[quote]SSC wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Itchy wrote:
Here we go…eh, yes–that’s much better.
I heard she finally got topless in one of her movies. I’m excited about that.
I don’t think so. Cuthbert actually lobbied pretty hard against The Girl Next Door to take a big part of the movie, a topless scene, out. I remember reading in and interview that she’d never ‘do that.’
Shamesies.[/quote]
Usually when actresses say that, they mean they’d never do that… for the amount of money being offered.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Gawd, why the hell do you guys overthink this shit? It isn’t “just one working set” because those other sets DO help the muscle to grow as well. If I am going up to 450lbs, it isn’t like that last set of 360lbs didn’t help my chest grow at all. Also, since this is how I have trained from day one, I would say YES, you can grow effectively this way.
Your questions are too specific because there is no “always do this” answer. I go up in weight by 45lbs a side to my heaviest weight for chest pressing movements. Each set, I add on another two plates. How about trying this out and figuring out for yourself how much you need to go up in weight?[/quote]
The big man is right. What the fuck? The more and more I read about all these fix all/wonder programs (except DC that sum bitch is in a category of it own) the more and more I notice that is the same shit recycled and relabelled. Lift heavy, go up in weight every set and taper the reps accordingly, throw in some drops after the heaviest set if you feel the need. I’ve done this since the days I used to struggle with the 35lbers on the flat DB bench. Works just fine. I find no need to fucking overanalyze everything. I’m not prep’ing for a show and I’m not to the point that symmetry is my main concern. Maybe 5% of the population here is at that level and I can only name two sum bitches of the top of my head. I just hit everything as hard as humanly possible and beyond. Like Equis said, there’s no “do this” answer. We are all fucking different. We all respond differently, but the universal factors are to train hard using heavy compound movements, a bodybuilding oriented user specific diet, and as much as rest as possible. No swiss ball single arm presses, no static holds, none of the pseudo weight lifting cock wrangling malarky.
/rant
[quote]SmallToBig wrote:
So Christian / CT/ Coach …
What do you think about ramping down instead of up ?
I was put on the Big Beyond Belief Program if you have heard of it, is ramping down as effective as up if your still putting more weight on the bar ?
And by the way i am attempting to learn stuff on my own and less relying on the 2 poor people helping me (:P) your “Training for Newbies” series are well explained for a complete beginner.
Many thanks ![/quote]
You ARE warming up right? I’m doing BBB and I always ramp up warm up sets before I do the straight sets. I’m pretty sure in the ebook it goes over warm ups if i’m not mistaken, but even if it didn’t you should ALWAYS warm up before…
Unless you WANT to get injured. I hope you aren’t just walking in and putting your top weight on the bar.
[quote]Itchy wrote:
Here we go…eh, yes–that’s much better.
[/quote]
My wife went to a charity event a few months back. I didn’t go…fuck. Elisha and her BF sat at the same table as my wife. When my wife told me I think I was a little too enthusiastic in my disappointment for not going. She laughed…kinda. And, yes I bought Girl next Door for the plot line and acting.
[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
I’ve done this since the days I used to struggle with the 35lbers on the flat DB bench. Works just fine. [/quote]
So like what, 2… 3 weeks ago?
OK guys, I had my third ramping workout, now. Today was chest and I’m pretty sure I’m doing it wrong.
-flat dumbbell bench:
20s x 10; 40 x 8; 60 x 6; 70 x 4; 80 x 6 + drop sets
-incline dumbbell bench:
40s x 8; 60 x 4; 70 x 7 + drop sets
-decline dumbbell bench:
40s x 8; 60 x 5; 70 x 7
incline dumbbell fly:
20s x 10; 25 x 8; 30 x 9
…
Now, here is my previous chest workout when I was doing straight sets:
-flat dumbbell bench:
25s x 20; 45 x 12; 60 x 5; 80 x 7, 5, 4
-incline dumbbell bench:
40 x 12; 70 x 7, 5, 4, 3
-decline dumbbell bench:
70 x 5, 5, 5, 4
-HS incline press:
50/side x 13, 9, 8
With this new method, I didn’t even match my PR on flat, I matched it on incline, I set a PR on decline. But my overall volume was much lower. I don’t know if I’m doing this right…
I could press my working set with less of a warm up, but Professor X said that the warm up helps in the muscle growth. So I don’t know what to do here…
[quote]Artem wrote:
OK guys, I had my third ramping workout, now. Today was chest and I’m pretty sure I’m doing it wrong.
