[quote]drunkpig wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
what do you think I said ?
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Exactly what you wrote:
[b]An argument could be made the same that the reason more blacks are poor than whites is in it’s self racist[/b][/quote]
I did not say per capita and the figures are very close not considering per capita
http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet
Blacks are incarcerated 6 to 1 whites
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Pitbull,
The war on drugs is not racist.
It’s about $$$.
If you wanted to “declare war” on something in the attempts of cleaning up society, when the truth is it’s more about funding the prison industrial complex, as well as the judicial system, you declare war on the most commonly used/abused act known to man…pot.
If you declared war on rape, or child molestation, our prisons would be filled with only a fraction of the number we currently have incarcerated.
In the Feds, maybe 65% of those locked up are for non-violent drug offenses, of which are usually associated with pot. Then you have rehab programs, probation, counselors, and other minutia that requires more funding.
The prison/judicial machine is FAR too large of a lobby and industry to try to reduce. WAY too much money for many involved, and it will never end. [/quote]
Goddamnit your rational post makes me sad 
[quote]BPCorso wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Pitbull,
The war on drugs is not racist.
It’s about $$$.
If you wanted to “declare war” on something in the attempts of cleaning up society, when the truth is it’s more about funding the prison industrial complex, as well as the judicial system, you declare war on the most commonly used/abused act known to man…pot.
If you declared war on rape, or child molestation, our prisons would be filled with only a fraction of the number we currently have incarcerated.
In the Feds, maybe 65% of those locked up are for non-violent drug offenses, of which are usually associated with pot. Then you have rehab programs, probation, counselors, and other minutia that requires more funding.
The prison/judicial machine is FAR too large of a lobby and industry to try to reduce. WAY too much money for many involved, and it will never end. [/quote]
Goddamnit your rational post makes me sad
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I found out the hard way.
As a white person who deals with crime while working, I will say that blacks seem to commit almost no crimes which have true victims. I’m not stating that as fact or to represent the views of anyone else, but that’s the way I have seen it.
Most crime involving black people seems to be either totally victimless crime in which a voluntary exchange is made, or a crime resulting from some civil issue brought up by a voluntary exchange which the government can’t be involved in because it has criminalized the voluntary exchange.
I have no idea why blacks continue to vote in favor of racism/collectivism.
Dunno what the hell is going on here. Seems like the majority of you are comfortable with connecting conviction rates to ethics, and concluding non whites are more prone to crime…
This place really is low.
[quote]Severiano wrote:
Dunno what the hell is going on here. Seems like the majority of you are comfortable with connecting conviction rates to ethics, and concluding non whites are more prone to crime…
This place really is low. [/quote]
Ethics? wtf?
[quote]drunkpig wrote:
[quote]Severiano wrote:
Dunno what the hell is going on here. Seems like the majority of you are comfortable with connecting conviction rates to ethics, and concluding non whites are more prone to crime…
This place really is low. [/quote]
Ethics? wtf? [/quote]
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Can Severiano please elaborate on this ?
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]drunkpig wrote:
[quote]Severiano wrote:
Dunno what the hell is going on here. Seems like the majority of you are comfortable with connecting conviction rates to ethics, and concluding non whites are more prone to crime…
This place really is low. [/quote]
Ethics? wtf? [/quote]
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Can Severiano please elaborate on this ?[/quote]
He has relatives in jail? Persecuted?
Maybe return to the motherland where things are much more fair?
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]drunkpig wrote:
[quote]Severiano wrote:
Dunno what the hell is going on here. Seems like the majority of you are comfortable with connecting conviction rates to ethics, and concluding non whites are more prone to crime…
This place really is low. [/quote]
Ethics? wtf? [/quote]
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Can Severiano please elaborate on this ?[/quote]
He has relatives in jail? Persecuted?
Maybe return to the motherland where things are much more fair?
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Probably a typo or incorrect autofill.
Here is a 2008 report by Human Rights Watch on drug-use rates, race and gender, and conviction rates for drug crimes in the U.S. for anyone who is interested. In my experience, HRW generally goes out of its way to document its claims and is one organization that can be taken seriously in this regard. I have never really heard much from its opponents that it manipulates evidence or statistics, for example. Also, HRW is generally willing to target any human-rights problem in any country and doesn’t just target America and its allies.
Disclaimer: According to Wikipedia, Soros is a now a big funder of HRW, if that makes a difference to anyone in terms of credibility.
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
Here is a 2008 report by Human Rights Watch on drug-use rates, race and gender, and conviction rates for drug crimes in the U.S. for anyone who is interested. In my experience, HRW generally goes out of its way to document its claims and is one organization that can be taken seriously in this regard. I have never really heard much from its opponents that it manipulates evidence or statistics, for example. Also, HRW is generally willing to target any human-rights problem in any country and doesn’t just target America and its allies.
Disclaimer: According to Wikipedia, Soros is a now a big funder of HRW, if that makes a difference to anyone in terms of credibility.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Watch[/quote]
Damn Liberals , wanting liberty for all 
[quote]Brett620 wrote:
LEO perspective here.
Yes profiling exists and it’s effective. CRIMINAL profiling, not racial profiling. Does it happen? Sure. Is it wrong? Of course.
