.[/quote]

I would not say that offering free personalized coaching and nutritional advice is passive aggressive. I do not see how accepting coaching is “admitting you don’t know what you’re doing and needs help”? Every single top competitor has coaching. Every top level athlete in any sport has coaching. It is not “admitting you don’t know what you’re doing” it is getting outside opinions and help while having an objective viewer to oversee things.

.[/quote]

I know man, but try seeing it from the perspective of the man it was offered to in this particular environment.

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Hey Zraw. What do you hope to gain from the experience of working with PX?

Are you thinking you might want to do this for a living like JM?

That’s a neat aspiration and I wish you well.

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Every single top competitor has coaching. Every top level athlete in any sport has coaching. It is not “admitting you don’t know what you’re doing” it is getting outside opinions and help while having an objective viewer to oversee things.
[/quote]

I was thinking about posting something about this in X’s perception thread. If you look at what makes every great athlete, objective outide opinions to provide feedback is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. Geoff Colvin, in Talent is Overrated, explains how “deliberate practice” makes the best athletes excel over others, and immediate, objective feedback is a part of deliberate pracice.

One thing that stands out to me with Prof X is how closed off he is to outside, differing opinions/ideas/realities. He seems to have set up a barrier that completely dismisses anything he doesn’t want to hear as bullshit. If the feedback he’s getting isn’t “great arms, X” or “Lookin’ huge, X!” he’s likely to dismiss someone saying “You’re looking more defined!” (ie, leaner) or “That shirt’s fitting you really well lately!” (ie, you might’ve gotten a little smaller.)

So really, when X is talking about limitations, he could actually be limiting himself by not accepting a NECCESSARY part of the process to become great.

It’s kinda bullshit, because it would be pretty fuckin’ sweet to see X leaned out. It’s a win/win, really. X could be ripped and Z could be THE guy who got him there. If Zraw’s trying to turn online coaching into a business, this would be fucking massive for him!

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Every single top competitor has coaching. Every top level athlete in any sport has coaching. It is not “admitting you don’t know what you’re doing” it is getting outside opinions and help while having an objective viewer to oversee things.
[/quote]

I was thinking about posting something about this in X’s perception thread. If you look at what makes every great athlete, objective outide opinions to provide feedback is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. Geoff Colvin, in Talent is Overrated, explains how “deliberate practice” makes the best athletes excel over others, and immediate, objective feedback is a part of deliberate pracice.

One thing that stands out to me with Prof X is how closed off he is to outside, differing opinions/ideas/realities. He seems to have set up a barrier that completely dismisses anything he doesn’t want to hear as bullshit. If the feedback he’s getting isn’t “great arms, X” or “Lookin’ huge, X!” he’s likely to dismiss someone saying “You’re looking more defined!” (ie, leaner) or “That shirt’s fitting you really well lately!” (ie, you might’ve gotten a little smaller.)

So really, when X is talking about limitations, he could actually be limiting himself by not accepting a NECCESSARY part of the process to become great.

It’s kinda bullshit, because it would be pretty fuckin’ sweet to see X leaned out. It’s a win/win, really. X could be ripped and Z could be THE guy who got him there. If Zraw’s trying to turn online coaching into a business, this would be fucking massive for him![/quote]

Great post! Exactly what I said to him in the Limits thread.

PS: I love your posts as of late. I know I irritated you a few years back, but I know you’re a good guy. The “Brick vs. Bodyguard” thread was hysterical! At least I’m alright with some people breaking my balls (in a good way), from time to time, unlike some people (wink).

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if nothing else, X should be on 3-4iu of GH imo… he’s getting up there in age isn’t he? …and the GH will help with joints, ligaments, and noticeably improve fat loss.

my $.02 lawlz

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Every single top competitor has coaching. Every top level athlete in any sport has coaching. It is not “admitting you don’t know what you’re doing” it is getting outside opinions and help while having an objective viewer to oversee things.
[/quote]

I was thinking about posting something about this in X’s perception thread. If you look at what makes every great athlete, objective outide opinions to provide feedback is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. Geoff Colvin, in Talent is Overrated, explains how “deliberate practice” makes the best athletes excel over others, and immediate, objective feedback is a part of deliberate pracice.

One thing that stands out to me with Prof X is how closed off he is to outside, differing opinions/ideas/realities. He seems to have set up a barrier that completely dismisses anything he doesn’t want to hear as bullshit. If the feedback he’s getting isn’t “great arms, X” or “Lookin’ huge, X!” he’s likely to dismiss someone saying “You’re looking more defined!” (ie, leaner) or “That shirt’s fitting you really well lately!” (ie, you might’ve gotten a little smaller.)

