Fuck with my family and you would pay for it. My dogs… are my family…
So fucking with my dogs will get you in hot water with me.
Those punk ass kids should be made a lesson off. Im sure we can all come up with some ideas.
They will probaly get a hand slap and be back out be assclowning around by twomorrow.
Some people might talk shit about a man “woman” and there dog/dogs but If you have ever had one you know how tight you can really be. Unconditional loyalty is just a start…
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
First, I was referring specifically to the group that ambushed the seals. Assuming they were in some way related to the Taliban guy the seals were after, I would consider them such. [/quote]
There was nothing “specific” in your post. And even the US military refers to that group as insurgents (i.e: rebels challenging Kabul’s authority).
I suppose Lift doesn’t like the idea of his tax dollars used to wage wars of aggression.
Make me!
So because I don’t consider this person a “hero”, I must be a Taliban supporter?
Brilliant!
Exactly where did I cheer at a “civilian beheading”?
If each of us would tend to his own “shit pile”, the world would be a better place.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Take responsibility and defend YOUR OWN FUCKING SELVES!! you whiney, lazy, sniveling, testosterone lacking weaklings!!
Don’t allow your government to murder people on the other side of the world in the name of “democracy and freedom”. The US doesn’t have a leg to stand on when it comes to freedom anymore. That ship has sailed.
We are all slaves here.
The difference is I do not bow to the false god “democracy”.
… then go live somewhere else.
According you your anarchist beliefs, the man had the right to impose what he deemed a just response. Who are you to judge that decisions he made on his own whether here or abroad were “bad”?
You don’t have the right to impose your will and morals on his actions and life. It’s like you are trying to govern and control other people.
I can live anywhere I want. That is the thing about being an anarchist. We don’t have to give into some false notions of nationality. Also what does it say about where one lives if one has to flee his government?
Nor do I impose anything on anyone. I certainly don’t make you do or believe anything that you don’t want to – that is all on you and your imagination. I am subject to the rules that govern private property here on T-Nation just like any other member. If I am allowed to express my opinions it is because the owners of this site graciously let me. That is real freedom right there. Not some nationalistically driven bullshit lie.
I care neither about the man nor the dog in this “news” story. I just thought it was ironic.
First, you’re at best cold in you statement. Would you not care if it was his actual daughter they killed?
I’m just pointing out that as an anarchist it’s pretty useless to have opinions on anything outside of your own body because your political belief forbids external intervention in situations. Essentially, “you shouldn’t kill your neighbor’s dog, but if you do, it’s none of my business.”
Why may I ask do you not care about an innocent animal being executed, but apparently care so much about willing participants in a conflict between opposing groups being killed thousands of miles away. Isn’t the animal living completely by anarchist ideals? For some reason are the “terrorists in the hills” more deserving of your sympathy? If the soldier is guilty than certainly the guys they are fighting are too. So, why are you so defensive about their “murder”?
In the very basic scheme of it the soldier is doing what he thinks best for him and his under the circumstances he is in. Why do you think that is wrong? Should we try to stop him from doing what he thinks best? If not, then why accuse someone of murder if you don’t think anything should be done about it. If you do think something should be done and individual soldiers should be forcibly stopped, then you aren’t an anarchist.
I used to consider myself anarchist, until I realized that having an opinion under those beliefs is a self-defeating argument.[/quote]
Well in terms of property rights this guy was wronged. He did what he thought necessary to seek justice as he should have. So what? I don’t have a problem with the guy or the dog. I just thought the story was ironic that the focus was on the fact that the dog was named after some murderers and then was murdered himself.
Is that some fucked up karma or what?
[quote]irish20cb wrote:
Lifticvsmaximvs,
You are, without a doubt, one of the largest pieces of shit I’ve ever come across during my time on this site…[/quote]
this is the interwebz…get a grip.
if you don’t like an opinion respond to that opinion instead of making personal assaults. It’s a more effective argument.
so what?
