[quote]tomkade wrote:
Hey X,
What are your thoughts on CT’s peri-nutrition regimen?
2 Alpha GPC 90 min before W
2 FINiBARs 40 min before W
2 scoops of SWF 30 min before W
2 scoops of Recovery 15 min before W
20 g of Casein Hydrolysate during W
Another 20 g of CH 60 min after W
Solid meal 90 min after W[/quote]
You should ask that question to Christian Thibaudeau.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
tomkade wrote:
Hey X,
What are your thoughts on CT’s peri-nutrition regimen?
2 Alpha GPC 90 min before W
2 FINiBARs 40 min before W
2 scoops of SWF 30 min before W
2 scoops of Recovery 15 min before W
20 g of Casein Hydrolysate during W
Another 20 g of CH 60 min after W
Solid meal 90 min after W
That there may be 3 people on this entire site with the development level, drive or discipline to even be worried about that to any significant degree.
[/quote]
Good post. And coming from someone that hopefully people will listen to.
Theres almost a reverse correlation on this site between amount of supps taken and body achieved.
[quote]MEYMZ wrote:
tomkade wrote:
Hey X,
What are your thoughts on CT’s peri-nutrition regimen?
2 Alpha GPC 90 min before W
2 FINiBARs 40 min before W
2 scoops of SWF 30 min before W
2 scoops of Recovery 15 min before W
20 g of Casein Hydrolysate during W
Another 20 g of CH 60 min after W
Solid meal 90 min after W
You should ask that question to Christian Thibaudeau.[/quote]
Why? i think its pretty obvious what CT’s opinion of CT’s supplement protocol is!!
[quote]stevo_ wrote:
MEYMZ wrote:
tomkade wrote:
Hey X,
What are your thoughts on CT’s peri-nutrition regimen?
2 Alpha GPC 90 min before W
2 Finibars 40 min before W
2 scoops of SWF 30 min before W
2 scoops of Recovery 15 min before W
20 g of Casein Hydrolysate during W
Another 20 g of CH 60 min after W
Solid meal 90 min after W
You should ask that question to Christian Thibaudeau.
Why? i think its pretty obvious what CT’s opinion of CT’s supplement protocol is!![/quote]
lol shit I didn’t read well, thanks.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
tomkade wrote:
Hey X,
What are your thoughts on CT’s peri-nutrition regimen?
2 Alpha GPC 90 min before W
2 FINiBARs 40 min before W
2 scoops of SWF 30 min before W
2 scoops of Recovery 15 min before W
20 g of Casein Hydrolysate during W
Another 20 g of CH 60 min after W
Solid meal 90 min after W
That there may be 3 people on this entire site with the development level, drive or discipline to even be worried about that to any significant degree.
The majority of the people on this site see “16” arms" as some distant goal. Why would someone like that need to be worried about this? Hell, most of the people even claiming development bigger than that aren’t really that muscular.
If this site were filled with people who had built above average physiques, who did NOT make claims of overtraining or being “hardgainers” all of the time, and who were at a stage of development where they were ready to take it to the next level close to competition, THEN I could see more people being concerned about how that much attention to supplements could affect their progress.
Unfortunately, they allowed this site to be taken over by people who actually seem to think big muscles make you look like a gorilla…so they should be avoided. [/quote]
Thanks X. What supplements if any do you recommend for the majority of the people that are not at the elite level yet?
[quote]tomkade wrote:
Professor X wrote:
tomkade wrote:
Hey X,
What are your thoughts on CT’s peri-nutrition regimen?
2 Alpha GPC 90 min before W
2 FINiBARs 40 min before W
2 scoops of SWF 30 min before W
2 scoops of Recovery 15 min before W
20 g of Casein Hydrolysate during W
Another 20 g of CH 60 min after W
Solid meal 90 min after W
That there may be 3 people on this entire site with the development level, drive or discipline to even be worried about that to any significant degree.
The majority of the people on this site see “16” arms" as some distant goal. Why would someone like that need to be worried about this? Hell, most of the people even claiming development bigger than that aren’t really that muscular.
If this site were filled with people who had built above average physiques, who did NOT make claims of overtraining or being “hardgainers” all of the time, and who were at a stage of development where they were ready to take it to the next level close to competition, THEN I could see more people being concerned about how that much attention to supplements could affect their progress.
Unfortunately, they allowed this site to be taken over by people who actually seem to think big muscles make you look like a gorilla…so they should be avoided.
Thanks X. What supplements if any do you recommend for the majority of the people that are not at the elite level yet?
