'Promise Keepers' at Strip Club

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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"As further evidence of the clubsâ?? nonpartisan appeal, Don Kleinhans, the owner of the 2001 Odyssey, said when the Promise Keepers, a male evangelical group, came to town years ago, business was rollicking.

â??We had phenomenal numbers all weekend, and they walked in wearing badges and name tags and werenâ??t shy at all,â?? he said.

James Davis, a spokesman for the Republican National Convention, declined to discuss Tampaâ??s prominent strip clubs.

â??Weâ??re expecting to have a great convention,â?? Mr. Davis said. â??Weâ??re focused completely on having a great convention.â??

Christians…LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

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I wonder if the Promise keepers were good tippers ? :slight_smile:

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You’re making my case for me BTW LOL!!
Try this: http://gregnmary.gotdns.com/audio/catc_kiana.mp3 This is our pastor’s radio show on WLQV Detroit. This is a women who owned and operated the largest, most prominent and successful gay nightclub in the metro Detroit area. Two years ago she gave up her livelihood, her people, her prestige AND was delivered from her lesbianism when the risen Christ through whom all the vast cosmos were made arrested her dead rotting soul unto himself. This is a fascinating testimony. Even to God haters like you. GAYS AT CHURCH LOLOLOLOLOL!!! All praise, glory and honor be unto His magnificent name!!!

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Haven’t logged in for a while but you are sounding even more unhinged than you used to Trib.

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Pray for me.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Pray for me.[/quote]

No need for that. You seem to have a direct line to the big guy. He’s busy sending you souls to save over the internet on bodybuilding website:

“The ones who try the hardest just may be the ones God wants me to hear the most.”

If only those children in African villages had internet access… and an interest in bodybuilding instead of spending their time starving to death they might’ve stood a chance!

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Oh shit. I posted the above comments before I had seen the Romans 2 thread. You really are a different person to the one I remember. I’ll make no further post on the topic.

Take care.

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[quote]GCF wrote:<<< No need for that. You seem to have a direct line to the big guy. >>>[/quote]I have no more direct line than any other Christian. I’ll tel you what I tell everybody because it’s true. What I believe, even in the details, was the prevailing view of this nation at her founding. [quote]GCF wrote:<<< He’s busy sending you souls to save over the internet on bodybuilding website: >>>[/quote] He told His church to go find THEM. I do. [quote]GCF wrote:<<< “The ones who try the hardest just may be the ones God wants me to hear the most.” >>>[/quote] This quote was referring to lessons I learn from them. Not the other way around. [quote]GCF wrote:<<< If only those children in African villages had internet access… and an interest in bodybuilding instead of spending their time starving to death they might’ve stood a chance![/quote] Africa right now is seeing a mighty move of the Spirit of God. I know people over there and our church supports missionaries in several African countries. And Haiti and a couple former soviet republics. AND we have ministries that go upon request to spiritually struggling churches right here in our own beloved dying United States.

Not that there’s any particular reason why you should, but you really don’t know a thing about the gospel of Jesus Christ dude. Hey, there’s another guy around here I keep saying that to.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
What I believe, even in the details, was the prevailing view of this nation at her founding. [/quote]

My views were the prevailing view of Church when jesus founded the Church, and except for a few exceptions always has been the prevailing views of the Church that was founded by Jesus.

Because you know, Jesus founded America.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
What I believe, even in the details, was the prevailing view of this nation at her founding. [/quote]

My views were the prevailing view of Church when jesus founded the Church, and except for a few exceptions always has been the prevailing views of the Church that was founded by Jesus.
.[/quote]

I think there is a picture of that somewhere.

Anyhow, as far as we can tell Jesus despised Jewish organized religion and ran into them head first on a number of occasions.

