Twins.
[quote]orion wrote:
Twins.[/quote]
Can’t argue with that.
Also, there are all-asian sororities. Omega Tau Zeta is one of them.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
We are essentially saying the traits most desirable in females are the opposite of the ones you possess.
You respond by telling us how much you pity these women.
Clear?[/quote]
Wait that is your desires, not all men.
Personally, DN, lifts, plays video games, loves to fuck and is independent financially. To me this is desirable, which is why I married my wife (except the video games) everything else is my wife which I am very happily married to. [/quote]
Out of curiosity, was it you who said you married a fiery Latina that has in the past thrown shit at you or displayed some sort of abusive tendency?
Or was that someone else?
Oh and just to let you know, male interest in marriage is on the decline in the US. Couldn’t have anything to do with anything we’ve talked about, could it?[/quote]
Yes I married to a fiery Latina and she is 4’11" so lol at abusive tendencies. She has a masters in nursing and brings home as much money as I do. She put herself through school was an only child to a poor mother.
As far as aggression you know how many Boxer’s fractures I have taken care of due to men punching walls etc.
Of course male interest in marriage is on the decline, so is the maturity level of “men”. I have hired and interviewed many young men in the 20 year old range, a large portion of them have the mentality of a 16 year old. [/quote]
You have some weird non-sequiturs in here … boxer fractures?
Even if you like those qualities in women, you’re in the minority as evidenced by this thread and others. At any rate your preferences are the equivalent to a chubby chaser telling the average guy “thin girls are just what you desire not all men.” Men are uninterested in being dominated by their partner or be in constant competition with them.
I also find your second point hilarious especially since we’ve had several threads discussing the changing of gender roles in society and how it’s impacted gender relations and all you got from that was “men are immature.”
If you want men to “grow up” stop demonizing typical masculine behaviour.
If you want men to “grow up” tell women to stop engaging in hookup culture. Who wants to marry a girl that has had 10 partners before them including men she’s only met a few hours prior? Is that the type of person I’m supposed to devote my love, care, financial earnings and protection to?
TL;DR: why buy the cow when you get the milk for free especially when everyone in town has tasted this milk?
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
American women arent mad or envious about some of the men who chose the Japanese women over them. Instead they sigh in relief! They understand what they consider trash is the other women’s treasure. Simples 
[/quote]
To Cortes’ point, and based on my experience living in Japan, there are indeed a large number of Western women who are genuinely resentful of all the gaijin attention Japanese women get.
To DarkNinja’s point, there are a large number of complete losers in Japan who wind up with attractive Japanese wives. Might some Western woman be indifferent or even slightly pleased with some “trash” being taken off the market? It’s possible.
I have FAR more real-world examples to the first point than to the second. One very notable one was a British girl I worked with. She had never travelled overseas before, and was attractive, intelligent, and initially a pretty cool chick to hang out with. In any office situation in the UK, she would reasonably be able to expect to be asked out by some of her male coworkers.
After a couple months there, her resentment became more and more palpable. She would remark at all the Western loser guys she’d see with beautiful Japanese women. She was indignant that the scales of attractiveness and desirability as she knew them in the UK were completely shifted in Japan.
Nobody wanted to fuck her. The Japanese men wouldn’t look at her twice, and Western guys wanted nothing to do with her, mostly because she became such a miserable bitch. She grew more and more bitter, and started packing on the pounds.
All this culminated at our staff Christmas party. I had been dating a Japanese girl for about a year at that time. She made some snide comments to me about “dating Hello Kitty”, and asked about our life back in Canada should we have decided to get married - “How do you feel about working all day, while all she does is look cute for you at home?”. I was pretty hammered at this particular function, and I said something witty like “Hey, speaking of ‘working’, maybe you oughtta stop working the spoon in the damned Haagen Dazs!”.
My comment was not well-received. She quit the next week.
[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
American women arent mad or envious about some of the men who chose the Japanese women over them. Instead they sigh in relief! They understand what they consider trash is the other women’s treasure. Simples
[/quote]
To Cortes’ point, and based on my experience living in Japan, there are indeed a large number of Western women who are genuinely resentful of all the gaijin attention Japanese women get.