[/quote]
Beginners:
Learn how to eat. Leave most of the supplements you think you need alone until you understand how to grow by simply lifting heavy shit and eating more. Nothing will help you if you can’t even get this down or gain an initial inch on your arms without a magic feather.
Beginner to Intermediate:
Protein supplements can become more important especially if you get beyond 200lbs in body weight. Getting as much as possible from food sources should be the goal but clearly the bigger you get, the more food you need so use food supplements as needed.
There is also nothing wrong with creatine, fish oils, peri-workout energy drinks or thermogenic supplements, however, hopefully by this stage you understand that YOU are what creates the results you see and not some specific supplement.
Intermediate: Yay, you are no longer a small fucker so no one cares if you experiment with whatever you think can help.
Advanced: These people don’t need to be told what they should focus on because they can make that judgment themselves. These people would also be most likely to make the most of some extreme attention to supplement use since they know their own bodies better than any of the other lifters and have reached a level of development where the difference would even be noticeable.
Hey X,
I have been skimming through this thread. Basically, your last post sums it up as far as the supplement stuff, IMO. I am looking at the questions being asked and the basic problem is it appears most of the guys on here have never really learned their bodies and how they react and that simply takes time. No major analysis, no breakthrough supplement, no amazing workout routine; just time.
There comes a point where you know what your body needs and when it needs it. Hell, the ONLY time I use supplements with any consistency is when I am dropping weight because protein powders make it easier for me to keep track of my calories and how much protein I am getting in.
Other than that a multi-vitamin, liver tabs (old school) and fish oil caps when I remember to buy any of these things is it.
As an aside, maybe you can see if someone can lock the thread to prevent these guys from worrying themselves to death with overanalysis. 
[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
Hey X,
I have been skimming through this thread. Basically, your last post sums it up as far as the supplement stuff, IMO. I am looking at the questions being asked and the basic problem is it appears most of the guys on here have never really learned their bodies and how they react and that simply takes time. No major analysis, no breakthrough supplement, no amazing workout routine; just time.
There comes a point where you know what your body needs and when it needs it. Hell, the ONLY time I use supplements with any consistency is when I am dropping weight because protein powders make it easier for me to keep track of my calories and how much protein I am getting in.
Other than that a multi-vitamin, liver tabs (old school) and fish oil caps when I remember to buy any of these things is it.
As an aside, maybe you can see if someone can lock the thread to prevent these guys from worrying themselves to death with overanalysis. [/quote]
Good post.
I agree with your comment on using supplements as a means to drop weight – I never understood the appeal of taking products such as BCAAs or any amino acid for that matter when you have a calorie surplus. Although, I do take whey protein, creatine mono, and fish oil consistently.
I second locking the thread!
[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
the basic problem is it appears most of the guys on here have never really learned their bodies and how they react and that simply takes time. No major analysis, no breakthrough supplement, no amazing workout routine; just time.
[/quote]
You’re right, but I think “time” is relative. I look at someone like Jeff Rodriguez, who only started training a few years ago, and he’s already a phenom. Of course, he has great genetics, but I don’t think that’s all.
He hasn’t had much time to get it right, but obviously he did get it right. There is no magic bullet, as you said, but I also think most folks are just missing good information. I believe Jeff had a competitive bodybuilder helping him right from the outset.
I believe that made all the difference in his case as to how quickly he was able to cut through the crap and make significant progress (naturally, apparently). In my own case, it definitely took time–decades, but only because I didn’t have the knowledge I needed earlier in life. I wish I could have tapped into that knowledge at age 19 or 20.
These forums are not the kind of knowledge I’m talking about, since so much of what is discussed here is unfiltered and unreliable. If you really want to progress in building an outstanding physique, find a guru. Of course, even then it will take some time, but you can spend less time if you get the right info up front.
Gee, Chi-Town, you sound like you might be a bodybuilder or something. LOL
[quote]davidcox1 wrote:
lewhitehurst wrote:
the basic problem is it appears most of the guys on here have never really learned their bodies and how they react and that simply takes time. No major analysis, no breakthrough supplement, no amazing workout routine; just time.
You’re right, but I think “time” is relative. I look at someone like Jeff Rodriguez, who only started training a few years ago, and he’s already a phenom. Of course, he has great genetics, but I don’t think that’s all. He hasn’t had much time to get it right, but obviously he did get it right.
There is no magic bullet, as you said, but I also think most folks are just missing good information. I believe Jeff had a competitive bodybuilder helping him right from the outset. I believe that made all the difference in his case as to how quickly he was able to cut through the crap and make significant progress (naturally, apparently).