Lixy,
Whether or not Marcus Lutrell is a hero or not isn’t really up for debate. To cite Merriam-Webster, a hero is defined as the following: b: an illustrious warrior
c: a man admired for his achievements and noble qualities
d: one that shows great courage
Lutrell and his fellow SEALs embody each one of those and then some.
Everytime I read the kind of drivel people like you put out there it’s initially upsetting and a little unsettling to me, but I eventually take comfort in the fact that the vast majority of clear thinking individuals in this county and others don’t buy into it. It takes courage to join the military, but it takes a level of dedication, perseverance, selflessness and yes heroism that most human beings are incapable of to live the life of a U.S. Navy SEAL
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
irish20cb wrote:
Lifticvsmaximvs,
You are, without a doubt, one of the largest pieces of shit I’ve ever come across during my time on this site…
this is the interwebz…get a grip.
if you don’t like an opinion respond to that opinion instead of making personal assaults. It’s a more effective argument.
so what?[/quote]
I don’t even know what interwebz means
I wasn’t attempting to mount an effective argument I was attempting to personally assualt someone who made a number of comments that were personally disgusting to me.
Nothing. Just wanted to get it off my chest =)
[quote]irish20cb wrote:
Lixy,
Whether or not Marcus Lutrell is a hero or not isn’t really up for debate. To cite Merriam-Webster, a hero is defined as the following: b: an illustrious warrior
c: a man admired for his achievements and noble qualities
d: one that shows great courage
Lutrell and his fellow SEALs embody each one of those and then some.
Everytime I read the kind of drivel people like you put out there it’s initially upsetting and a little unsettling to me, but I eventually take comfort in the fact that the vast majority of clear thinking individuals in this county and others don’t buy into it. It takes courage to join the military, but it takes a level of dedication, perseverance, selflessness and yes heroism that most human beings are incapable of to live the life of a U.S. Navy SEAL[/quote]
This is silly. By that token, Ben Laden, Attila and Hitler should all be hailed as heroes. Every single member of a military elite group would be considered a hero.
Heroism is about self-sacrifice for some greater good. Lutrell might be a hero. I don’t know. But I’m gonna need more than a story where he tries to kill an Afghan as part of an invading force and has his ass handed to him.
Should you get past the nationalistic stupor, you’d realize that his heroism is very much up for debate.
[quote]irish20cb wrote:
Lifticvsmaximvs,
You are, without a doubt, one of the largest pieces of shit I’ve ever come across during my time on this site…or any other for that matter. Do the world a favor and stop sucking up valuable oxygen[/quote]
I wonder if youve ever talked like that too anyone face too face before;probably not. If you dont have a point or an opinion to contribute why post at all.
It doesnt seem very American to wish death upon those who have a differing point of view.
[quote]lixy wrote:
irish20cb wrote:
Lixy,
Whether or not Marcus Lutrell is a hero or not isn’t really up for debate. To cite Merriam-Webster, a hero is defined as the following: b: an illustrious warrior
c: a man admired for his achievements and noble qualities
d: one that shows great courage
Lutrell and his fellow SEALs embody each one of those and then some.
Everytime I read the kind of drivel people like you put out there it’s initially upsetting and a little unsettling to me, but I eventually take comfort in the fact that the vast majority of clear thinking individuals in this county and others don’t buy into it. It takes courage to join the military, but it takes a level of dedication, perseverance, selflessness and yes heroism that most human beings are incapable of to live the life of a U.S. Navy SEAL
This is silly. By that token, Ben Laden, Attila and Hitler should all be hailed as heroes. Every single member of a military elite group would be considered a hero.
Heroism is about self-sacrifice for some greater good. Lutrell might be a hero. I don’t know. But I’m gonna need more than a story where he tries to kill an Afghan as part of an invading force and has his ass handed to him.
Should you get past the nationalistic stupor, you’d realize that his heroism is very much up for debate.[/quote]
Haha come on…you can’t possibly believe what you just wrote. Attila was a barbarian, Bin Laden is a terrorist thug, and Hitler was anything but noble. The point I was trying to make is that Lutrell and others like him don’t just fit a piece of the definition…they ARE the definition. All of it.