To DarkNinja’s point, there are a large number of complete losers in Japan who wind up with attractive Japanese wives. Might some Western woman be indifferent or even slightly pleased with some “trash” being taken off the market? It’s possible.
I have FAR more real-world examples to the first point than to the second. One very notable one was a British girl I worked with. She had never travelled overseas before, and was attractive, intelligent, and initially a pretty cool chick to hang out with. In any office situation in the UK, she would reasonably be able to expect to be asked out by some of her male coworkers.
After a couple months there, her resentment became more and more palpable. She would remark at all the Western loser guys she’d see with beautiful Japanese women. She was indignant that the scales of attractiveness and desirability as she knew them in the UK were completely shifted in Japan.
Nobody wanted to fuck her. The Japanese men wouldn’t look at her twice, and Western guys wanted nothing to do with her, mostly because she became such a miserable bitch. She grew more and more bitter, and started packing on the pounds.
All this culminated at our staff Christmas party. I had been dating a Japanese girl for about a year at that time. She made some snide comments to me about “dating Hello Kitty”, and asked about our life back in Canada should we have decided to get married - “How do you feel about working all day, while all she does is look cute for you at home?”. I was pretty hammered at this particular function, and I said something witty like “Hey, speaking of ‘working’, maybe you oughtta stop working the spoon in the damned Haagen Dazs!”.
My comment was not well-received. She quit the next week.
[/quote]
Holy Crap!
This mirrors exactly what I read here of this woman’s experience in Russia:
http://exiledonline.com/old-exile/vault/feature/feature9.html
"Six months later-after 183 days of disappointment and bitterness-she has become a different creature. The eXpat boyfriend has long since abandoned her for the polygamous pursuit of dyevushki flesh. After a spell of loneliness, she’s reduced to dating guys she never would even talk to back home, and sleeping around far more easily, and with far lower standards, than in her worst nightmares. And that’s only if she’s lucky.
There is a story going around that I ran into more than once while researching this piece. Whether it is apochryphal or not is something I can’t tell you. But it goes something like this: an eXpat woman-a USAID employee, to be exact-was said to be complaining to a bar manager at one of Moscow’s eXpat hangouts.
“I want you to understand something,” she says. “I’m not a lesbian. But I’ve been reduced to licking pussy.”
“The basic problem is that eXpat men don’t want eXpat women, and Russian men don’t want eXpat women,” said notorious ex-Moscow Times columnist Owen Matthews, best known for his nightlife column “Batwing Soup.” “That doesn’t leave eXpat women with much room to maneuver.”
Everyone here knows that there is far more cross-fertilization between eXpat men and Russian women than between eXpat women and Russian men. Evidence of this comes not only from observing bars and parties, but also in the form of statistics."
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Twins.[/quote]
Can’t argue with that.
Also, there are all-asian sororities. Omega Tau Zeta is one of them.[/quote]
I don’t get the fetish with twins that everyone has. At some point in the threesome I’d go limp, wondering why two sisters are ok banging each other.
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Lol @ hatred for Asian women.
What I hear the most from American women is that they pity the Asian wives. They are actually pleased the Japanese women took all the men American women wouldn’t even dare to touch with a pole, ie: domineering, insecure, controling and eager for constant reassurance. Japanese women are perfect for whoever needs a submissive partner. American women say thank you and good riddance. Lol.[/quote]
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Oh shit, because your statement about the hatred toward Japanese women must be absolutely true, no one should contest it and whoever does, must be a liar or made it up, and never had witnessed Japanese Westerners relationships. Fucking awesome. So Emily Q who agreed with me must be a liar too?
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I just need to clarify that I did not agree that American women pity Japanese women. I stated that just as I have never heard envy expressed, neither have I come across pity.
To pity someone who has found exactly what they need to be content is silly. Why would I care if someone has a relationship I don’t understand or agree with? (Except yours, orion. I feel yours need to change so you can be happier. You’re welcome!)
