Ok how do you recommend using waxy maize as a PWO supplement? i take 70-85 grams PWO along with 6 grams leucine, 10 grams glutamine and 7 grams creatine. then 30-45 min later i take 40 grams whey and 20 grams casein hows that?
sounds good, but why take the casein post workout, save it for before bed.
Why casein?
Do you want to slow your absorption of protein?
I know there’s a school of thought that reccomends combining whey/casein PWO, but I’m a traditionalist and I have a hard time wrapping my head around that theory.
My current PWO protocol is similar -
80g Waxy Maize
10g of BCAAs
Twenty minutes later, 40g of whey protein isolate.
IMO whey isolate is the way to go. Here’s what I’m going to do. Just ordered some.
(pre-workout)
50g Whey Protein w/ WAXY MAIZE at least 50g carbs
GYM: WEIGHT TRAINING
(post-workout)
Same as above.
[quote]esk221 wrote:
I know there’s a school of thought that reccomends combining whey/casein PWO, but I’m a traditionalist and I have a hard time wrapping my head around that theory.
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thats why, ive read studies stating that subjects gained more muscle mass when combining whey and casein together post workout. i personally dont know if its true but why not try it ive been doing it 2 days inna row and i still consume the cals after my shake
have you used the Search funciton on this topic? It has been discussed before. If you add anything to waxy maize it slows the absorption rate and makes it no better than anything else. So you might as well save your money.
Thibs has talked about waxy maize in his Thib Zone thread.
Use the search funciton.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
have you used the Search funciton on this topic? It has been discussed before. If you add anything to waxy maize it slows the absorption rate and makes it no better than anything else. So you might as well save your money.
Thibs has talked about waxy maize in his Thib Zone thread.
Use the search funciton.[/quote]
do you feel better about yourself knowing how to use the search by referring to it? twice no less. the second part of your post was all i really needed, not a tutorial on how to use the site, thanks though.
[quote]diamonddelts59 wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
have you used the Search funciton on this topic? It has been discussed before. If you add anything to waxy maize it slows the absorption rate and makes it no better than anything else. So you might as well save your money.
Thibs has talked about waxy maize in his Thib Zone thread.
Use the search funciton.
do you feel better about yourself knowing how to use the search by referring to it? twice no less. the second part of your post was all i really needed, not a tutorial on how to use the site, thanks though.[/quote]
yes… I feel much better.
and see now I have shared the knowledge, shared the love.
why didn’t you use the SEARCH function in the first place if you knew it was there?
you and CJK have pimped the same avatar
pull your head out and stop bitching
Ok, I have a question for the waxy maize users.
From what I have read it seems that the advantage of WM is that it passes through the stomach faster (20 minutes, according to Justin Harris.) Thus, it is in your bloodstream faster, and creates an insulin response quicker.
But since you can’t combine protein with it, you have to wait to drink the protein, delaying it to your muscles.
Why not just drink a regular pre-workout shake? What’s the difference?
[quote]Brant_Drake wrote:
Ok, I have a question for the waxy maize users.
From what I have read it seems that the advantage of WM is that it passes through the stomach faster (20 minutes, according to Justin Harris.) Thus, it is in your bloodstream faster, and creates an insulin response quicker.
But since you can’t combine protein with it, you have to wait to drink the protein, delaying it to your muscles.
Why not just drink a regular pre-workout shake? What’s the difference?[/quote]
I could only see there being a difference, perhaps, if WMS was taken with amino acids instead of protein.
Here is what Thibs says about waxy maize
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
I’m not saying that vitargo isn’t good. In fact, when taken by itself, vitargo (waxy maize) is probably the best carb to quickly refill muscle glycogen. BUT (and that is a big but) the reason for that superiority is lost as soon as it’s taken with something else.
You see, vitargo/waxy maize is good because of its molecual weight, which makes it absorbable 80% faster than regular carbs powder. However when you mix it with other ingredients like amino acids, protein, creatine, etc. the combined molecular weight of the product becomes ‘‘normal’’ and the mixture is thus not absorbed any faster than other carbs/amino acids/protein formulas.
So in that regard it isn’t worse and it isn’t better… it’s just more expensive. [/quote]
and here is the link to one of the threads on waxy maize
From my understanding, as long as you don’t add too much protein, aminos,or creatine to the wazymaize, the quick absorption / gastric emptying will not be compromised.
It is compromised once the amount of protein, aminos, and other substances added are too high in comparison to the WM.
On elitefts.com Justin Harris even recommends to add whey hydrosolate (i believe the main protein in Surge) because it is the most easily absorbed / quickest to break down and get to the blood.
In another article by Berardi he recommends that too much protein SHOULD NOT be used during the workout window, because it is not necessary, and excessive could be converted to glucose/glycogen, and some would say wasted.
Take home lesson? I believe that a workout mixture containing Waxy Maize should not be everpowered by protein or other substances, so if it is going to have 50g Carbs from WM, limit your whey to about 15-20g, creatine to normal 5g, and toss in about 10-20g BCAA if you got the coin for it.
Then get your carb and protein solid meal in a bit after.
I haven’t been fortunate enough to try Surge Recovery yet, so I cannot compare the two, but the waxymaize mixture I suggested above leaves me with A LOT less bloat than does mixing gatorade powder with whey (at the same amount of carbs, protein, and bcaa)
And thanks for the invite octobergirl
The Waxy Maize I purchased is much cheaper per serving than Surge, so I wouldn’t say they equal in every category.
[quote]esk221 wrote:
The Waxy Maize I purchased is much cheaper per serving than Surge, so I wouldn’t say they equal in every category.[/quote]
The comparison is illogical.
You should be comparing WM to a dextrose/maltodextrin blend.
Surge has WPH and BCAA, so it’s for more than just carbs, and most people are going to want these in addition to carbs PWO.
[quote]esk221 wrote:
The Waxy Maize I purchased is much cheaper per serving than Surge, so I wouldn’t say they equal in every category.[/quote]
Were you talking about my post specifically? Because I was not trying to say they were equal. I’ve never even used Surge.