I think it took me a couple months or so. One friend of mine used to have suboxone lying around ‘‘for a rainy day’’, in case he couldn’t get his fix.
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I really dont think this logic applies equally to hard drugs. Im not going to try heroin or meth just because theyre legal.
How do we deal with them now? Im actually asking, because it seems like we just ignore them.
Definitely not.
Im also not for that.
Remember why we’re discussing this in the first place, prison reform. If legal and regulated the supply side is no longer a criminal enterprise. Similar to pot, people eventually just buy it at stores. The day after prohibition ended, bootleggers were out of a job ( i know not immediately but you get my point). The addict is unfortunately a much harder to fix. Whether emotional damage, genetic predisposition, or human escapism its something that seems to always be with us. I think we all do it, but to different degrees and with different fixes.The demand will always be there and will likely continue to increase as the human species gets further from its natural position (a different topic altogether).
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Are you sure?
I hear heroin feels pretty good
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I came out of surgery once and got a shot of morphine. I remember thinking “I can see why people get hooked on this shit.”
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I really looked forward to my shot after some esophagus procedures.
So much so that I absolutely noticed that a nurse only gave me half the shot and pocketed the rest.
I ran into her years later and recognized her, then reminded her why I recognized her.
Really?
In Aus the exact dose is logged out by multiple nurses, and then the ampoule is checked by multiple nurses and a doctor… then the remaining morphine/fentanyl/whatever is checked and logged
It’d be VERY hard to do that here. Obviously rules differ by hospital and in private hospitals it’s probably easier to steal morphine
But my god… GOD forbid you were caught doing that here, you’d lose your nursing license for at least two years… you’d be sanctioned by Ahprah and even when your suspension is over you’ll never realistically find a job in that profession ever again
Same goes for anaesthetists who are found to have issues with substance abuse
Hell yeah!
I’ve met a bunch of nurses in recovery, and a good many MD’s.
There are systems in place to prevent drug theft for a reason, my man. And it ain’t because of the patients!
This was also 1992, before any of the automated double redundancy safety stuff was in place, so she just took the pre-measured syringe full of morphine, gave me half the shot, capped it and tucked it into her smock instead of into the sharps box for disposal. Easy peasy. Unfortunately by that time, I had been saturated with narcotics for so long I had some serious expectations that remained unmet.
Hell, I knew one nurse that worked in the nicu because they’re loose with the morphine there, and use a lot because babys cry alot. He’s dead now, but he was also known for getting caught with his hand in the sharps box.
The medical pros know how to party man. A few of them told me about some cocktails that would make your head spin. Literally.
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There are similar sanctions here. Rehab, suspension, etc. Until license is revoked.
Lol but surely you got a script for some meds? Some codeine or tramadol or whatever was prescribed in 1992… not as good as iv morphine, but even with IV morphine you get like 5mgs MAX.
Or in 1992 was post op pain management not a thing?
I know in the 1970s the pendulum had swung to an extreme following the “war on drugs” that led to the idea “one shot of morphine renders everyone an addict” similar to what’s happened now where they’ve gone so strict you have oncologists tapering dying patients for fear of prescribing too much (fucking INSANITY!)
The pendulum I believe swung back in the 80s before swinging back again aroind 2018
My mom has cancer, she had trouble getting a script and when she got a script they initially restricted her to 20 5mg oxycodone tablets at a time and I was like “HUH??? WHAT!”
My mother is a doctor… with no record of substance abuse…
Yeah, they were using a scope and some kind of tools to stretch out the scar tissue to prevent constriction, so I was scripted up pretty good. I don’t remember what, but it was plenty adequate.
It was totally a thing, hence the morphine. After the drug induced coma, I was on a morphine button for like a week. Just kept draining that machine and watching the helicopters take off and land. Then the script to go home with, etc.
I remember you telling me about that previously. Thats just cruel. I hope she recovers well.
Did you blackmail her for a bang???
Morphine is the only opiate that I’ve ever felt. Hydrocodone, tramadol, none of that stuff has any affect on me. I’ve always wondered about how heroin can feel so good that people do the stuff they do to use it. I think morphine gave me a hint.
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Nah. Time and Lil Debbie’s had not been very kind to her.
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You should get pharmacogenetic testing
For tramadol you could be a cyp2d6 poor metabolizer
Hydrocodone is the same. Poor metabolizers make up like 10% of the population. Codeine would probably also have little effect on you
Good to know in case you have surgery in the future and they give you hydrocodone and you take it only to think “ow… this shit doesn’t work” so you contact your doc and they respond “mmm… must be a drug addict asking for more” which is exactly what they’ll do in 2025
If you have it on record those meds don’t work due to your genetic makeup they will believe you though
I still don’t REALLY get it. I understand the physical dependence aspect as I’ve gone through withdrawl from different opiate. I could see how oxycodone could be addictive… that’s the only opiate I’ve taken and thought “oh I totally can see how this would ruin someone’s life!” But even then I can’t say I fully understand how or why someone who doesn’t have MASSIVE demons/issues in their personal life (think major trauma, abuse, neglect, what have you) would become hopelessly addicted….
