In this video Glenn Pendlay who is a very experienced olympic weightlifting coach goes through the proper technique for performing a clean
Then in this video klokov seems to be extending his hips differently
So which one is the correct technique? Is klokov only doing it differently as an assistance exercise?
You’re comparing a video where Glenn is discussing how to do a full clean, with a video where Klokov is doing high hang snatch pulls without bending his knees. Apples and oranges.
For some reason the Cal Strength guys, Jon North especially, feel that unless you BANG the bar into your hips, you’re not doing it right.
I’ve been taught and coached to pull straight along the body. My coach says that the problem with the “swing” created by that hip bang is you lose control of the bar and will easily lose a lift behind.
I also have trouble seeing how you can extend completely and finish your pull with that technique, but then again you probably don’t have to.
When you look at the Russians and Iranians, as far as I can tell, none of them bang it.
Neither does this guy: 150kg Power Snatch Full Snatch at U77kg - YouTube
If you have access to coaching do whatever your coach says. If you don’t feel he or she’s competent then go find someone else. I wouldn’t worry too much about what others do, you can’t really ask them questions or get help from them, so trying to pick up their technique would just confuse me I think.
Fucked up.
[quote]JT91 wrote:
For some reason the Cal Strength guys, Jon North especially, feel that unless you BANG the bar into your hips, you’re not doing it right.
I’ve been taught and coached to pull straight along the body. My coach says that the problem with the “swing” created by that hip bang is you lose control of the bar and will easily lose a lift behind.
I also have trouble seeing how you can extend completely and finish your pull with that technique, but then again you probably don’t have to.
When you look at the Russians and Iranians, as far as I can tell, none of them bang it.
Neither does this guy: 150kg Power Snatch Full Snatch at U77kg - YouTube
If you have access to coaching do whatever your coach says. If you don’t feel he or she’s competent then go find someone else. I wouldn’t worry too much about what others do, you can’t really ask them questions or get help from them, so trying to pick up their technique would just confuse me I think.[/quote]
I’ll second the “do whatever your coach says” sentiment.
As far as banging the bar, I’d point out that I believe Glenn does periodically utilize the no hook/no foot movement snatch, which I would think would help eliminate some of that bang. I know personally I feel smoother, faster, and more powerful when I maintain good thigh contact with the bar and really finish the pull without the bang.
But I’ll also say that the “correct technique” is whatever allows you to lift the most over the course of your lifting career, and that could differ from common rhetoric based on your leverages and whatnot.
EDIT: Forgot to mention that it is a real joy watching Lu Xiaojun lift. Probably one of my favourite lifters to watch, up there with Ilyin, Klokov, and Aramnau (when he’s in top form).
I don’t know enough about Glenn or his methods to comment on that, but I know that Jon North in particular endorses this banging (Hit and Catch-Drill video).
I agree with you on the pull. When you finish it and really make sure it’s smooth lifts tend to feel easier, faster and generally more awesome.
Of course you’re right regarding correct technique, though I suppose that, for most of us, depends on our coaches and their definition of that.
Definitely agree with you, some lifters are great to watch. I like Tsarukaeva, Ilin and Xiaojun.
Speaking of chinese what does it mean when people say they dont finish their second pull
You’re not really “banging” the bar. You sweep the bar into your hips. Some coaches teach vertical bar path, some teach the S curve. Glenn teaches the S curve. When you watch the (chinese) weightlifter above, he is doing the S curve. If you watch his arms and hips, he sweeps the bar in.
Here’s a video I took of Hysen Pulaku during a warmup before a meet. He “bangs” the bar against his hip but that bar is not swinging. He didn’t lose it behind him. And you won’t, if you do it right.
You can bang or make contact and still keep the bar close to you.
If you bang/ make contact and the bar comes away from you too much it is bad and you will miss the lift.
Most lifters as in 99% will pull the are in a compressed S curve. You sweep the bar, it’ll make contact at the hips for the Sn and upper thighs for the Cn.
I coach my lifters to pull by sweeping it in then smashing the bar BUT NOT LETTING IT COME AWAY FROM THE BODY, and ram themselves under the bar. Job done.
Koing
How do you keep the bar close to the body once you have made hip contact? I understand the concept of sweeping the bar into the thighs and hip along the 2nd pull, but once the bar is in the air it swings away from me and I often end up jumping forward to get under the bar. Any idea how I can help correct this?
[quote]clean and squat wrote:
Speaking of chinese what does it mean when people say they dont finish their second pull[/quote]
It means they don’t get full hip extension in the second pull
[quote]DaTruth1 wrote:
How do you keep the bar close to the body once you have made hip contact? I understand the concept of sweeping the bar into the thighs and hip along the 2nd pull, but once the bar is in the air it swings away from me and I often end up jumping forward to get under the bar. Any idea how I can help correct this?[/quote]
Hard to tell without seeing you lift. It could be that finishing with too much of a forward hit and not vertical enough. It could mean you’re not finishing your pull, which will also cause the bar to go too far forward.