So really, when X is talking about limitations, he could actually be limiting himself by not accepting a NECCESSARY part of the process to become great.

It’s kinda bullshit, because it would be pretty fuckin’ sweet to see X leaned out. It’s a win/win, really. X could be ripped and Z could be THE guy who got him there. If Zraw’s trying to turn online coaching into a business, this would be fucking massive for him![/quote]
Good post.

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[quote]Purple wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Purple wrote:
What kind of passive aggressive bullshit is it to post this in an open forum to a guy that’s been around for years and made more progress than most. If he declines, people will be on his ass about being arrogant, and if he accepts he is admitting he doesn’t know what he’s doing and needs help. Personal opinion about his approach and goals notwithstanding, condescension doesn’t get anyone anywhere. If PX wanted a coach I’m sure he’d be able to hire one for himself.[/quote]

I would not say that offering free personalized coaching and nutritional advice is passive aggressive. I do not see how accepting coaching is “admitting you don’t know what you’re doing and needs help”? Every single top competitor has coaching. Every top level athlete in any sport has coaching. It is not “admitting you don’t know what you’re doing” it is getting outside opinions and help while having an objective viewer to oversee things.

.[/quote]

I know man, but try seeing it from the perspective of the man it was offered to in this particular environment. [/quote]

I understand that perspective as well. I assume it would be taken as a ego jab from the other guys perspective.

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Every single top competitor has coaching. Every top level athlete in any sport has coaching. It is not “admitting you don’t know what you’re doing” it is getting outside opinions and help while having an objective viewer to oversee things.
[/quote]

I was thinking about posting something about this in X’s perception thread. If you look at what makes every great athlete, objective outide opinions to provide feedback is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. Geoff Colvin, in Talent is Overrated, explains how “deliberate practice” makes the best athletes excel over others, and immediate, objective feedback is a part of deliberate pracice.

One thing that stands out to me with Prof X is how closed off he is to outside, differing opinions/ideas/realities. He seems to have set up a barrier that completely dismisses anything he doesn’t want to hear as bullshit. If the feedback he’s getting isn’t “great arms, X” or “Lookin’ huge, X!” he’s likely to dismiss someone saying “You’re looking more defined!” (ie, leaner) or “That shirt’s fitting you really well lately!” (ie, you might’ve gotten a little smaller.)

So really, when X is talking about limitations, he could actually be limiting himself by not accepting a NECCESSARY part of the process to become great.

It’s kinda bullshit, because it would be pretty fuckin’ sweet to see X leaned out. It’s a win/win, really. X could be ripped and Z could be THE guy who got him there. If Zraw’s trying to turn online coaching into a business, this would be fucking massive for him![/quote]

I will second or third what others have already pointed out but:

Good Post :slight_smile:

For a lot of lifters, myself included at a time, you get “obsessed” with numbers. You chase a number on the scale and look past some things in the mirror because of the blinders you have put on yourself while chasing a scale weight. I’m not saying this is what Professor X does it did but I have seen it and I’ve done it. It’s natural and happens for, I would be willing to bet, almost everyone.

If you can get past this mentality that is when great things happen physique wise IMO. Would X be “smaller” if he was a ripped up 200 to 210 pounds? Of course. Would he LOOK bigger? Definitely. Bodybuilding is a strange endevour. Getting smaller makes you looks bigger lol.

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[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Hey Zraw. What do you hope to gain from the experience of working with PX?

Are you thinking you might want to do this for a living like JM?[/quote]
I was kinda wondering this too. Not to bust your balls, Zraw, but are you currently training clients IRL or online and do you have experience/training as a trainer? Legit and sincere questions.

It’s pretty cool that you’re offering to guide all these guys, well not so much “guide” but flat-out train and handle nutrition, but I don’t remember you mentioning a background in personal training. If you do, then disregard these points for sure, but working with clients, especially over the long-term (I think you said you were looking to help these guys for quite a while) where more obstacles will inevitably pop up, and it’s challenging enough to deal with them in person. Online consulting makes it a degree harder.

The guys you’re working with are very diverse (young inexperienced dude, older very experienced dude with hectic schedule, middle-age dude with consistency issues) and I expect each of them to challenge you with different scenarios as time goes on. I could be far off on all this and it’ll be a crazy success on all fronts, which would definitely be great for everyone involved.

But I do have to agree with some of the folks here because I think you overstepped when you made this particular thread. You cannot go from saying the entire forum should put X on ignore two months ago to now offering to help him out. It comes across as kinda arrogant ad condescending, though I’m sure that wasn’t where you were coming from. Best of luck anyhow.

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[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:

[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Hey Zraw. What do you hope to gain from the experience of working with PX?