In my own case, it definitely took time–decades, but only because I didn’t have the knowledge I needed earlier in life. I wish I could have tapped into that knowledge at age 19 or 20. These forums are not the kind of knowledge I’m talking about, since so much of what is discussed here is unfiltered and unreliable.
If you really want to progress in building an outstanding physique, find a guru. Of course, even then it will take some time, but you can spend less time if you get the right info up front.[/quote]
You’re right. Time is relative and it is easier, especially if you find someone who knows their stuff early on. I was doubly fortunate in that it was my Dad and the male members of my family since they took me under their wing and we all had basically the same genetic disposition, so there was a much greater chance that what worked for them worked for me.
There is also the fact that you have to learn to filter the info you get. But you don’t need to be a genius to notice that the vast majority of the guys on here who have physiques that are at a level or two above most tend to preach the same methodology and thought process: Keep it simple.
[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
davidcox1 wrote:
lewhitehurst wrote:
the basic problem is it appears most of the guys on here have never really learned their bodies and how they react and that simply takes time. No major analysis, no breakthrough supplement, no amazing workout routine; just time.
You’re right, but I think “time” is relative. I look at someone like Jeff Rodriguez, who only started training a few years ago, and he’s already a phenom. Of course, he has great genetics, but I don’t think that’s all.
He hasn’t had much time to get it right, but obviously he did get it right. There is no magic bullet, as you said, but I also think most folks are just missing good information. I believe Jeff had a competitive bodybuilder helping him right from the outset. I believe that made all the difference in his case as to how quickly he was able to cut through the crap and make significant progress (naturally, apparently).
In my own case, it definitely took time–decades, but only because I didn’t have the knowledge I needed earlier in life. I wish I could have tapped into that knowledge at age 19 or 20. These forums are not the kind of knowledge I’m talking about, since so much of what is discussed here is unfiltered and unreliable.
If you really want to progress in building an outstanding physique, find a guru. Of course, even then it will take some time, but you can spend less time if you get the right info up front.
You’re right. Time is relative and it is easier, especially if you find someone who knows their stuff early on. I was doubly fortunate in that it was my Dad and the male members of my family since they took me under their wing and we all had basically the same genetic disposition, so there was a much greater chance that what worked for them worked for me.
There is also the fact that you have to learn to filter the info you get. But you don’t need to be a genius to notice that the vast majority of the guys on here who have physiques that are at a level or two above most tend to preach the same methodology and thought process: Keep it simple.
[/quote]
Believe it or not, but it has taken about 9 years for them to finally start listening as far as that is concerned…and you STILL get undeveloped theory-hounds telling us we are doing it wrong.
Also, as far as learning your body and people who just started training like Jeff Rodriguez, the guys who will excel at this are not the type who flounder around for a decade before they learn how to make their biceps grow. There is innate athleticism involved here just like in any sport.
[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
Keep it simple.
[/quote]
That’s really it. “Keep it simple” is well-put. Basic lifts and basic nutrition–over and over and over again–that’s what takes time.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
There is innate athleticism involved here just like in any sport.[/quote]
Innate athleticism is right. Although I wouldn’t consider myself innately athletic (I’ve never played anything other than Little League baseball and golf), I am motivated and dedicated, and those things too are innate, and closely linked to athleticism.
[quote]davidcox1 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
There is innate athleticism involved here just like in any sport.
Innate athleticism is right. Although I wouldn’t consider myself innately athletic (I’ve never played anything other than Little League baseball and golf), I am motivated and dedicated, and those things too are innate, and closely linked to athleticism.[/quote]
…so is the mind muscle connection…or the ability to feel when you are giving it everything you have.
The problem most of these people have isn’t a lack of info but the inability to even understand what hard work is…something that just comes naturally to some of us.
I just got back from the gym training biceps and triceps. I literally got stared at while training and while I know some of that is just because of size, the rest is because none of them were putting as much into it.
I am out of breath and screaming inside from the lactic acid burn after my heaviest set and most of them just casually put the weights down and act like the set didn’t even affect them…then they wonder why they look the same year after year while blaming everything from supplements to changing their entire routine around when the problem was ALWAYS them.
[quote]Chi-Towns-Finest wrote:
lewhitehurst wrote:
Hey X,
I have been skimming through this thread. Basically, your last post sums it up as far as the supplement stuff, IMO. I am looking at the questions being asked and the basic problem is it appears most of the guys on here have never really learned their bodies and how they react and that simply takes time. No major analysis, no breakthrough supplement, no amazing workout routine; just time.