I’ve worked in various specialized units like narcotics and investigations where suspects’ behavior/mannerisms/setting/neighborhood and many other factors that add up to give you the idea that “criminal activity may be afoot”. Now, this standard (As in the case with Terry vs. OH.) is NOT a reasonable person standard, this is a POLICE OFFICER standard. This is a higher awareness granted by the court for “reasonable suspicion”. Basically, the court says: Your job is to for 8 hours a day look for shady characters up to no good. We trust your with the authority to stop to person when you can ARTICULATE THE FACTS on what they are doing that are suspicious.
So when you profile, you profile the behavior AND the person. Not just a black face. Officer, why did you stop my client? “He was Black and this is a real nice part of town. We’ve been having a lot of break-ins in the area”. Nope. That shit ain’t gonna fly.
Officer, why did you stop my client? “It was 2am. I was on routine patrol. Our zone has been experiencing a rash of break-ins in the area. The suspect is known to be a young male black. I spotted your client and approached him, when he saw me he changed directions. I then quickly got out of the car and stopped him”. Legitimate stop.
With all these “stats”… Comstat basically just follows where the crime is. In a given month, if we are experiencing shootings and robberies and certain districts, resources will be deployed to those districts and arrests will be made. And it just so happens the criminals prey on the poor. And where do the poor live? In the housing projects in the inner-city. They set up their drug trade and maintain/recycle their relationships with their family/baby mama/girlfriends/fuck buddys/friends/ etc. We can all thank LBJ for our beloved housing projects. This is where minorities live. You will find some Whites, but most poor Whites will move out to the more rural trailer parks. So crime gets committed here. Resources are deployed. Folks get arrested. That’s how it works.
And trust me, most people in law enforcement find it insulting that some people think that we practice/condone/tolerate racial profiling. Our internal discipline measures keep us in check. Trust me.[/quote]
I took a break from this thread because I knew it was going to go crazy, but I wanted to pop back in and say excellent post. I think I have been talking about something slightly different than others here. I also think that the term “racial profiling” has been used to apply to things like you have been talking about as well as true-blue infringements on civil rights and bigotry. This is what I have been trying to address because I see it called “profiling” all the time. Clearly not doing a great job articulating, however I have no desire to get back into this mess of a thread. But yes excellent post and I agree.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Am I decrying the profiling of white serial killers? No.[/quote]
No…but you are also NOT tasking all white people to police those white serial killers as if it is their responsibility.[/quote]
No, only the whites who complain about the profiling of white men. If you have a problem with so many minorities being profiled, fine. If you think that the problem of profiling is ANYWHERE close to being comparable to the problem of 1 out of 8 black men being a convicted felon, then there’s no point in arguing with you.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Am I decrying the profiling of white serial killers? No.[/quote]
No…but you are also NOT tasking all white people to police those white serial killers as if it is their responsibility.[/quote]
No, only the whites who complain about the profiling of white men.[/quote]
LOL!
Yes, because that happens so much it has become a social issue?
Are you serious with this reply?
[quote]
If you have a problem with so many minorities being profiled, fine. If you think that the problem of profiling is ANYWHERE close to being comparable to the problem of 1 out of 8 black men being a convicted felon, then there’s no point in arguing with you.[/quote]
What does this even mean?
This doesn’t mean that there aren’t just as many white men who do the same crimes.
You are simply pointing out who got caught.
Bottom line, you tasked BLACK PEOPLE with policing all other BLACK PEOPLE.
That makes no logical sense and you do not hold white people to the same standards…because they don’t have to???
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Unless he is saying that skin color makes one more prone for certain activities like crime, relating skin color to crime rates alone is not looking at the real situation.
It is scape-goating and finger pointing with a racial undertone.[/quote]
I guess I need to say this explicitly, to overcome your ongoing delusions of persecution:
“Unless he is saying…”
I’m not SAYING anything. I asked you a simple question about what you thought were accurate, relative per capita crime rates.
I was merely interested in how you saw the correlation, given some of your statements here.
But you’re so busy being persecuted that you hopped, skipped and jumped to concluding all sorts of hidden points to my question.
Demonstrating, I guess, just how futile discussions about race inevitably are with you.
But, of course I must be vilifing all black people! The facts that I grew up with all black friends in a housing project, maintain many of those friendships today, have a wife who suffers from racism when we’re in the States, and am racially profiled myself on a daily basis have done nothing to shape my views on race in America. How could they? I’m WHITE, for crying outloud!
PS: Read Skyz’s reply again. See, Dorothy, there IS a way to respond without getting all defensive. [/quote]
Your original post:
[quote]I’m curious about something, X.
Do you believe that the (real and accurate) per capita crime rate is higher among blacks than among whites in the US, or that that question is unanswerable?[/quote]
I think we have no idea what the true CRIME RATES are because you are only looking at who got caught and not WHO IS OUT COMMITTING ALL CRIME.
You wrote a very long post here about “delusions”. Not sure why. It may be more exciting to read if you stayed on topic.
[quote]Professor X wrote:<<< I think we have no idea what the true CRIME RATES are because you are only looking at who got caught and not WHO IS OUT COMMITTING ALL CRIME. >>>[/quote] You feel that a sampling of millions (and millions) of arrests, convictions and acquittals gives us “no idea” of who is committing crimes? I just wanna make sure I got that straight.