[quote]Mr. Push Ups wrote:
my thighs are small as hell.[/quote]
The same holds true for your brain.
[quote]Mr. Push Ups wrote:
175 is lowest i’ve been able to reach in the last 2 yeras, which part of that do you not understand
i got down to 175 in january
i havn’t weighed 170 in 3 or 4 years[/quote]
So this is one of the bulking cycles that you were talking about? 5 lean pounds in 3 or 4 years. You’re the champ! You should write an article entitled “How to achieve fuck all in 3 long years”.
For the actual question on this thread, yes, push ups and their variants are decent exercises, but for gaining mass and strength, the bench press and its variants are superior.
For a comparison, look at the chests of those athletes who do a shitload of pressing (ie powerlifters and bodybuilders) to those who do a lot of push ups (ie boxers and the 170lbs Mr Push-ups). I know which exercise I would choose.
Everybody is right in a sense. Pushups ARE the most effective exercise for the musculature of the Homo Sapien Trollus subspecies, whereas they’re of more limited utility to the Homo Sapien Sapiens.
Jack,
The lats definitely get targeted when doing pushups. Ask anyone who has a profound academical knowledge regarding muscular physiology and sport. Do you really know what the lats are actually for, how they function?
As for the neck, I know a couple of guys who got an enormous neck from pushups. They also get a great pump in them, which most people (as I) do not.
That’s one big difference when comparing BW exercises and weights & machines. Weights and machines can target specific muscles a lot better than BWE.
As I said, the PU mainly targets the large Pec, other muscles are not as heavily involved and some muscles can be targeted but don’t have to- it depends on your push up style and physiology.
Your comment regarding westside is nonsense. I never said anything like “these guys would be better off doing PUs.” Because that would just be garbage.
[quote]The Dark Knight wrote:
Mr. Push Ups wrote:
my thighs are small as hell.
The same holds true for your brain.
[/quote]
you’re a genius, go back to your cave
pffff! loser after loser with no physique…keep em’ coming
[quote]Massif wrote:
For the actual question on this thread, yes, push ups and their variants are decent exercises, but for gaining mass and strength, the bench press and its variants are superior.
[/quote]
horseshit!
not for hypertrophy its not superior.
max loading and strength its superior
no disrespect to you, i’m sure you’re advanced, you just need a little more advancement.
[quote]Mr. Push Ups wrote:
The Dark Knight wrote:
Mr. Push Ups wrote:
my thighs are small as hell.
The same holds true for your brain.
you’re a genius, go back to your cave
pffff! loser sfter loser with no physique…keep em’ coming[/quote]
Boy you sure told him…really this guy is quickly becoming my favorite troll. Not too many trolls try to clog up 2 different threads with their bullshit in one day.
I really like how Mr Push Up Bra posts half a dozen times in a row, in some obsessive maniacal masturbatory blizzard of posts.
Half a dozen Internet tough guy posts, bam bam bam, one after another. Logic is bludgeoned, whimpering, in the corner with it’s tail tucked between it’s legs.
The arrogant attitude of somebody who talks even louder when he doesn’t know what the hell he is talking about.
Any bets on how long he lasts?
[quote]K-Narf wrote:
Mr. Push Ups wrote:
The Dark Knight wrote:
Mr. Push Ups wrote:
my thighs are small as hell.
The same holds true for your brain.
you’re a genius, go back to your cave
pffff! loser sfter loser with no physique…keep em’ coming
Boy you sure told him…really this guy is quickly becoming my favorite troll. Not too many trolls try to clog up 2 different threads with their bullshit in one day.[/quote]
knarf- I’m interested in what you actually think a troll is
ME- someone who post thier opinion or comment to a thread with an answer on the topic, then defends thier point of view
or
YOU- someone who trolls my postd and types insults and flames to my posts, hum? are you even gonna try to post a reply to the threads topic?
You’all need to count your post with insults and actual replies to a thread,
I have found that all the trolls on this site, people like you, post flames and insults to others responding to a threads topic, you do this day in and day out, without ever realting to a thread topic
you trolls are amazing, do you have no social life
i woudn’t waste my time troling others posts, i can see defending my own posts, you guys are a miracle & figured out a way to troll T-Nation and give no advice on a topic
[quote]vroom wrote:
I really like how Mr Push Up Bra posts half a dozen times in a row, in some obsessive maniacal masturbatory blizzard of posts.
Half a dozen Internet tough guy posts, bam bam bam, one after another. Logic is bludgeoned, whimpering, in the corner with it’s tail tucked between it’s legs.
The arrogant attitude of somebody who talks even louder when he doesn’t know what the hell he is talking about.
Any bets on how long he lasts?[/quote]
Ohh he’s a contender I mean someone who can do 100 pushups at a ripped 170…err 17…err 180 pounds can go the distance. He’s on his way to the troll hall of fame.
[quote]Mr. Push Ups wrote:
do you have no social life[/quote]
Considering how much time you spend on these forums (churning out unadulterated bullshit, as widely acknowledged by T-Nation members), you are certainly in no position to ask that question.
[quote]Mr. Push Ups wrote:
Massif wrote:
For the actual question on this thread, yes, push ups and their variants are decent exercises, but for gaining mass and strength, the bench press and its variants are superior.
horseshit!
not for hypertrophy its not superior.
max loading and strength its superior
[/quote]
Well that is an impressive arguement right there.