There comes a point where you know what your body needs and when it needs it. Hell, the ONLY time I use supplements with any consistency is when I am dropping weight because protein powders make it easier for me to keep track of my calories and how much protein I am getting in.
Other than that a multi-vitamin, liver tabs (old school) and fish oil caps when I remember to buy any of these things is it.
As an aside, maybe you can see if someone can lock the thread to prevent these guys from worrying themselves to death with overanalysis.
Good post.
I agree with your comment on using supplements as a means to drop weight – I never understood the appeal of taking products such as BCAAs or any amino acid for that matter when you have a calorie surplus. Although, I do take whey protein, creatine mono, and fish oil consistently.
I second locking the thread!
[/quote]
Just to clarify–because I’m currently using a BCAA supplement that’s somewhat pricey–you’re saying that someone in a caloric surplus is getting enough BCAA’s from their diet? If so, is it a supplement that should be used when cutting weight, or something that just isn’t necessary? Thanks very much.
[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
Hey X,
I have been skimming through this thread. Basically, your last post sums it up as far as the supplement stuff, IMO. I am looking at the questions being asked and the basic problem is it appears most of the guys on here have never really learned their bodies and how they react and that simply takes time. No major analysis, no breakthrough supplement, no amazing workout routine; just time.
There comes a point where you know what your body needs and when it needs it. Hell, the ONLY time I use supplements with any consistency is when I am dropping weight because protein powders make it easier for me to keep track of my calories and how much protein I am getting in.
Other than that a multi-vitamin, liver tabs (old school) and fish oil caps when I remember to buy any of these things is it.
As an aside, maybe you can see if someone can lock the thread to prevent these guys from worrying themselves to death with overanalysis. [/quote]
hell yeah, it takes years to get big man… think back to your highschool days, there were only a select few who were actualy big, and if you think now… they wernt even big !
[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
I am looking at the questions being asked and the basic problem is it appears most of the guys on here have never really learned their bodies and how they react and that simply takes time. No major analysis, no breakthrough supplement, no amazing workout routine; just time.
There comes a point where you know what your body needs and when it needs it. [/quote]
This is a good point. I pride myself on having good awareness and coordination of my body relative to the “average joe”. However, the nutritional aspect and how various foods and macros impact my body, is relatively new to me. I’m even finding out that I have certain structural issues (and I know I had some flexibility issues) that impacted my squat and deadlift performance.
Thanks for joining Lewhitehurst. Most of my time, I’m surrounded by out-of shape desk jockeys. I really appreciate having access to hear from people like you, Prof X and others on this site.
[quote]NigelJay wrote:
Chi-Towns-Finest wrote:
lewhitehurst wrote:
Hey X,
I have been skimming through this thread. Basically, your last post sums it up as far as the supplement stuff, IMO. I am looking at the questions being asked and the basic problem is it appears most of the guys on here have never really learned their bodies and how they react and that simply takes time. No major analysis, no breakthrough supplement, no amazing workout routine; just time.
There comes a point where you know what your body needs and when it needs it. Hell, the ONLY time I use supplements with any consistency is when I am dropping weight because protein powders make it easier for me to keep track of my calories and how much protein I am getting in.
Other than that a multi-vitamin, liver tabs (old school) and fish oil caps when I remember to buy any of these things is it.
As an aside, maybe you can see if someone can lock the thread to prevent these guys from worrying themselves to death with overanalysis.
Good post.
I agree with your comment on using supplements as a means to drop weight – I never understood the appeal of taking products such as BCAAs or any amino acid for that matter when you have a calorie surplus. Although, I do take whey protein, creatine mono, and fish oil consistently.
I second locking the thread!
Just to clarify–because I’m currently using a BCAA supplement that’s somewhat pricey–you’re saying that someone in a caloric surplus is getting enough BCAA’s from their diet? If so, is it a supplement that should be used when cutting weight, or something that just isn’t necessary? Thanks very much.[/quote]
I’m aware that many whey proteins now include BCAAs, ON’s gold standard comes to mind. Also, I’m not saying that you get BCAAs directly from your diet – Amino acids just are not that critcal when you’re getting enough protein and a proper balance of macronutrients. In my honest opinion, the only time I would spend money on amino acids is to maintain muscle while I am cutting weight.
[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
Gee, Chi-Town, you sound like you might be a bodybuilder or something. LOL
[/quote]
Good guess!