Second…Please, please, PLEASE read the book, or at least an accurate account of what happened to that SEAL team before you write things like “But I’m gonna need more than a story where he tries to kill an Afghan as part of an invading force and has his ass handed to him.” It completely distorts and trivializes what happened on that mountain. If you’d read the story you’d know that they dealt out as much as they got…even while being outnumbered by something like a 10 to 1 ratio.
Speaking of self sacrifice, that’s exactly what team member Michael Murphy did when he exposed himself to what would eventually be fatal enemy fire so he could keep radio communications open with base in the hopes that while he might not make it, at least his teammates would be rescued
[quote]erik206 wrote:
irish20cb wrote:
Lifticvsmaximvs,
You are, without a doubt, one of the largest pieces of shit I’ve ever come across during my time on this site…or any other for that matter. Do the world a favor and stop sucking up valuable oxygen
I wonder if youve ever talked like that too anyone face too face before;probably not. If you dont have a point or an opinion to contribute why post at all.
It doesnt seem very American to wish death upon those who have a differing point of view. [/quote]
Erik,
First of all, I don’t LITERALLY wish for Lift’s death.It was a statement made immediately following my reading of both the dog story (which was news to me) and the debate that ensued afterward…I was a bit fired up because these are issues that I feel very strongly about.
Second… no I’ve never called anyone a piece of shit to their face. I’ve never had occasion too. If the moment ever arises, though, you can rest assured I don’t need to be hiding behind a computer screen to make my feelings known.
I like how they the get the plug for the book out of the way first.
Yes killing someones dog or any pet is wrong, but this all seems way over the top, if this happened to me i would be upset, but there would be no guns, no car chase, no live news interview, i would try and get the license plate then call the cops.
[quote]irish20cb wrote:
Haha come on…you can’t possibly believe what you just wrote. Attila was a barbarian, Bin Laden is a terrorist thug, and Hitler was anything but noble.[/quote]
Says you. There are plenty of people singing their praises and calling them heroes. Just like you folks are doing for this guy.
You made it clear by using the term “embody”. But I strongly disagree with that. A hero, I repeat, is somebody who self-sacrifices him/herself for a greater good. This guy is paid to kill people and is under a chain of command.
I didn’t read the book, but I’m quite familiar with the events surrounding Operation Red Wing. And I trivialized it to summarize.
So SEALs can fight. And they can efficiently kill people. And they got the best gear in the world. And they watch each other’s backs out of necessity. That doesn’t necessarily make them heroes.
You have a cult of the flag and of the military in your country. It is nothing but nationalism that make you consider every one soldier a hero. It’s the same in Russia. I have a Russian colleague who’s brother fought in Afghanistan. She gets a twinkle in her eyes every time she tells me about his heroic achievements, and how many people he shot, and the medals, and how proud the parents are, etc. And it’s the same in many other places. This is quite dangerous, and I hope for the sake of your great country (and, by extension, the rest of the world) that you get past this fever. Else, you’re not that far away from fascism.
I got completely off topic, and it seems that we are not going to agree on the qualities that make a hero. Let’s leave it at that. I really don’t want to insult Luttrell. For all I know, he’s a well intentioned good guy.
P.S: You may not know this, but the Afghan those SEALs were after was fighting Al-Qaeda, Mohammed Omar and all those you and I would call “terrorists”. He turned against the US when they invaded his country. Assassinating (that’s what it would have been had they succeeded) such a person, can hardly be considered a heroic act.
Honestly I don’t care if you’re in the Army, Navy or Marines any branch. Signing up willingly and willing to put your life and time in to help better our country and other countries makes you a hero in just that aspect.
My cousin was in the Marines and I think he’s a hero. Why? Cause he has become one through habit of being the best possible person he can be through the military and if any situation arose where he had to defend his family or country he would with out hesitation.
I mean what “defines” a hero for some of you? Who seem to set the hero level so high. Does he have to pull out some Hollywood Rambo shit? Does he have to have a cape? Pull a Forrest Gump?