-flat dumbbell bench:
20s x 10; 40 x 8; 60 x 6; 70 x 4; 80 x 6 + drop sets
-incline dumbbell bench:
40s x 8; 60 x 4; 70 x 7 + drop sets
-decline dumbbell bench:
40s x 8; 60 x 5; 70 x 7
incline dumbbell fly:
20s x 10; 25 x 8; 30 x 9
…
Now, here is my previous chest workout when I was doing straight sets:
-flat dumbbell bench:
25s x 20; 45 x 12; 60 x 5; 80 x 7, 5, 4
-incline dumbbell bench:
40 x 12; 70 x 7, 5, 4, 3
-decline dumbbell bench:
70 x 5, 5, 5, 4
-HS incline press:
50/side x 13, 9, 8
With this new method, I didn’t even match my PR on flat, I matched it on incline, I set a PR on decline. But my overall volume was much lower. I don’t know if I’m doing this right…
I could press my working set with less of a warm up, but Professor X said that the warm up helps in the muscle growth. So I don’t know what to do here…[/quote]
Are you going to or near failure on any of your warm ups?
How intense are you being with your sets? If you only have one top set you gotta give it everything you have.
[quote]MeinHerzBrennt wrote:
Artem wrote:
OK guys, I had my third ramping workout, now. Today was chest and I’m pretty sure I’m doing it wrong.
-flat dumbbell bench:
20s x 10; 40 x 8; 60 x 6; 70 x 4; 80 x 6 + drop sets
-incline dumbbell bench:
40s x 8; 60 x 4; 70 x 7 + drop sets
-decline dumbbell bench:
40s x 8; 60 x 5; 70 x 7
incline dumbbell fly:
20s x 10; 25 x 8; 30 x 9
…
Now, here is my previous chest workout when I was doing straight sets:
-flat dumbbell bench:
25s x 20; 45 x 12; 60 x 5; 80 x 7, 5, 4
-incline dumbbell bench:
40 x 12; 70 x 7, 5, 4, 3
-decline dumbbell bench:
70 x 5, 5, 5, 4
-HS incline press:
50/side x 13, 9, 8
With this new method, I didn’t even match my PR on flat, I matched it on incline, I set a PR on decline. But my overall volume was much lower. I don’t know if I’m doing this right…
I could press my working set with less of a warm up, but Professor X said that the warm up helps in the muscle growth. So I don’t know what to do here…
Are you going to or near failure on any of your warm ups?
How intense are you being with your sets? If you only have one top set you gotta give it everything you have. [/quote]
I’ve always given it everything I have. I go to complete failure, then some partials, then 1 or 2 drops sets immediately
My warm ups aren’t too hard… I just feel they’re unnecessary. For example, on flat dumbbell press, I could have gone from 60s to 80s. I always have, gut I did the 70s and I’m not sure why. That’s just how pyramids work, I guess…
So what am I doing wrong?
You guys say to train instinctively. I was training instinctively with straight sets, but now I need to be taught how to do this new method. I know it’s simple and all, but I feel I’m doing it wrong.
So does Elisha Cuthbert get naked or not?
As intense as a grilled stuffed burrito at Taco Bell?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Growing_Boy wrote:
I’ve done this since the days I used to struggle with the 35lbers on the flat DB bench. Works just fine.
So like what, 2… 3 weeks ago?[/quote]
lol no braw like last Monday.
[quote]Artem wrote:
-flat dumbbell bench:
20s x 10; 40 x 8; 60 x 6; 70 x 4; 80 x 6 + drop sets
-incline dumbbell bench:
40s x 8; 60 x 4; 70 x 7 + drop sets
…[/quote]
My exact workout from yesterday for these 2 exercises
DB Flat
50x8
75x6
100x8
DB Incline
45x8
65x8
90x8
You’re also reducing your carbs correct? Was there a reduction from the last chest day to this day?