It’s nice… but if your life doesn’t suck or you aren’t in a ton of pain all the time I can’t see why anyone would feel they need that in their life. It does stunt cognition terribly… it makes you queasy, it makes you itch…
Like that video I linked thst talks about how insidious heroin is
I think of morphine as just that (and have taken it in tablet form and via injection in hospital)… it’s nice… but nothing super great
It just makes me happy… but at the same time I get so nauseous I can’t possibly see myself getting hooked on anything that makes me feel that sick
Genuinely can’t eat on it. Not without lots of anti nausea meds.
I feel the same way about drugs in general. It doesn’t make sense to me. But we all have that human void we fill with something, so i guess i can see how a substance can fill it.
Paul Simon said it well, “Im empty and aching and i dont know why.”
We have rehabilitation places, methadone clinics, and therapists for those who want to go to them. We also allow many to just do as they please.
I believe there is much dysgenic breeding in the United States, particularly for pathological mental traits and stupidity because of what might be a sizable sexual selection for men with them, which seems to be on an upward trend.
Attempts at intellectual discussion about eugenics is usually halted by ad hominem and gaslighting mentions of National Socialism, early 20th century Nordicists and racial thinkers like Madison Grant, “like Hitler,” “playing God,” and, "who are you to say who should have children?”
I think the problem here:
Is that eugenics are typically brought up in a negative light, especially in context of race based IQ averages, impulsivity and violence - all leading to skewed crime percentages as it relates to this conversation.
Nobody wants to discuss the fact black American ancestors were selected and bred to be dumb and strong, which carries certain implications outside of antebellum plantation life.
So the idea is either ignored or dismissed, despite objective research confirmation of generalized traits.
Meanwhile, entire breeds of dogs with both physical and mental characteristic uniformity have been created from wolves, livestock animals are selected for breeding based on desired traits and on and on. It’s a very real thing, but creates an uncomfortable conversation topic.
Of course, ideals have to be defined for bad or good to exist, and to this end we see degradation of expectations against specific societal ideals as inclusion, which I think begins to touch more broadly on your dysgenic comment. This generation is certainly different in a way that it’s not just attitude, but ideals at odds. So their selections are dysgenic to the status quo for sure.
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Another issue comes from our lack of knowledge regarding genetics
It took habing a genetic disease for me to turn into a proponent for selective breeding. Joining support groups full of incredibly disabled mothers who in spite of their inability to financially, emotionally or physically provide for a child kept choosing to get pregnant (and getting pregnant comes with major risk for the mother) anyway… with the argument “a healthy child can wind up disabled or sick anyway”
Use logic… you are guaranteeing your child comes out to live a life of suffering, discomfort, isolation and exclusion from normal life… you can’t afford to pay for the many surgeries your child will inevitably need etc
My issue is… I’m very sure some of the mutations that lead to pathological mental illness when you clearly see it running rampant amongst entire families and I KNOW many of the mutations that lead to genetic illness are mono-genetic… meaning it’s encoded within a single gene
My preference is we isolate and edit out undesirable genes. There are ethical implications to consider e.g. would this be available to everyone or only those who can afford it?
I’ve gone as far as to say we should forcibly sterilize everyone who has the same condition I have but then I do get the Hitler comments… it REALLY angers me to see people like me reproducing. If I ever have children it’ll be through adoption or surrogacy though as my own health declines I don’t see myself having kids of my own because I don’t think I’d have the bandwidth to take care of them. I have some insight into this, I’m not going to try reproduce just because I can…
There is variation in presentation, like my mother who was successful financially as a medical professional but even her… if she had been a man selective pressure would have possibly ruined her
She was able to get by with never moving a muscle, never learning to ride a bike or playing sport and some men found it kind endearing she couldn’t perform certain physical tasks
As a guy I think she might have been subject to bullying but obviously I can’t prove that. I still don’t think she was fit to reproduce… after all it took her almost a decade, multiple IVF attempts and then it still almost killed her and I was born 3 months premature (up to month 6 I had very poor nutrient supply in utero)
I don’t know what to think about IVF. Great when it allows healthy adults to reproduce who otherwise couldn’t but it also allows people who shouldn’t reproduce due to genetic illness or whatever to play god
We simply do not know enough about genetics to identify a large number of monogenetic mutations that contribute to poor health of a child down the line
My preference is for us to invest a lot more money into identifying various biomarkers and genuinely breeding them out of the population while taking good care of the few who unfortunately fall through the cracks
Take families where 50-75% of them are plagued with mystery illness symptoms that are vague yet extremely life limiting… if you have an entire family where 50% of them has some iteration of this it’s probably genetic, it’s probably a connective tissue disease or inflammatory rheumatic condition that has yet to be identified… the idea would be to edit out the mutation causing this condition through selective breeding and failing at that that bloodline should cease to reproduce entirely
My opinion on this is very unpopular and tied to resentment over the fact my family continues to reproduce (many in great denial) and I don’t think they should
I see that the problem with eugenics is that to make it work (ie. to do it properly) would require so violent state control over reproducing, that it would interfere the ideas of democracy and basic human/civil rights so badly that people would never accept it.
Simpler way to say it: what if the state says to you or to your children that you did not pass the certain genetic tests to have offspring? (and what are the consequences if you do? Forced abort?)
I have also seen people who should not ever have had kids, but what can you do? I’ve seen a lot of politicians who should never got in to politics either.
So tge eugenics might work as a silly idea/thoughtplay, but the practical applications would be horrifying.