[quote]Professor X wrote:
All I need now is a WOMAN who won’t stab me in the back and I have no complaints.[/quote]
Somewhere HolyMac is crying on the inside
I’m sure this has been asked before, but what do you attribute to you Lat development? I mean other than copious amounts of steak of course.
[quote]OT wrote:
I’m sure this has been asked before, but what do you attribute to you Lat development? I mean other than copious amounts of steak of course.[/quote]
As far as back development, I do tons of rows…all kinds. The only one I don’t ever do much is the straight bar row. I use a lot of hammer strength machines for this now and randomly throw in cable rows and t-bar rows.
I have nothing but positive things to say about most HS plate loaded machines because a lot of my training has revolved around them for the past 6 or 7 years or more.
HOWEVER, one thing you need to remember when asking questions like this of anyone with some size on them…training is about progression. How I train now is NOT exactly how I trained from the start so if you are asking about EVERYTHING that helped me get to this size, that would also include about a year or more of trying to outdo training partners on chin ups…several years of mostly cable pull downs, dumbbell rows and t-bar rows…and then several years of going heavy on hs machines.
You can’t skip to the end of the book and expect the same progress.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]OT wrote:
I’m sure this has been asked before, but what do you attribute to you Lat development? I mean other than copious amounts of steak of course.[/quote]
As far as back development, I do tons of rows…all kinds. The only one I don’t ever do much is the straight bar row. I use a lot of hammer strength machines for this now and randomly throw in cable rows and t-bar rows.
I have nothing but positive things to say about most HS plate loaded machines because a lot of my training has revolved around them for the past 6 or 7 years or more.
HOWEVER, one thing you need to remember when asking questions like this of anyone with some size on them…training is about progression. How I train now is NOT exactly how I trained from the start so if you are asking about EVERYTHING that helped me get to this size, that would also include about a year or more of trying to outdo training partners on chin ups…several years of mostly cable pull downs, dumbbell rows and t-bar rows…and then several years of going heavy on hs machines.
You can’t skip to the end of the book and expect the same progress.[/quote]
surprised you haven’t maxed out most of those back hs rows haha
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]OT wrote:
I’m sure this has been asked before, but what do you attribute to you Lat development? I mean other than copious amounts of steak of course.[/quote]
As far as back development, I do tons of rows…all kinds. The only one I don’t ever do much is the straight bar row. I use a lot of hammer strength machines for this now and randomly throw in cable rows and t-bar rows.[/quote]
Yea, for some reason you don’t strike me as the type to do something like rack chins often
By the way I know you’ve said your calves are probably your worst/most stubborn body part so you work them almost every workout. Have you given DC calf training a shot? I know you’re not really into programs (although I believe you’ve mentioned DC is one of the few you’d actually try) but I’ve heard a lot of good things from people who had smaller calves being able to bring them up with that method.
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]OT wrote:
I’m sure this has been asked before, but what do you attribute to you Lat development? I mean other than copious amounts of steak of course.[/quote]
As far as back development, I do tons of rows…all kinds. The only one I don’t ever do much is the straight bar row. I use a lot of hammer strength machines for this now and randomly throw in cable rows and t-bar rows.[/quote]
Yea, for some reason you don’t strike me as the type to do something like rack chins often
By the way I know you’ve said your calves are probably your worst/most stubborn body part so you work them almost every workout. Have you given DC calf training a shot? I know you’re not really into programs (although I believe you’ve mentioned DC is one of the few you’d actually try) but I’ve heard a lot of good things from people who had smaller calves being able to bring them up with that method. [/quote]
I don’t use DC. I measured them this weekend at 18.5" which is about half an inch bigger than last year so what I am doing seems to be working. When I refer to them as my worst body part, I don’t mean they are super tiny. I mean that for the size of the rest of me, they probably need to be closer to 20".
Looking back, they really haven’t made progress that bad considering they were no doubt around 14" or less when I was in high school.
I just wish I had started training them regularly like this from the start.
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Yea, for some reason you don’t strike me as the type to do something like rack chins often [/quote] Weird statement?
Btw, you could just look at the beginning of this thread to get some idea of what his back training used to be like… He’s gone over every bodypart in here. It’s not like he doesn’t do any width/vertical exercises if that’s what you meant…
Also, I got myself a “high row” for my homegym… That combined with the HS-style pulldown is just fucking great! Way better than any free-weight exercises I’ve ever done for backwidth, save rack chins (and droop rows I guess).
Hammer Strength (and similar) back machines are great…
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Is it just me or is my post above blank?
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Yea, for some reason you don’t strike me as the type to do something like rack chins often
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What a weird statement?
He does width/vertical exercises (or did), if that’s what you were wondering about, you just have to look at the first few pages of this thread to see him go over every major muscle-group.
On another note, I bought a machine similar to the HS “High Row” (more of a width thing than a regular row) for my home-gym.