I find it very hard to believe that he would have felt anything different for the Catholic Church.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< My views were the prevailing view of Church when jesus founded the Church, and except for a few exceptions always has been the prevailing views of the Church that was founded by Jesus. >>>[/quote]Chris, it is going to break your heart (and mine) when the God who’s church was founded in His covenant with Abraham in the book of Genesis finally makes known to you that this is simply not true. [quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< Because you know, Jesus founded America.[/quote] I wouldn’t state it that way, but we were the closest so far. Hence we WERE the greatest so far. Vat II came right along side the shock and awe campaign against the family in the 1960’s. Ecumenism and whoredom. The perfect satanic storm to finish castrating the church and destroy the family and along with both, the United States in one fell swoop. The most grandly successful and spectacular deception in the history of the world.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
What I believe, even in the details, was the prevailing view of this nation at her founding. [/quote]

My views were the prevailing view of Church when jesus founded the Church, and except for a few exceptions always has been the prevailing views of the Church that was founded by Jesus.
.[/quote]

I think there is a picture of that somewhere.

Anyhow, as far as we can tell Jesus despised Jewish organized religion and ran into them head first on a number of occasions.

I find it very hard to believe that he would have felt anything different for the Catholic Church. [/quote]

Documentation?

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

Yes, I understand you think Pastor Chris is the Pope whom Jesus built his Church on and that you’re your Pope’s internet St. Paul. We get it, not so is it, separated brethren. Repent and believe!

Jesus did not lie when he said that the gates of Hell would not prevail against the Catholic Church, though you wish his Kingdom was taken down by the Devil as you call her a whore. As we can see the only Church that even claims to be founded by Jesus is the Catholic Church and historically and theologically this is true. Unless Pastor Chris is now saying that Jesus founded his Church? Though when you deny this, you just show that Headhunter is right in Christians being anti-intellectual. Well, at least Protestants. :slight_smile:

But you do mean it that way. That’s why you bring up this otherwise non sequitor.

Please, show documentation this is true.

You’re like the old woman who complains when her neighbor moves the toaster from one side of the kitchen to other…why you care is beyond anyone’s ability to reason. Except this old woman’s neighbor is her husband whom she won’t be obedient to, like she promised. It’s okay, one day you’ll see that the Catholic Church is the one, holy, apostolic, and catholic Church. You’ll repent and believe.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
What I believe, even in the details, was the prevailing view of this nation at her founding. [/quote]

My views were the prevailing view of Church when jesus founded the Church, and except for a few exceptions always has been the prevailing views of the Church that was founded by Jesus.
.[/quote]

I think there is a picture of that somewhere.

Anyhow, as far as we can tell Jesus despised Jewish organized religion and ran into them head first on a number of occasions.

I find it very hard to believe that he would have felt anything different for the Catholic Church. [/quote]

Documentation? [/quote]

You mean like whipping the money changers out of the temple and pointing out the hypocrisy of the pharisees with the whole “give unto Caesar” spiel was not enough?

What would the very same man have thought of the inquisition, the tithes, the Borgia popes, witch burnings, indulgences, the crusades and so further and so on.

At the very least he would have gotten his belt out for some good old fashioned cleansing and they would have burned him for it.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
What I believe, even in the details, was the prevailing view of this nation at her founding. [/quote]

My views were the prevailing view of Church when jesus founded the Church, and except for a few exceptions always has been the prevailing views of the Church that was founded by Jesus.
.[/quote]

I think there is a picture of that somewhere.

Anyhow, as far as we can tell Jesus despised Jewish organized religion and ran into them head first on a number of occasions.

I find it very hard to believe that he would have felt anything different for the Catholic Church. [/quote]

Documentation? [/quote]

You mean like whipping the money changers out of the temple and pointing out the hypocrisy of the pharisees with the whole “give unto Caesar” spiel was not enough?
[/quote]

I didn’t know that money changers and hypocrites were a religion. Thanks for informing me. But, please I would still like documentation that Jesus despised Jewish organized religion. Sounds like Nazi hate speech actually.

[quote]
What would the very same man have thought of the inquisition, the tithes, the Borgia popes, witch burnings, indulgences, the crusades and so further and so on.[/quote]

Inquisition = Government shouldn’t kill heretics.
Tithes = Jesus took and paid tithes (actually commanded them in the OT).
Borgia Popes = Sinners, scandalous.
Witch Burning = Believing in witches is heresy.
Indulgences = Shouldn’t pay for them, but they are part of the deposit of faith.
Crusades = Just war at beginning (after all they are a reaction from Muslims attacking Christians), corrupted by personal greed and pride later.