I salute every one of those who joined the military with pride. Cause even though a lot don’t give them recognition for being a hero by just doing that. I’d shake hands with everyone one of them if I could saying “Thanks for being our country’s heroes”
If only Morality was as black and white as some believe it to be…
If only Morality was as black and white as some believe it to be…
[quote]That One Guy wrote:
If only Morality was as black and white as some believe it to be…[/quote]
But it can be.
Ethical reciprocity. None should take any more or less than they give.
Those that do are easy to deal with.
[quote]lixy wrote:
irish20cb wrote:
Haha come on…you can’t possibly believe what you just wrote. Attila was a barbarian, Bin Laden is a terrorist thug, and Hitler was anything but noble.
Says you. There are plenty of people singing their praises and calling them heroes. Just like you folks are doing for this guy.
The point I was trying to make is that Lutrell and others like him don’t just fit a piece of the definition…they ARE the definition. All of it.
You made it clear by using the term “embody”. But I strongly disagree with that. A hero, I repeat, is somebody who self-sacrifices him/herself for a greater good. This guy is paid to kill people and is under a chain of command.
Second…Please, please, PLEASE read the book, or at least an accurate account of what happened to that SEAL team before you write things like “But I’m gonna need more than a story where he tries to kill an Afghan as part of an invading force and has his ass handed to him.” It completely distorts and trivializes what happened on that mountain. If you’d read the story you’d know that they dealt out as much as they got…even while being outnumbered by something like a 10 to 1 ratio. Speaking of self sacrifice, that’s exactly what team member Michael Murphy did when he exposed himself to what would eventually be fatal enemy fire so he could keep radio communications open with base in the hopes that while he might not make it, at least his teammates would be rescued
I didn’t read the book, but I’m quite familiar with the events surrounding Operation Red Wing. And I trivialized it to summarize.
So SEALs can fight. And they can efficiently kill people. And they got the best gear in the world. And they watch each other’s backs out of necessity. That doesn’t necessarily make them heroes.
You have a cult of the flag and of the military in your country. It is nothing but nationalism that make you consider every one soldier a hero. It’s the same in Russia. I have a Russian colleague who’s brother fought in Afghanistan. She gets a twinkle in her eyes every time she tells me about his heroic achievements, and how many people he shot, and the medals, and how proud the parents are, etc. And it’s the same in many other places. This is quite dangerous, and I hope for the sake of your great country (and, by extension, the rest of the world) that you get past this fever. Else, you’re not that far away from fascism.
I got completely off topic, and it seems that we are not going to agree on the qualities that make a hero. Let’s leave it at that. I really don’t want to insult Luttrell. For all I know, he’s a well intentioned good guy.
P.S: You may not know this, but the Afghan those SEALs were after was fighting Al-Qaeda, Mohammed Omar and all those you and I would call “terrorists”. He turned against the US when they invaded his country. Assassinating (that’s what it would have been had they succeeded) such a person, can hardly be considered a heroic act.[/quote]
YES…there are plenty of people singing praises for Bin Laden who was the head of an organized attack that took out over 3k INNOCENT Americans. And Yes There are plenty of people still to this day singing praises for Hitler who single handedly started a world war, and just so happen killed( what was it like 7million INNOCENT Jews, gypsies, and other minorities)
Well Played…very well played.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
If only Morality was as black and white as some believe it to be…
But it can be.
Ethical reciprocity. None should take any more or less than they give.
Those that do are easy to deal with.[/quote]
“A sadist is just a masochist who follows the golden rule.” That ring a bell??
I would just like to say on behalf of myself, my family, and All of my friends. To any Military personel who read this site, Active, Inactive, or Retired. Thank You for your service. Thank you for what you have done, and are going to do. I truthfully don’t have a single problem with any of it, as long as THIS countries best interest are at hand.
Hey every one guess what? THIS IS NOT THE FUCKING PWI THREAD!! TAKE THIS SHIT THERE!!
This isn’t about politics or if some guy was right or wrong in what he did as a soldier. Its about some puck ass kids that murdered a mans dog and then shit them selves when he went after their ass.
Anyone who is any type of person would care in some way. You may not cry for the guy but you should at least feel bad for him or at the very least the dog.