Your relationships would fall outside my comfort zone, too, DN, but if they work for you, I think it’s great.
I completely understand the desire for traditional gender roles and tip in that direction myself. I think the romance novel market, which comprises something like 60% of all books sold in America, offers proof that many, many women feel the same way. However, not all women thrive in that environment. And I suppose, given that they were needed for change to occur, neither did all men.
I only want men who want someone exactly like me, so if they are drawn to passive Asian women they are not someone who would make me happy, nor I them. I need someone who likes caucasian women who fall into maybe the 70th percentile on the traditional gender role scale. Happily, they’re out there.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
We are essentially saying the traits most desirable in females are the opposite of the ones you possess.
You respond by telling us how much you pity these women.
Clear?[/quote]
Wait that is your desires, not all men.
Personally, DN, lifts, plays video games, loves to fuck and is independent financially. To me this is desirable, which is why I married my wife (except the video games) everything else is my wife which I am very happily married to. [/quote]
Out of curiosity, was it you who said you married a fiery Latina that has in the past thrown shit at you or displayed some sort of abusive tendency?
Or was that someone else?
Oh and just to let you know, male interest in marriage is on the decline in the US. Couldn’t have anything to do with anything we’ve talked about, could it?[/quote]
Yes I married to a fiery Latina and she is 4’11" so lol at abusive tendencies. She has a masters in nursing and brings home as much money as I do. She put herself through school was an only child to a poor mother.
As far as aggression you know how many Boxer’s fractures I have taken care of due to men punching walls etc.
Of course male interest in marriage is on the decline, so is the maturity level of “men”. I have hired and interviewed many young men in the 20 year old range, a large portion of them have the mentality of a 16 year old. [/quote]
You have some weird non-sequiturs in here … boxer fractures?
Even if you like those qualities in women, you’re in the minority as evidenced by this thread and others. At any rate your preferences are the equivalent to a chubby chaser telling the average guy “thin girls are just what you desire not all men.” Men are uninterested in being dominated by their partner or be in constant competition with them.
I also find your second point hilarious especially since we’ve had several threads discussing the changing of gender roles in society and how it’s impacted gender relations and all you got from that was “men are immature.”
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I don’t read anything about Derek’s relationship that makes me think “undesirable to the average man.” Fiery is not dominance, nor is it a negative quality unless for someone who needs complete passivity and submissiveness in a mate to be happy.
I think one of the things my guy likes best about me is that I’m dynamic. Both aggressive and submissive, both a “good girl” and not. He’s expressed many times that he loves the differences between the outer layers of my personality and the inner.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
We are essentially saying the traits most desirable in females are the opposite of the ones you possess.
You respond by telling us how much you pity these women.
Clear?[/quote]
Wait that is your desires, not all men.
Personally, DN, lifts, plays video games, loves to fuck and is independent financially. To me this is desirable, which is why I married my wife (except the video games) everything else is my wife which I am very happily married to. [/quote]
Out of curiosity, was it you who said you married a fiery Latina that has in the past thrown shit at you or displayed some sort of abusive tendency?
Or was that someone else?
Oh and just to let you know, male interest in marriage is on the decline in the US. Couldn’t have anything to do with anything we’ve talked about, could it?[/quote]
Yes I married to a fiery Latina and she is 4’11" so lol at abusive tendencies. She has a masters in nursing and brings home as much money as I do. She put herself through school was an only child to a poor mother.
As far as aggression you know how many Boxer’s fractures I have taken care of due to men punching walls etc.
Of course male interest in marriage is on the decline, so is the maturity level of “men”. I have hired and interviewed many young men in the 20 year old range, a large portion of them have the mentality of a 16 year old. [/quote]
You have some weird non-sequiturs in here … boxer fractures?
Even if you like those qualities in women, you’re in the minority as evidenced by this thread and others. At any rate your preferences are the equivalent to a chubby chaser telling the average guy “thin girls are just what you desire not all men.” Men are uninterested in being dominated by their partner or be in constant competition with them.