These are all the positions of the Church as well, because it is the body of Christ protected by infallibility. :slight_smile:

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
What I believe, even in the details, was the prevailing view of this nation at her founding. [/quote]

My views were the prevailing view of Church when jesus founded the Church, and except for a few exceptions always has been the prevailing views of the Church that was founded by Jesus.
.[/quote]

I think there is a picture of that somewhere.

Anyhow, as far as we can tell Jesus despised Jewish organized religion and ran into them head first on a number of occasions.

I find it very hard to believe that he would have felt anything different for the Catholic Church. [/quote]

Documentation? [/quote]

You mean like whipping the money changers out of the temple and pointing out the hypocrisy of the pharisees with the whole “give unto Caesar” spiel was not enough?
[/quote]

I didn’t know that money changers and hypocrites were a religion. Thanks for informing me. But, please I would still like documentation that Jesus despised Jewish organized religion. Sounds like Nazi hate speech actually.

[quote]
What would the very same man have thought of the inquisition, the tithes, the Borgia popes, witch burnings, indulgences, the crusades and so further and so on.[/quote]

Inquisition = Government shouldn’t kill heretics.
Tithes = Jesus took and paid tithes (actually commanded them in the OT).
Borgia Popes = Sinners, scandalous.
Witch Burning = Believing in witches is heresy.
Indulgences = Shouldn’t pay for them, but they are part of the deposit of faith.
Crusades = Just war at beginning (after all they are a reaction from Muslims attacking Christians), corrupted by personal greed and pride later.

These are all the positions of the Church as well, because it is the body of Christ protected by infallibility. :)[/quote]

Yeah well, he would have loved that to.

The whole infallibility shtick.

Does not help your argument though, it has not been around long enough.

Also, moneylenders and hypocrites are not a religion, they just thrive on organized religion. Not that money lending is in an of itself bad, but selling coins with an outrageous profit just because they have no picture of Caesar on it so that you can give it to the Temple is, like, not good, and very organized religion.

No, they should not, but the have, commanded by the CC.

Now way, he was not around in the OT. Also, new covenant and whatnot.

Yes, popes still.

Burned still, by the church of Christ. Allegedly. The allegedly part does not refer to the witch burnings. Those happened.

Should we not? How else to finance the whoring of cardinals?

Highly questionable under the just war doctrine, unless the Pope was the rightful, ordained worldly leader of all of Christendom and not even they did ever claim that. Besides, the just war doctrine is just that, a doctrine, meaning, rules made up by men.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Yeah well, he would have loved that to.

The whole infallibility shtick.

Does not help your argument though, it has not been around long enough.[/quote]

I know, two thousand years is a really short time compared to the 13.5 billion years, nevertheless it is true.

Did you just say that moneylenders is not a religion, but moneylending is very organized religion? Do you mean like Catholics aren’t organized religion, but Catholicism is very organized religion?

But, you’ve still not provided me documentation that Jesus hated Jewish organized religion.

Why should they not?

Second person of the Godhead has been around from the beginning. He was before the OT. Even said so.

Yes, St. Peter was worse. Doesn’t change that Jesus founded the Catholic Church.

Yes, those who disregarded what the Church said. I guess it’d be cool if the Church took out her sword and struck down the loons who thought witches were real, but then you’d have that double standard that they also take out their sword when loons are Mohammedans.

Yes, but heretics and schismatics (referring to the “Reformed”). It was a sad time in history for sure. However, Catholicism as organized religion did not burn witches, those who disregarded what organized religion said burned the witches. Distinction.

You mean help build a Cathedral? However, I’m not sure what problem you have with indulgences themselves (not speaking on selling them).

He is.

Jesus did.

Really? How do you know this?

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I wonder if the Promise keepers were good tippers ? :)[/quote]

Well to steer this back to the topic and away from the sermon of Trib.

I’m guessing they were very good tippers!

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[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I wonder if the Promise keepers were good tippers ? :)[/quote]

Well to steer this back to the topic and away from the sermon of Trib.

I’m guessing they were very good tippers![/quote]

:slight_smile: evidently :slight_smile:

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< one day you’ll see that the Catholic Church is the one, holy, apostolic, and catholic Church. You’ll repent and believe. [/quote]I disagree.