Love it! Together with the HS pulldown -style machine it beats just about every free-weight width movement I’ve ever done, save rack chins and droop rows…
HS has the market cornered when it comes to back machines… Compared to the pieces of scrap-metal I’ve had to endure for years, training on one of those “new” machines is totally awesome!
And the HS low rows and others feel INFINITELY better than barbell rows. Everything from how they hit your back to grip etc…
Only complaint I have is that you can’t really add enough weight via 45’s… Maybe If I buy some ~100lb plates or so, or find a way to extend those things that hold the plates…
Since Pumped340’s asked about exercise choices… Below is X’s post on that from page one of this thread (minus triceps, I think the tricep post was on some other page)
X, if you have a few moments, would you mind updating that list? (I’m looking for more inspiration on what HS machines to buy 
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Since Pumped340’s asked about exercise choices… Below is X’s post on that from page one of this thread (minus triceps, I think the tricep post was on some other page)
X, if you have a few moments, would you mind updating that list? (I’m looking for more inspiration on what HS machines to buy
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I was lifting at a different gym when I wrote that…in another state I think.
Right now, it looks more like:
Biceps -
-machine curls (light weight) to fatigue the brachioradialis.
-Alternate curls using a new machine that uses pads like a preacher bench but each arm is elevated and allows for unilateral work
-Preacher curls on the HS plate loaded machine
-cable curls
Chest -
-wide grip HS press (going uo to 6 plates a side for 8 reps now)
-laying HS flat press (only holds 5 plates a side)
-incline press (also only holds 5 plates a side)
Back -
-Lat pulldowns
-HS high row
-HS row for mid back (I usually go up to at least 5 plates but can do 6…but don’t because using that much weight crushes my balls into the machine)
-front high rows using the lat pull down machine and a close grip attachment
Legs -
-one legged leg presses
-the same squat machine we’ve discussed before (this is the core of my leg workout)
-leg curls
-more calf raises
Shoulders -
-overhead presses using a stack plate hs machine
-shrugs
-lateral raises using the seated machine with an added 2-45lbs plates to the stack (this has honestly been the main reason why my shoulders look the way they do over the past year or so…I think dumbbells limited me)
-reverse pec deck
I may be leaving something out but that is most of it.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Since Pumped340’s asked about exercise choices… Below is X’s post on that from page one of this thread (minus triceps, I think the tricep post was on some other page)
X, if you have a few moments, would you mind updating that list? (I’m looking for more inspiration on what HS machines to buy
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I was lifting at a different gym when I wrote that…in another state I think.
Right now, it looks more like:
Biceps -
-machine curls (light weight) to fatigue the brachioradialis.
-Alternate curls using a new machine that uses pads like a preacher bench but each arm is elevated and allows for unilateral work [/quote] Ah yes, I’ve seen that one in a vid of Lee Priest, or maybe D-Jackson… [quote]
-Preacher curls on the HS plate loaded machine
-cable curls
Chest -
-wide grip HS press (going uo to 6 plates a side for 8 reps now)
-laying HS flat press (only holds 5 plates a side)
-incline press (also only holds 5 plates a side)
Back -
-Lat pulldowns
-HS high row
-HS row for mid back (I usually go up to at least 5 plates but can do 6…but don’t because using that much weight crushes my balls into the machine) [/quote] Buy an armored codpiece?
On another note, is that the “low row”?[quote]
-front high rows using the lat pull down machine and a close grip attachment
Legs -
-one legged leg presses [/quote] Got tired of piling on ~40 plates every leg day, huh? [quote]
-the same squat machine we’ve discussed before (this is the core of my leg workout)
-leg curls
-more calf raises
Shoulders -
-overhead presses using a stack plate hs machine
-shrugs
-lateral raises using the seated machine with an added 2-45lbs plates to the stack (this has honestly been the main reason why my shoulders look the way they do over the past year or so…I think dumbbells limited me) [/quote] That’s the next thing on my “to-buy” list. [quote]
-reverse pec deck [/quote] That, too. Face-pulls in the lat-pulldown station work ok, but I still need a REAL rear-delt scorcher… [quote]
I may be leaving something out but that is most of it.[/quote]
I like how triceps are a weak area of yours, and not only did you forget about them in your original exercise-selection post, you also forgot about them in the new one
Thanks for updating the list.
Shame that I can only buy a HS/similar machine once every 3-4 months or so… They’re a little on the expensive side considering that most of them cannot be used for more than 1 kind of exercise, but they rule anyway.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I don’t use DC. I measured them this weekend at 18.5" which is about half an inch bigger than last year so what I am doing seems to be working. When I refer to them as my worst body part, I don’t mean they are super tiny. I mean that for the size of the rest of me, they probably need to be closer to 20".
Looking back, they really haven’t made progress that bad considering they were no doubt around 14" or less when I was in high school.