I also find your second point hilarious especially since we’ve had several threads discussing the changing of gender roles in society and how it’s impacted gender relations and all you got from that was “men are immature.”
[/quote]
I don’t read anything about Derek’s relationship that makes me think “undesirable to the average man.” Fiery is not dominance, nor is it a negative quality unless for someone who needs complete passivity and submissiveness in a mate to be happy.
I think one of the things my guy likes best about me is that I’m dynamic. Both aggressive and submissive, both a “good girl” and not. He’s expressed many times that he loves the differences between the outer layers of my personality and the inner. [/quote]
Sure, he didnt say she was ex
Sure Em, he didnt explicitly say she was dominant but if you read between the lines it’s there.
As soon as I mentioned dominance angle he offered up her rough past as an excuse for her behavior. As if she picked up these traits because she had to. I’m also fairly certain he’s mentioned that she’s thrown shit at him in the past.
Setting this aside for a second, ask young men what it’s like nowadays dating career women. Everything is a competition, I believe Cortes mentioned this as well.
If I get married it will be to someone who compliments my personality, not someone who competes with it.
[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
American women arent mad or envious about some of the men who chose the Japanese women over them. Instead they sigh in relief! They understand what they consider trash is the other women’s treasure. Simples
[/quote]
To Cortes’ point, and based on my experience living in Japan, there are indeed a large number of Western women who are genuinely resentful of all the gaijin attention Japanese women get.
To DarkNinja’s point, there are a large number of complete losers in Japan who wind up with attractive Japanese wives. Might some Western woman be indifferent or even slightly pleased with some “trash” being taken off the market? It’s possible.
I have FAR more real-world examples to the first point than to the second. One very notable one was a British girl I worked with. She had never travelled overseas before, and was attractive, intelligent, and initially a pretty cool chick to hang out with. In any office situation in the UK, she would reasonably be able to expect to be asked out by some of her male coworkers.
After a couple months there, her resentment became more and more palpable. She would remark at all the Western loser guys she’d see with beautiful Japanese women. She was indignant that the scales of attractiveness and desirability as she knew them in the UK were completely shifted in Japan.
Nobody wanted to fuck her. The Japanese men wouldn’t look at her twice, and Western guys wanted nothing to do with her, mostly because she became such a miserable bitch. She grew more and more bitter, and started packing on the pounds.
All this culminated at our staff Christmas party. I had been dating a Japanese girl for about a year at that time. She made some snide comments to me about “dating Hello Kitty”, and asked about our life back in Canada should we have decided to get married - “How do you feel about working all day, while all she does is look cute for you at home?”. I was pretty hammered at this particular function, and I said something witty like “Hey, speaking of ‘working’, maybe you oughtta stop working the spoon in the damned Haagen Dazs!”.
My comment was not well-received. She quit the next week.
[/quote]
Sad but hilarious. She totally created what she feared.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Ouch. I must have struck a nerve.
Did I get you totally wrong?
But you’ve got me and my pathetic wife all figured out.
Don’t you?
[/quote]
Struck a nerve? Nope. Not at all. Just amused, thinking you know me based on stuff I post here.
The last thing I want is pussywhipped lover. I love men and I specially like my men strong, confident and who can take my shit without feeling I’m looking to emasculate him. What I hate is a cry-baby, or a cunt who thinks women are inferior to him, or a bitter asshole who thinks all women are the devil and blames everything on women while he put himself in that situation in the first place and couldn’t man up to get out.
I’m actually the kind of woman who couldn’t give a shit if my man watches porn, or goes out with his mates. I don’t nag, I don’t take control of his life. I do my own thing and I have my own life. People who know me will tell you I’m one motherfucking coldest bitch ever when it comes to emotions. The only thing I’d care about would be him to satisfy me sexually. And I’ll do the same to him in massive amount. That’s it. I don’t dominate, I don’t control (only in bed and in my basement). And if a man feels he can manipulate me or control me, then he may as well get himself a Japanese girl or a naive 17 years old.
As for you and your wife, do I give a fuck what kind of relationship the both of you have? Nope.