[quote]spc.stewart30 wrote:
So does Elisha Cuthbert get naked or not?[/quote]
Just Google it and get the video clip, already. She flashed her boobs in the new flick she did with Christian Slater.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Artem wrote:
-flat dumbbell bench:
20s x 10; 40 x 8; 60 x 6; 70 x 4; 80 x 6 + drop sets
-incline dumbbell bench:
40s x 8; 60 x 4; 70 x 7 + drop sets
…
My exact workout from yesterday for these 2 exercises
DB Flat
50x8
75x6
100x8
DB Incline
45x8
65x8
90x8
You’re also reducing your carbs correct? Was there a reduction from the last chest day to this day?[/quote]
Yeah, I’m zero carb now.
So you’re saying to leave a larger weight space between my last warm up set and my working set?
What would you have done in my position using my weights?
[quote]spc.stewart30 wrote:
So does Elisha Cuthbert get naked or not?[/quote]
Because I’m such a nice guy.
Apparently there’s some dispute if they’re her boobs or not. I say who cares, they’re nice… whosever they are.
[quote]SSC wrote:
spc.stewart30 wrote:
So does Elisha Cuthbert get naked or not?
Because I’m such a nice guy.
Apparently there’s some dispute if they’re her boobs or not. I say who cares, they’re nice… whosever they are.[/quote]
Yeah, I guess the cut does leave it up for debate… but “who cares, they’re nice” is spot on.
.
I find it hard to believe that people are still discussing and figuring out whether or not they’re doing this correctly…Even after it’s been told and explained 100 times in the past 6 pages.
What the fuck, man.
Artem, with your weights I would have done (for example, on your flat db presses):
30 x 10-12
60 x 6-8
80 x as many as possible, with a drop set if you’re into that sort of thing.
You don’t need to hit every weight in the middle (70s), you just need to warmup in order to press your max set as many times as possible.
[quote]Artem wrote:
MeinHerzBrennt wrote:
Artem wrote:
OK guys, I had my third ramping workout, now. Today was chest and I’m pretty sure I’m doing it wrong.
-flat dumbbell bench:
20s x 10; 40 x 8; 60 x 6; 70 x 4; 80 x 6 + drop sets
-incline dumbbell bench:
40s x 8; 60 x 4; 70 x 7 + drop sets
-decline dumbbell bench:
40s x 8; 60 x 5; 70 x 7
incline dumbbell fly:
20s x 10; 25 x 8; 30 x 9
…
Now, here is my previous chest workout when I was doing straight sets:
-flat dumbbell bench:
25s x 20; 45 x 12; 60 x 5; 80 x 7, 5, 4
-incline dumbbell bench:
40 x 12; 70 x 7, 5, 4, 3
-decline dumbbell bench:
70 x 5, 5, 5, 4
-HS incline press:
50/side x 13, 9, 8
With this new method, I didn’t even match my PR on flat, I matched it on incline, I set a PR on decline. But my overall volume was much lower. I don’t know if I’m doing this right…
I could press my working set with less of a warm up, but Professor X said that the warm up helps in the muscle growth. So I don’t know what to do here…
Are you going to or near failure on any of your warm ups?
How intense are you being with your sets? If you only have one top set you gotta give it everything you have.
I’ve always given it everything I have. I go to complete failure, then some partials, then 1 or 2 drops sets immediately
My warm ups aren’t too hard… I just feel they’re unnecessary. For example, on flat dumbbell press, I could have gone from 60s to 80s. I always have, gut I did the 70s and I’m not sure why. That’s just how pyramids work, I guess…
So what am I doing wrong? [/quote] Why didn’t you go from the 60’s to the 80’s?
Come on. Have you ever watched a DVD of, say, Ronnie?
Try this next time… And you will get 8 or more reps on that last set… Stop being a pussy 
Flat DB:
-20’s8
-40’s5
-60’s3
-80’sAMAP
Incline DB: (or do HS incline here)
-35’s6-8
-50’s3
-70’s*AMAP
(or just do your warm-ups like you did when using straight-sets… In that case, do the 40’s and then the 70’s top set…)
+Pec Deck or whatever for the pump…
Dude, you don’t need 4 pressing exercises just for your chest in a single session… That’s another possible reason for why you weren’t gaining strength the way you should have on your bulk…
Forget about the drop-sets for now, too. Just get your baseline with the “new” method, and then keep beating the logbook…
You can always up the volume later, but stick to the basics now and don’t overdo it.
If you want, use DC rest-pause on some machine press or whatever, but imo stick to 2 presses + some isolation stuff for now.
A little more confidence. Come on.
You mostly did it right previously, warm-up wise… You just did way more top sets than necessary.
More isn’t always better…