Anyone have any thoughts on ph’s being worth it?
Mostly for cutting
Thoughts?
What’s Mdrol? A PH?
Yeah… Mdrol is a superdrol clone…
IMO stay away from PH’s. For one thing, this cycle has you taking two orals, which your liver will not appreciate. Secondly, the bang for your buck usually just isn’t there with PH’s, especially when comparing risk to benefit. I have never taken superdrol, but I know several people who have, none of whom were satisfied. There are better compounds available than PH’s. What about injectables? Adding test as a base could make a huge difference for the efficacy of the cycle. Clen might help too.
[quote]strengthstudent wrote:
IMO stay away from PH’s. For one thing, this cycle has you taking two orals, which your liver will not appreciate. Secondly, the bang for your buck usually just isn’t there with PH’s, especially when comparing risk to benefit. I have never taken superdrol, but I know several people who have, none of whom were satisfied. There are better compounds available than PH’s. What about injectables? Adding test as a base could make a huge difference for the efficacy of the cycle. Clen might help too.[/quote]
clen?
Clenbuterol. He says he’s cutting… Just a thought.
What the hay I’ll chuck in some advice, although I personally have no experience dude, some guys I know run clostebol ( test derivitive ) anavar and clen for their cut. The anavar and clost helps keeps/gain weight on their cut. The only problem I see with it is the two orals, although they are mild.
[quote]Nate112 wrote:
The only problem I see with it is the two orals, although they are mild.[/quote]
Do you mean mildy anabolic or mild on the liver? If it’s mildly anabolic but kills the liver it’s a double loss.
[quote]HappyHarry wrote:
[quote]Nate112 wrote:
The only problem I see with it is the two orals, although they are mild.[/quote]
Do you mean mildy anabolic or mild on the liver? If it’s mildly anabolic but kills the liver it’s a double loss.
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That’s where my inexperience comes into play, there’s such little information on clostebol that I couldn’t answer it, I believe it’s mildly anabolic.
If it’s an oral, it will be harsh on the liver, although the degree of stress varies. Why not run actual test along with anavar and clen? 100 mgs of test prop EOD would go well with var and clen and would help you cut and keep you from looking like you just survived the holocaust.
not interested in pinnint.
How about transdermal products?
[quote]Autino wrote:
not interested in pinning.[/quote]
Why? What do you mean you’re “not interested”? Are you afraid of needles?
[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
[quote]Autino wrote:
not interested in pinning.[/quote]
Why? What do you mean you’re “not interested”? Are you afraid of needles?
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Even though pinning is safer, it would fukc with my head too much. I already know this…
The amount you’d get from transdermal would be very low, so low it’d probably be a waste. Test levels would be the same as when you are clean, so you’d be shut down with no significant increase in circulating androgens. The cycle as you propose it will most likely be disappointing, especially in light of how expensive var can be. My opinion is that if you aren’t willing to inject, you are not ready to experiment with these types of drugs. Save the money and use it on food instead. Train hard and smart, nail your diet, etc. to maximize natural gains and then when you are ready, rock some test in a REAL cycle. Sorry if that sounds harsh. Not trying to be a dick, just my opinion.
[quote]Autino wrote:
I am a recovering drug addict… 12 years clean and sober, but needles are too close for comfort… Too much of a trigger… Even though pinning is safer, it would fukc with my head too much. I already know this…[/quote]
I understand. I appreciate your candid response, and I apologise if my post was harshly worded (usually people wanting to do oral cycles have no good reason to). Congratulations on being clean for 12 years, good luck with your cycle.
Thanks to both of you for your replies.
[quote]strengthstudent wrote:
The amount you’d get from transdermal would be very low, so low it’d probably be a waste. Test levels would be the same as when you are clean, so you’d be shut down with no significant increase in circulating androgens. The cycle as you propose it will most likely be disappointing, especially in light of how expensive var can be. My opinion is that if you aren’t willing to inject, you are not ready to experiment with these types of drugs. Save the money and use it on food instead. Train hard and smart, nail your diet, etc. to maximize natural gains and then when you are ready, rock some test in a REAL cycle. Sorry if that sounds harsh. Not trying to be a dick, just my opinion.[/quote]
Where did you get the information about transdermal test? I ask because its completely wrong.
The second half of your advice is also completely retarded. The guy has a very valid reason for avoiding needles. Do you normally put your brain on autopilot when communicating with people like you did in that post?
OP var + dbol or winstrol + anadrol are two viable options. Both would have nice synergy and dont include a “high risk” drug like superdrol.
Also look into oral primobolan. It’s esterified so there is less impact on the liver. It is expensive though.
oh and about the transdermal. you can get levels high enough to have a positive effect but its not a very cost effective method for cycling for mass gains. Unless youre buying your own powder and making your own transdermal prepartion. Then the cost may work out
When I said the amount you get from transdermal is low, I was referring to the amount per patch or dose of cream. Transdermal is popular for TRT with the older guys at my gym but ALL of them have mentioned that to bump the dose high enough to feel like a cycle they couldn’t afford enough without buying injectable test. Like you said, it’s just not cost effective.
And as for the second part, I wrote it before the OP’s post about avoiding needles popped up. Like I said in my post, not trying to be a dick.
[quote]strengthstudent wrote:
When I said the amount you get from transdermal is low, I was referring to the amount per patch or dose of cream. Transdermal is popular for TRT with the older guys at my gym but ALL of them have mentioned that to bump the dose high enough to feel like a cycle they couldn’t afford enough without buying injectable test. Like you said, it’s just not cost effective.
And as for the second part, I wrote it before the OP’s post about avoiding needles popped up. Like I said in my post, not trying to be a dick.[/quote]
No you said that test levels would be the same as when youre clean. That’s simply not true. If somoene slaps 10x10g patches on him he sure as hell wont be the same T level as he was before putting the patches on.
edit 10g not 10mg
Haha… I guess if that was the case he would get quite a kick! I was thinking in terms of TRT doses of patches or creams, in which case he’d be using much less test and levels wouldn’t get so high, since TRT doses are close to natural levels or in the high normal range. But I see your point and OP, if you go that route (high dose patches) I’d be interested to hear about how it went. My bad guys… An assumption on my part that low doses would be used.