All I said was based on what I heard from American women and relationships I have seen. Did I say, hey Cortes that’s exactly how your relationship is? Nah. But the fact that you jumped on traits that I mentioned regarding the men in the relationships shows you actually felt I was talking about you.
If you know you are not a controlling, domineering man or, an insecure man who is always looking for constant reassurance from his wife that he’s the main provider, the MAN of the house, then fucking awesome. I’m glad to know you are nothing of the kind of men I was talking about. Fantastic.
[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:
To Cortes’ point, and based on my experience living in Japan, there are indeed a large number of Western women who are genuinely resentful of all the gaijin attention Japanese women get.
To DarkNinja’s point, there are a large number of complete losers in Japan who wind up with attractive Japanese wives. Might some Western woman be indifferent or even slightly pleased with some “trash” being taken off the market? It’s possible.
I have FAR more real-world examples to the first point than to the second. One very notable one was a British girl I worked with. She had never travelled overseas before, and was attractive, intelligent, and initially a pretty cool chick to hang out with. In any office situation in the UK, she would reasonably be able to expect to be asked out by some of her male coworkers.
After a couple months there, her resentment became more and more palpable. She would remark at all the Western loser guys she’d see with beautiful Japanese women. She was indignant that the scales of attractiveness and desirability as she knew them in the UK were completely shifted in Japan.
Nobody wanted to fuck her. The Japanese men wouldn’t look at her twice, and Western guys wanted nothing to do with her, mostly because she became such a miserable bitch. She grew more and more bitter, and started packing on the pounds.
All this culminated at our staff Christmas party. I had been dating a Japanese girl for about a year at that time. She made some snide comments to me about “dating Hello Kitty”, and asked about our life back in Canada should we have decided to get married - “How do you feel about working all day, while all she does is look cute for you at home?”. I was pretty hammered at this particular function, and I said something witty like “Hey, speaking of ‘working’, maybe you oughtta stop working the spoon in the damned Haagen Dazs!”.
My comment was not well-received. She quit the next week.
[/quote]
I have 2 Japanese acquaintances, one married to an German man, the other was in a relationship with a British guy but they are separated now, thankfully. One of my girlfriends live in Tokyo and her friends lust after Western men. I’ve seen how some of those guys treat them and it ain’t pretty.
A guy I used to train with a couple of years ago was married to a Japanese girl and he was a fierce anti-feminist bastard. I could tell the woman wasn’t happy but he provided for her, she had a good home, a car, money, she looked after their kids, and she had her British Passport. That was good enough for her to ignore her husband’s mental abuse.
Can some American or British ladies possibly detest Japanese girls in these situation? The men, maybe, but not the women.
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Just amused, thinking you know me based on stuff I post here.
[/quote]
That was kind of my point.
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Just amused, thinking you know me based on stuff I post here. [/quote]
So what you’re saying is, in real life you’re not a man hating racist ?
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:
To Cortes’ point, and based on my experience living in Japan, there are indeed a large number of Western women who are genuinely resentful of all the gaijin attention Japanese women get.
To DarkNinja’s point, there are a large number of complete losers in Japan who wind up with attractive Japanese wives. Might some Western woman be indifferent or even slightly pleased with some “trash” being taken off the market? It’s possible.
I have FAR more real-world examples to the first point than to the second. One very notable one was a British girl I worked with. She had never travelled overseas before, and was attractive, intelligent, and initially a pretty cool chick to hang out with. In any office situation in the UK, she would reasonably be able to expect to be asked out by some of her male coworkers.
After a couple months there, her resentment became more and more palpable. She would remark at all the Western loser guys she’d see with beautiful Japanese women. She was indignant that the scales of attractiveness and desirability as she knew them in the UK were completely shifted in Japan.
Nobody wanted to fuck her. The Japanese men wouldn’t look at her twice, and Western guys wanted nothing to do with her, mostly because she became such a miserable bitch. She grew more and more bitter, and started packing on the pounds.