Are you thinking you might want to do this for a living like JM?[/quote]
I was kinda wondering this too. Not to bust your balls, Zraw, but are you currently training clients IRL or online and do you have experience/training as a trainer? Legit and sincere questions.

It’s pretty cool that you’re offering to guide all these guys, well not so much “guide” but flat-out train and handle nutrition, but I don’t remember you mentioning a background in personal training. If you do, then disregard these points for sure, but working with clients, especially over the long-term (I think you said you were looking to help these guys for quite a while) where more obstacles will inevitably pop up, and it’s challenging enough to deal with them in person. Online consulting makes it a degree harder.

The guys you’re working with are very diverse (young inexperienced dude, older very experienced dude with hectic schedule, middle-age dude with consistency issues) and I expect each of them to challenge you with different scenarios as time goes on. I could be far off on all this and it’ll be a crazy success on all fronts, which would definitely be great for everyone involved.

But I do have to agree with some of the folks here because I think you overstepped when you made this particular thread. You cannot go from saying the entire forum should put X on ignore two months ago to now offering to help him out. It comes across as kinda arrogant ad condescending, though I’m sure that wasn’t where you were coming from. Best of luck anyhow.[/quote]

Chris, I don’t think I have ever disagreed with anything you have ever posted here…till now.

With this forum full of bickering and shitstorms, these help threads are about the only thing really helping anybody…it’s not like Zraw is charging anybody for his advice.

And for somebody to be the bigger person and offer to help somebody (who was not the nicest person to them over a long period of time) strikes me more as a olive branch than arrogant.

Don’t take this the wrong way, love what you do here on the site, but just my .02 cents.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Chris, I don’t think I have ever disagreed with anything you have ever posted here…till now.

With this forum full of bickering and shitstorms, these help threads are about the only thing really helping anybody…it’s not like Zraw is charging anybody for his advice.

And for somebody to be the bigger person and offer to help somebody (who was not the nicest person to them over a long period of time) strikes me more as a olive branch than arrogant.

Don’t take this the wrong way, love what you do here on the site, but just my .02 cents.[/quote]
Fair enough. Despite recent threads to the contrary, there’s nothing wrong with having different opinions on a subject. :wink:

I do definitely think it’s a positive step to be helping guys out, and I can see what you’re saying about it maybe being more of an olive branch towards X. To be fair, I didn’t follow the entire “ignore Prof X” thread but I skimmed the start and finish of the thread. To me though, it seems hard to reconcile even starting a thread like that and then being like, “Really though, I’ll help you out now.”

Training both young guys or HT or Marzouk would’ve been cool enough. I just don’t think that offering to help X was “worth it”. It would’ve been cool to see, of course, but from how I thought things were between these guys, I figured everyone, Zraw included, knew what the answer would be before asking.

Also, I’m not trying to “call out” Zraw on his training experience. I’m mostly just curious and it’s something I would’ve asked about even if I were a prospective client. It’s undeniable that he looks great, but I believe that “training self to look awesome” doesn’t always translate to being able to “train others to look awesome.” (That’s a topic for another thread entirely., and probably one that’s been done to death anyhow.)

Again, though, that he’s volunteering to do this is a step up for the forum.

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[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:

[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Hey Zraw. What do you hope to gain from the experience of working with PX?

Are you thinking you might want to do this for a living like JM?[/quote]
I was kinda wondering this too. Not to bust your balls, Zraw, but are you currently training clients IRL or online and do you have experience/training as a trainer? Legit and sincere questions.

It’s pretty cool that you’re offering to guide all these guys, well not so much “guide” but flat-out train and handle nutrition, but I don’t remember you mentioning a background in personal training. If you do, then disregard these points for sure, but working with clients, especially over the long-term (I think you said you were looking to help these guys for quite a while) where more obstacles will inevitably pop up, and it’s challenging enough to deal with them in person. Online consulting makes it a degree harder.

The guys you’re working with are very diverse (young inexperienced dude, older very experienced dude with hectic schedule, middle-age dude with consistency issues) and I expect each of them to challenge you with different scenarios as time goes on. I could be far off on all this and it’ll be a crazy success on all fronts, which would definitely be great for everyone involved.

But I do have to agree with some of the folks here because I think you overstepped when you made this particular thread. You cannot go from saying the entire forum should put X on ignore two months ago to now offering to help him out. It comes across as kinda arrogant ad condescending, though I’m sure that wasn’t where you were coming from. Best of luck anyhow.[/quote]

I might be wrong but CC you were in my honest opinion the best poster here or at least one of the best a few months back.
What happened i have no clue but my impression is your account was hacked and a different person is posting under your account.
If it is still you i wish you all the best !
I and probably many miss the always there to help, highly knowledgeable, very generous guy.