One place I was working was over run with oxy & heroin users. One particular dude that stands out dropped a 50 ton bottom section of a barge into the middle of the production floor. The only saving grace was that it was night shift, and nobody was on that part of the floor. Completely flattened 6 large industrial welding machines though.
Another guy caught fire while arc gouging and didn’t know why we tackled him and were smacking him with welding jackets.
When did I become the most draconian poster on TN?
Anyway, I would like to see people locked up briefly for what I think used to be called public drunkenness, but expanded to public wastedness of any sort. There are addicts and beggars all over the place in the nearest small city to me, which is where I work. They’re absolutely odious, and make me anxious once darkness comes early because I know I look like someone who’s carrying a laptop in my bag and $60 in my walled. I’d like to see a return of the “drunk tank,” which would make for a brief separation from the streets and the drugs. In my weird little fantasy, this would cause addicts to begin thinking that using is more stressful than quitting might be, because they keep having to DT in a cell at the local police station (not jail unless local). They’re released without further penalty.
People who can keep their shit together should be able to drink, snort, smoke or inject whatever they want. Not my problem to solve unless they come looking for someone like me, in which case I’m all in, or unless they make the streets look like we’re in the zombie apocalypse.
I don’t want to pay for Narcan so addicts can survive their choices. I want to pay for rehab so addicts can make better choices.
Food is a great analogy. Consenting adults can drink all the Red Bull and eat all the twinkies they want, however I don’t think food stamps should allow for those purchases. I’d like to see the WIC program, which requires that the user select healthy options, expanded.
Given what the government considers to be healthy, I feel like this could be just as much of a spiral.
My kid STILL gets to count ketchup as their vegetable in their school lunch…
But you also reminded me of another moral quandary of a similar issue. When someone is at the bar and has clearly had enough, many bartenders feel a moral obligation to “cut them off”.
When we’re at McDonalds and someone in excess of 400lbs in a motorized cart due to a missing foot as a result of diabetes, at what point does the employee have a moral obligation to cut them off?
It’s actually a legal obligation. The bartender and establishment can be found liable if there is an alcohol-related incident, even off premises, if they continue to serve obviously intoxicated individuals. Check out Dram Shop laws.
You can tell I’m a non-drinker here, haha.
Actually, it’s not a moral obligation - it’s a legal obligation. Bartenders can be charged for over-serving drunks, should something happen. I have friends who own a restaurant and had to deal with an investigation after a customer was in an accident after leaving their bar.
As for WIC, here’s an example…basically no CheezWiz or spray cheese type stuff. Cereal has added sugar limits, yogurt can’t have candy in it. And it’s US produced, so supports our farms. It’s an excellent program. It should replace food stamps. I was behind a woman over the weekend who bought a case of diet cokes, pizza bagels, and something else that wasn’t healthy (can’t remember). She had a 10yo or so kid with her. I don’t really WANT to buy 24 diet cokes for that lady with my tax dollars. I want that kid to have decent yogurt and cheese, you know? Like my kids did.
Types of Cheese
Pasteurized Processed American
Brick
Natural Cheddar
Colby
Monterey Jack
Mozzarella: part skim or whole
Muenster
Provolone
Swiss
Note: Blends of approved cheeses.
Requirements
- Must conform to FDA Standard of Identity at 21 CFR Part 133.
- Must be domestic cheese made from 100 percent pasteurized milk.
- Cheeses that are labeled low, free, reduced, less or light in sodium, fat or cholesterol are allowed.
Not Allowed
- Cheese foods or spreads.
- Imported cheeses.
WIC is not SNAP. It is very restrictive. You can’t buy Ketchup.
This will be a perpetual issue across topics unfortunately. Arguments can be made for and against. Sugar in ketchup is high for example, so a bodybuilding/fitness minded person will see it as unhealthy.
Lycopene is also concentrated, as are certain vitamins, so it could be considered healthy by many from a nutritional standpoint in a legitimate way as well.
Most people don’t chase single digit body fat numbers or adhere to an incredibly restrictive diet like carnivore. And for general health they don’t need to. Plenty of arguments could be made that each of those choices are unhealthy, with supporting data.
In any case, as it relates to the discussion at hand, ketchup shouldn’t be a banned substance because diabetics exist. And if a diabetic chooses to eat ketchup that’s his problem.
At least where I live there is Ketchup (good tasty stuff) and ketchup (sugary mess).
I just checked and ketchup my kids eat has 86% tomatoes, 2,3g fiber and 13g sugars per 100g (and you use like 20-30g per serving?).
Not that bad actually.
Agreed. To the overarching point, to each their own. Inform (nutrition label) and let individuals decide.
Now if someone starts throwing ketchup at people or whatever then punish them for that.
Or more accurately separate them.
Then their healthcare should not be subsidized. Same goes for drug users. That is the problem with this live and let live mindset. It only works because there are responsible people covering for the irresponsible asshats.
Agreed. But, if you will, imagine the catastrophe of an insurance company declining coverage because of….ketchup.
We already had a post on this website essentially celebrating Mangione.
It gets sticky but in principle I’d say you’re right, especially under socialized healthcare or the quasi private marketplace but forced participation Obamacare scenario the US experienced.
It’s a little grey in privatized circles. We all willingly buy in to a scenario. (As willing as can be considering necessity due to provider cost anyway, but I don’t want to kick that sleeping dog here).
I am not arguing that: I’m arguing it doesn’t count as a vegetable.
Hell, if nothing else: it’s a fruit.
I know. I was just tying the point back in.
Ah, since you quoted me, I assumed you were speaking directly to me and my point.
But it wouldn’t be because of ketchup. It would be because of their overall health. Ketchup isn’t the main issue if someone has diabetes.
They can buy ketchup once they no longer have diabetes, or they can pay for their own healthcare. They are also free to eat as much ketchup or whatever other junk they want, skip coverage, and face the consequences but not on the public’s dime.
People with preventable conditions like type 2 diabetes, obesity, or drug abuse would be ineligible for subsidized healthcare.
Exactly
The first couple times I was given Tramadol and other stuff whose name I cannot recall, to help me sleep and whatnot. After a week or so, when withdrawal symptoms would be gone, I’d be put on Antaxone (commercial name, I don’t temember the active substance’s name), in liquid capsules, which basically worked as an opiate blocker. My mother was easy to fool for a time, thought. First 3 days or so after the last dose, I wouldn’t feel anything if I did H. After that, it was on. The heroin turned bubble in the platinum foil would get it’s normal taste and I’d start back.
She got smarter after a while, and made sure I drank that shit one morning. I should’ve come clean, cause if you take Antaxone under the influence of opiates, you will ferl horrible withdrawal symptoms, and horrible they were. Jesus Christ.
I have also been given suboxone the other times. Then Antaxone again.
I have been to a Rehab Center where you’d have to be clean to be admitted. I was supposed to be there a full year but was expelled after a month for headbutting a guy. Still, learned a lot of coping mechanisms and NA helped a lot.
It took me a couple years before I started finding pleasure in the small things.
Something else to take notice is how sex drive comes back in full force after being dormant for a while. Being in my 20s, i didn’t always make the best decisions regarding some of those girls. Ideally you should stay away from party girls/ users, but now you’re fighting cravings from opioid AND pussy..
Regarding you mentioning “ripping the bandaid off” , no one really did that. We had (have) several free (yes I know it’s not free for the taxpayers) drug treatment facilities, you could be on some medication the same day, or Methadone the next day.
If you wanted to spend a week in a unit, under heavy sedation, that could take 2, 3, 4 weeks.
Oh, for sure. Awareness is key.