Where is your proof, genius? Where are the legions of hugely hypertrophied hulks who only do push ups for their routines? Show me one dude who got huge from push ups. You can babble all you want about muscle loading and isolation and all of that shit, but until you show us results, you are nothing.
I can show you thousands of dudes who got huge with the bench press. Where is your proof?
[quote]Mr. Push Ups wrote:
no disrespect to you, i’m sure you’re advanced, you just need a little more advancement. [/quote]
I need a little more advancement? You are probably right (whatever the fuck that means), but I don’t think I’ll find that in the arms of a 170lbs push up machine like yourself.
[quote]vroom wrote:
I really like how Mr Push Up Bra posts half a dozen times in a row, in some obsessive maniacal masturbatory blizzard of posts.
Half a dozen Internet tough guy posts, bam bam bam, one after another. Logic is bludgeoned, whimpering, in the corner with it’s tail tucked between it’s legs.
The arrogant attitude of somebody who talks even louder when he doesn’t know what the hell he is talking about.
Any bets on how long he lasts?[/quote]
The troll is strong in this one…
Sure fire way to tell you’re a troll: you consider everyone else on the forum a troll.
Uhmm… I don’t know what has happened in other threads with Mr.Push Ups…
But what I read here makes sense, he gaved requested advice in a push up thread…He is doing pushups with EXTRA WEIGHT on his back. Why the fuck is this wrong? Sounds to me like weight lifting, he is NOT saying bodyweight only pushup with swissball between your ass.
I dont think anyone here would rip on him if he was talking about Dips with extra weight, pullups with extra weight. OH CRAP this are movements where your body moves thru space and has a “bodyweight” component. Sounds the same to me.
[quote]marcusxavier wrote:
Uhmm… I don’t know what has happened in other threads with Mr.Push Ups…
But what I read here makes sense, he gaved requested advice in a push up thread…He is doing pushups with EXTRA WEIGHT on his back. Why the fuck is this wrong? Sounds to me like weight lifting, he is NOT saying bodyweight only pushup with swissball between your ass.
I dont think anyone here would rip on him if he was talking about Dips with extra weight, pullups with extra weight. OH CRAP this are movements where your body moves thru space and has a “bodyweight” component. Sounds the same to me.
[/quote]
Right on. I’ll claim ignorance on his past posts also, but his advice sounds valid to me. Looks like he’s being picked on cos of a bad rep, kinda like when a rapist gets out of jail in law & order and he gets hounded by the cops even though he’s trying to do the right thing… Yeah… thats a good analogy…!
Why can’t we just live in peace and harmony brothers? Tralalalaaa!
back on topic
nothing beats the bench press for chest development but if you want to add some pushup’s into your routine, consider ring pushup’s (weighted or unweighted) and pylo pushup’s.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Jack,
The lats definitely get targeted when doing pushups. Ask anyone who has a profound academical knowledge regarding muscular physiology and sport. Do you really know what the lats are actually for, how they function?
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Or I can drop and bust out a quick 50, feel the lactic acid, and tell you that you’re a fucking dumbass. The lats are for PULLING, not pushing, moron.
Oh fuck off, enormous necks from push-ups? Just stop it, seriously, stop. What your saying is now beyond the relm of retarded, you’ve just entered scientifically impossible.
“The large Pec”??? You mean pectorial major? Push-up style? STYLE?!?!? You mean hand and foot placement, god you’re an idiot.
OH REALLY?!?!? Of course it would be garbage, just like your entire idea of a workout. If you actually think you can get a bigger neck from PUSH-UPS!!! Then you, sir, are the stupidest person alive. You win the 06 award for TSB.
Good day.
I know I’ll probably get attacked for this but:
The exercise you choose depends on your goals. If you have to punch and kick repeatedly for 2 or 3 minute rounds, then pushups are excellent. They are great at working a lot of the body. Ask any UFC fighter.
If you want to have pure power and only need to throw a few punches (such as in a bar fight), then benching is fine. However, realize that if you bench only, your body will not know how to best use this strength. Your punches will be sloppy and uncoordinated. You must include pushups as a whole-body exercise. (Even better in this regard would be Burpees.)
If your only goal is to ‘look tough’ and intimidating, then bench only. But don’t expect those pretty muscles to save you against a trained fighter.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
If you want to have pure power and only need to throw a few punches (such as in a bar fight), then benching is fine. However, realize that if you bench only, your body will not know how to best use this strength.
[/quote]
Best use it? What the fuck does that mean? I sense another “functional strength” war starting again. I use my bench strength EVERY time I bench. So unless you plan on bench pressing a UFC fighter to death, fuck off.
Benching makes you sloppy and uncoordinated? Really? And push-ups, on the floor, the same motion as the bench, do differently? You’re idiot functional muscle theory makes me laugh. Punching skill and coordination comes from practice of the technique, not push-ups. If you concider push-ups a whole body exercise, you’re on the wrong site.
Another crossfit chump… How sad.
[quote]
If your only goal is to ‘look tough’ and intimidating, then bench only. But don’t expect those pretty muscles to save you against a trained fighter.[/quote]
Who the fuck “benches only” when they weight train? And when the fuck did this become UFC? This is a BB site pal, not some UFC crossfit hangout. We train to get bigger and stronger, not to do a few extra push-ups. You little fucks are pissing me off. I can’t believe your posts even get approved, all this damn nonsense should be setting off red flags everywhere.
You need to understand where the fuck you are. T-Nation, bodybuilding’s think-tank, NOT Bruce Lee’s asshole.