Pullover - Chest or Back?

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[quote]shestak wrote:

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

[quote]shestak wrote:

[quote]ty_ty13 wrote:
coach seems to think you’d be better off picking a different exercise… and i agree… too many better exercises for chest or back.[/quote]

i agree, but a good workout routine supposed to be diversed as i see it.most of the exercises should be compound and a few isolate,and the only lats exercise which isolate is the pullover,so i think you should use a few sets of pullovers.all the others lats exerices like pullups and rowing are compounds
so the problem is that pullover might activate the pectoralis more then the lattissimus dorsi[/quote]

  1. An exercise can’t be an “isolation exercise” if it works more than one major muscle group… the pullover works the lats, chest and triceps… it is therefore a compound lift

  2. You don’t NEED isolation exercise for everything in a program[/quote]

1)An isolated exercise is an exerice that you move only 1 joint like in the pullover-only the shoulder joint moves(you have shoulder extension)
even in biceps curl work more then 1 muscle but it is still isolated

2)Ofcourse you dont need,but as i see it the best routine is a combination of compound and isolate exercises(more compund)
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  1. no, you are using two different classification systems… multi-joint/single joint is the classification you should be using… not “isolation”… isolation refers to isolating one main muscle group. It’s true that you cannot isolate ONE muscle via an exercise, but in the scope of training “isolation” refers to an exercise targeting only one main muscle group that does the vast majority of the work. If you are referring to single-joint vs. compound/multi-joint, then you are right but these are semantics and really arguing that point is dumb.

  2. That;s your belief, NOT mine. So why ask ME (and the people who visit my forum and thus share similar views) how to use pullovers since it doesn’t fit in 95% of my work. It’s like asking a Jewish person how to arrange your life to be a better muslum.

Anyway, my answer is that the pullover rarely has a place in my training except for some very specific purposes and as such a minor piece of the puzzle it’s not worth this discussion. I still gave you an answer when I said that if you want to isolate the lats with the pullover, only perform the first half of the concentric (lifting) portion. That’s WAY more than I should have spoken on that insignificant subject.