Hey guys. I wanna vent and possibly get some insight from those of you who have done more then one push/pull.
My Stats:
Weight: 190lbs
Height: 6’-1"
Deadlift: 415lbs
Bench: 265lbs
This will be my second competition and the competition is the first weekend in December, so I have just under two months to figure my shit out.
I’m thinking of competing in the 181 weight class as opposed to the 198 weight class for the reason that I don’t think that I’d be able to be a ‘dense’ 198 and because I assume the people in the 198 class will be pulling over 500. I’m shooting to (if i go for the 181 class) pull 450 and bench 275.
Well thats lofty dropping down LBS and getting a 35lb PR in 2 months but hey why aim low.
Only thing I see else is look to the future future goals where are you wanting to go with this. You have to think about the biog picture. @ 6’1" your a VERY VERY tall 181. Hell your a tall 198.
Id just say look to the future will dropping to this weight class advance that the ultimate goal.
I am gonna give you my outlook on it. It is just my opinion, take it for what it is worth. I never sacrifice strength for a better trophy. This means I would rather total higher and come in third, than basically be weaker and come in first. I like to do push/pulls and border on weight classes too, but I train for strength and not trophys. Which will make you happier a new PR or a bigger trophy? You also may get to lift againist stronger lifters. This will only make you stronger. I understand there are some meets you may have, that you feel you need to cut weight for various reasons, but try just getting as strong as possible without checking the scales and you just might like it. Good luck either way!
[quote]Eric Cressey wrote:
YOu could make 181 tomorrow if you did it right. It’s going to depend on whether or not you have a 24-hour weigh-in, though.
That’s true. I could drop the weight really quick if I had the means to do so.
But from what I know about dropping weight that fast; you tend to loose (in my case) too much strength; and for a push/pull…that is the last thing i wanna lose.
In the long run, I’d like to weigh a good 195-200lbs with 12-15% BF so, i’ll keep on doing what i’m doing as it stands right now
[quote]B rocK wrote:
Eric Cressey wrote:
YOu could make 181 tomorrow if you did it right. It’s going to depend on whether or not you have a 24-hour weigh-in, though.
That’s true. I could drop the weight really quick if I had the means to do so.
But from what I know about dropping weight that fast; you tend to loose (in my case) too much strength; and for a push/pull…that is the last thing i wanna lose.
In the long run, I’d like to weigh a good 195-200lbs with 12-15% BF so, i’ll keep on doing what i’m doing as it stands right now[/quote]
You can actually gain strength if you do it correctly (glycogen supercompensation), and remember that you have 24 hours to rehydrate. I’ve done A LOT more than what you’re considering without having any problems.
I am sitting here trying to come up with a reason whe we would ever have a young lifter cut 9#'s going into their second meet, and I really can’t come up with a good one other than if they were going after a record or trying to achieve a qualifier.
If anything, we would instill patience in training hard and eating like you have a tape worm to become a full 198 over time.
Regardless if you could lose 9#'s “overnight”, who in their right mind would want to? Also, you have to ask yourself to what advantage?
Lift at the weight you happen to be at that morning.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Eric Cressey wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
We are pretty close size and weight and lifts.
I have never competed in any form of lifting.
Are these numbers any good for a regional type competition?
There are several more (based on different federations’ gear and weigh-in standards), but this is the one specific to my federation.
That is a lot of iron. I have never had a good back squat and it is only worse since my knee injury.
I consider my deadlift OK.
Even when I pull out what is the likely squat number I would embarrass myself trying to compete with people that get close to those numbers.
Thanks for the link.[/quote]
That is a multi-ply geared federations numbers. The gear can add a good bit of pounds to the total. Check out the raw federations numbers and classifications. You would probably do better than you think. I thought the same thing when I checked out some of the meet results before I realized the equiptment factor, which can make up for hundreds of pounds.
Look into 100% raw, AAU,and NASA. These offer unequipped or raw divisions in which a belt is the only supportive equiptment allowed. Go compete, it is a blast, and you will do fine.
It’s a USAPL meet, and it does have a 24 hr weigh in. That weight would be easy to drop overnight and put back on, however I still recommended staying in the 198’s.
What he’s not telling you, is he just rack pulled 500, a 75lb pr over the course of a month.
I would go with 198’s mainly because this is your second meet and you are trying to get stronger. When I got started I was about your weight, 190 and did 198’s for a while until I grew into it. Then as I got better for some big meets I would drop weight and do the 181’s because I was more concerned with placing.
Regarding your lifts and for others who asked, here a general guideline for RAW lifting in a push pull at 198
Respectable
275 BP
420 DL
Good
350 BP
520 DL
Great
400 BP
600 DL
Good luck with it, I am doing a push/pull next week so hopefully it will go well.