I had a previous thread where I was trying to absorb information from all of you about this PWO carbohydrate.
Very few people had experience using it and it was difficult to know a couple things:
…its effects
…how it differs from a product like Surge…etc.
Surge is a great product Biotest tastes great- I just finished a container and while I wait for my new one I will be trying Waxy Maize PWO. Some people do not handle glucose or dextrose well and it makes them bloated or crash, soo this could be an alternative.
I have used it already PWO, and if anyone has any questions I guess I can be the “guinea pig”.
So any questions can be posted and ill check from time to time to try and help out.
I’d like to hear how the crash is. Surge is amazing, and has given me absolutely AMAZING results, I swear by this stuff. That being said, I crash very hard from this stuff if I don’t get food in my system within 30 minutes after having it.
Id say if your not crashing or having to get a meal timed pretty quick after a PWO shake then the PWO shake is not working fast enough or spiking insulin to the extent Id want it for to do its intended purpose. No??
WMS as far as I know has no impact on insulin, which is the primary reason for PWON. Unless you are very concerned about glycogen levels, I would not take this on it’s own. Mix it with Surge.
you dont need to mix it with malto, or dextrose or even d-glucose…the point is to fill muscles with glycogen and you can also add creatine/bcaa’s to improve the absorption of these nutrients.
Take it with your creatine and BCAA’s…follow with a protein shake about 15min later (just whey )
I dont really crash on Surge because I eat about an hour after my Surge… Dave Barr and many of the T-Nation writers suggest eating a whole food meal after your Surge and it also says ON THE LABEL…
That being said…I dont crash on Waxy maze either… this starch is insulinogenic, but theres no sugar or anything which might help you…if you do crash…I still think you should eat though…
[quote]chriscarani wrote:
WMS as far as I know has no impact on insulin, which is the primary reason for PWON. Unless you are very concerned about glycogen levels, I would not take this on it’s own. Mix it with Surge. [/quote]
How does it have no impact on insulin? It’s a high G.I. carb ain’t it?
[quote]Millerizer130 wrote:
I have now used it with multiple workouts (different types of sessions/different exercises) and witnessed the effects.
Still awaiting any questions
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If youve “witnessed” the effect tell us. I dont know what questions you want. your ingesting a simple carb, A starch much like maltodextrin. So what have these effects been??
[quote]Kamran114 wrote:
chriscarani wrote:
WMS as far as I know has no impact on insulin, which is the primary reason for PWON. Unless you are very concerned about glycogen levels, I would not take this on it’s own. Mix it with Surge.
How does it have no impact on insulin? It’s a high G.I. carb ain’t it?
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I just went back and did some more research, since I first started using it last year. There is still not much info on the subject, but from what I can gather it has no official GI score as of yet. It however does seem to have a similar impact on insulin levels as dextrose.
So my earlier assumption was wrong. I still however believe using a combo of carbs is better than just one, unless you suffer from adverse effects of malto or dext.
Ok dude, sorry, didn’t mean to high jack your thread!
Phil, some users asked if I used it to be available for questioning…some of these specific T-Nation members have yet to appear and ask their questions which is why i was not incredibly specific…when given direction I will provide information.
So…its not necessarily me “wanting questions” …its just I am willing to provide information for those who are curious.
Kamran, in regards to the poster above …it is a very fast acting carb that enters the blood stream and quickly exits the stomach…the digestion process is incredibly rapid…which is great for delivering creatine…or BCAAS to the muscles themselves. The high molecular weight makes this possible
Also for Kamran…the dextrose has a much lower molecular weight than the WMS, which in turn could slow down the absorbtion, which is the main point of PWO carbs (fast absorbtion is desireable in many cases).
[quote]Phill wrote:
Id say if your not crashing or having to get a meal timed pretty quick after a PWO shake then the PWO shake is not working fast enough or spiking insulin to the extent Id want it for to do its intended purpose. No??
Phill[/quote]
Agreed. I always eat again 30-60 minutes after my Surge, with it usually being closer to 30 minutes.
Nobody should try going hours without eating after a PWO shake.
SBT I agree completely. Besides its not like Surge is that filling anyways…
I eat Not only because the authors here say so, but it also clearly states it on the bottle…and.with the fast nature of whey…another meal is needed to level amino’s in the bloodstream
What do you guys think about Vitargo? (and I dont mean the Vitargo CGL by Nutrex).
There is a company who makes pure vitargo and alot say including some research that it passes and pulls more nutrients and water to your muscle and does not give you and discompfort like dextrose and so on.
Has anyone used Vitargo and also tried the maize? If so was there much of a diff?
[quote]chriscarani wrote:
WMS as far as I know has no impact on insulin, which is the primary reason for PWON. Unless you are very concerned about glycogen levels, I would not take this on it’s own. Mix it with Surge. [/quote]
[quote]Bud83bud wrote:
What do you guys think about Vitargo? (and I dont mean the Vitargo CGL by Nutrex).
There is a company who makes pure vitargo and alot say including some research that it passes and pulls more nutrients and water to your muscle and does not give you and discompfort like dextrose and so on.
Has anyone used Vitargo and also tried the maize? If so was there much of a diff?
Bud[/quote]
I tried both but Vitargo was from Sweden , vitargo is barley starch wms is waxy maize starch , I read that wms is better , i didnt notice any difference , for WMS I only tried Amylocel (Waxy Maize Starch)
I’m using it with 50% BCAA ,50% leucine mix , and take 60g WMS and 15g of this mix , 20min after I take whey protein
[quote]Bud83bud wrote:
What do you guys think about Vitargo? (and I dont mean the Vitargo CGL by Nutrex).
There is a company who makes pure vitargo and alot say including some research that it passes and pulls more nutrients and water to your muscle and does not give you and discompfort like dextrose and so on.
Has anyone used Vitargo and also tried the maize? If so was there much of a diff?
Bud[/quote]
From what I understand waxymaize and Vitargo are exactly the same thing, Vitargo is merely a brand of WMS.