All this culminated at our staff Christmas party. I had been dating a Japanese girl for about a year at that time. She made some snide comments to me about “dating Hello Kitty”, and asked about our life back in Canada should we have decided to get married - “How do you feel about working all day, while all she does is look cute for you at home?”. I was pretty hammered at this particular function, and I said something witty like “Hey, speaking of ‘working’, maybe you oughtta stop working the spoon in the damned Haagen Dazs!”.
My comment was not well-received. She quit the next week.
[/quote]
I have 2 Japanese acquaintances, one married to an German man, the other was in a relationship with a British guy but they are separated now, thankfully. One of my girlfriends live in Tokyo and her friends lust after Western men. I’ve seen how some of those guys treat them and it ain’t pretty.
A guy I used to train with a couple of years ago was married to a Japanese girl and he was a fierce anti-feminist bastard. I could tell the woman wasn’t happy but he provided for her, she had a good home, a car, money, she looked after their kids, and she had her British Passport. That was good enough for her to ignore her husband’s mental abuse.
Can some American or British ladies possibly detest Japanese girls in these situation? The men, maybe, but not the women.
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The experiences of about a thousand Japanese women I am aware of do not reflect what you are saying.
By and large, the situation you describe is exactly what Japanese females are moving away from when they choose Western men. And trust me, their families are usually NOT happy about this decision, so it’s not as if it’s something they are exactly forced into. There’s actually still an arranged marriage system here, that is typically only employed when a female has passed her “marriageable” age. There is enormous pressure for Japanese of both sexes and all classes to conform. ENORMOUS pressure. And marrying Western men is about as non-conformist an act as can be performed here. Typically, the reason Japanese women marry Western men is because the men are warm, caring, chivalrous in the old Western sense of the word, help out around the house and willingly take part in family life, are fun to hang out with, listen and act upon what they hear, and in general are just more “there.” I can tell you from DIRECT experience, and anyone who has spent more than three months in Japan will back me up on this, Japanese men tend to be emotionally withdrawn from their families. They may not be domineering, but they are sure as hell not supportive. My business is teaching kids, and when signing up a new student, in 90% of the cases, that’s not an inflated figure, I will deal with the mother and never meet the father before that family makes the decision to invest thousands of dollars and the most important learning period of their children’s lives with us.
And I may be biased, but since I have direct, firsthand experience with literally hundreds more Western Male/Japanese Female relationships than you do, literally thousands when we start to consider the typical Japanese families, I think I’ll go ahead and hang on to my crazy notions and not be swayed to the other side just yet.
Finally, anybody who thinks I “dominate” my wife has not met her. There is a familial hierarchy there, for sure, but if you want to run a successful business serving hundreds of students and affecting thousands of members of your community and year after year be recognized as the top school in field (my student won first place in the All Japan National Speech Contest here last year, I am proud to say), you don’t get to that point by tyrannizing your business partner.
At every level, this conversation is about giving people what they want. What they actually want. Not what they say they do.
*edited: typos
[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Just amused, thinking you know me based on stuff I post here. [/quote]
So what you’re saying is, in real life you’re not a man hating racist ? [/quote]
Lol!
I had a colleague on beach patrol this summer whose mother was American and father Japanese.
He talked feeling closer to his mother and his father being a quiet man, good provider, caring but absolutely emotionally resistant to change and emotionally vacant.
man i love this thread, both for the lol’s, and also for the fact that the majority of the posters actually have something intelligent (or at least not totally ignorant) to say.
anyways, on topic. I have a friend who is teaching english in china, over here he could basically be considered what most women think of as the proverbial ‘good catch’ except for 1 thing, he’s quite short (5’5 i believe). So he had trouble scoring dates, and the women that were into him would try to ‘pussy whip’ him into shape, and since he didn’t have a lot of options, it would work to a certain degree - until he got fed up and ditched them. Anyways, now that he’s in china and has to ‘fight the girls off with a stick’ proverbially - he’s become a bit of a player (not too much), but the really funny thing is when he comes home, the increased confidence and Alpha Male tendencies make him all the more attractive to the ladies over here.
I’m not actually trying to say anything with that story, other than some observations i have noted.