I just wish I had started training them regularly like this from the start.[/quote]
You’ve mentioned before you work them nearly every training session right? What do you do for them that you feel has helped the most? I started at around 13-14in. calves in high school and they’ve been a bitch to bring up to be honest. At times there’s been months of intensely training them to find they’ve either gone nowhere or even shrunk
I really wonder how big my calves may have gotten if I just stayed fat as a teen rather than getting near anorexically thin.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Is it just me or is my post above blank?
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Yea, for some reason you don’t strike me as the type to do something like rack chins often
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What a weird statement?
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lol I don’t know, maybe because he said he doesn’t do DC at all and I somewhat associate rack chins with DC…but I just figured he didn’t do them. Looks like I was right
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Got tired of piling on ~40 plates every leg day, huh? [/quote]
That is actually one of the reasons…plus my knee gives me problems so this helps me gauge how strong I can go that workout on the next exercise.
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I like how triceps are a weak area of yours, and not only did you forget about them in your original exercise-selection post, you also forgot about them in the new one :)[/quote]
Good point. I actually gave them their own day starting two weeks ago but didn’t write it. I haven’t been able to find another hs dip machine around me and there is nothing better for triceps. Weighted dips just aren’t the same.
For triceps, lately it has been:
-cable pressdowns
-kickbacks (I usually go up to 60 lately but can do more)
-single arm cable pressdown
-triceps extensions on the seated machine
As you can see I don’t do dips right now which sucks.
hey PX, I just got all four of my widom teeth extracted on thursday and was wondering how long it would take for me to be able to lift again. The procedure took 40 minutes and the doc said there was no tissue damage or anything. On thursday I have another appointment with him and he told me to not do anything until that day and that he’d tell me then when I could do stuff. I’m going to do everything as he says because he has seen me personally and he knows his shit but still, with your experience, about how long should one wait until one is able to lift again?
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
You’ve mentioned before you work them nearly every training session right? What do you do for them that you feel has helped the most? I started at around 13-14in. calves in high school and they’ve been a bitch to bring up to be honest. At times there’s been months of intensely training them to find they’ve either gone nowhere or even shrunk[/quote]
Two things brought them up.
-Me weighing this much
-training them every session as the first thing I do for a number of years now
They grow very slowly for me. It just so happens that after all of this time, I can’t really complain that they just won’t grow because no one would listen. I think generally, most people consider anything over 17" to be “big” for calves…but they wouldn’t be that big on some bodybuilders.
[quote]myself1992 wrote:
hey PX, I just got all four of my widom teeth extracted on thursday and was wondering how long it would take for me to be able to lift again. The procedure took 40 minutes and the doc said there was no tissue damage or anything. On thursday I have another appointment with him and he told me to not do anything until that day and that he’d tell me then when I could do stuff. I’m going to do everything as he says because he has seen me personally and he knows his shit but still, with your experience, about how long should one wait until one is able to lift again?[/quote]
Listen to your doctor. I’m not going to get in the way of someone else’s professional advice especially since he is actually looking at you and may be aware of conditions that I’m not.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Got tired of piling on ~40 plates every leg day, huh? [/quote]
That is actually one of the reasons…plus my knee gives me problems so this helps me gauge how strong I can go that workout on the next exercise.
[quote]
I like how triceps are a weak area of yours, and not only did you forget about them in your original exercise-selection post, you also forgot about them in the new one :)[/quote]
Good point. I actually gave them their own day starting two weeks ago but didn’t write it. I haven’t been able to find another hs dip machine around me and there is nothing better for triceps. Weighted dips just aren’t the same.
For triceps, lately it has been:
-cable pressdowns
-kickbacks (I usually go up to 60 lately but can do more)
-single arm cable pressdown
-triceps extensions on the seated machine
As you can see I don’t do dips right now which sucks.[/quote]
How about…
-JM Presses in a HS incline machine:
EliteFTS.com - JM Press on Machine - YouTube (seat all the way down)
or Close-grip presses off the pins in a power rack… Pins set 4-5 inches above the chest or something like that? That keeps the shoulders out well enough if you retract the shoulder blades… And you can go fairly heavy…
(by close-grip, I mean whatever grip-width allows you to retract your shoulder blades, tuck your elbows some and doesn’t give your wrists trouble)
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]myself1992 wrote:
hey PX, I just got all four of my widom teeth extracted on thursday and was wondering how long it would take for me to be able to lift again. The procedure took 40 minutes and the doc said there was no tissue damage or anything. On thursday I have another appointment with him and he told me to not do anything until that day and that he’d tell me then when I could do stuff. I’m going to do everything as he says because he has seen me personally and he knows his shit but still, with your experience, about how long should one wait until one is able to lift again?[/quote]
Listen to your doctor. I’m not going to get in the way of someone else’s professional advice especially since he is actually looking at you and may be aware of conditions that I’m not.[/quote]
Alright, thanks anyways. I’d imagine he’d get pissed if I started listening to the internet more than him
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Got tired of piling on ~40 plates every leg day, huh? [/quote]
That is actually one of the reasons…plus my knee gives me problems so this helps me gauge how strong I can go that workout on the next exercise.
good song haha