How did the 250 test, 50 primo and 50 deca summer protocol go?
@demonthrall I hope you lived?
still alive and kicking. Ive been back to 200 test only for a while now, and focus solely on rock climbing and further building on my home. I lost very little over a year so far
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Have been exploring a switch from Cypionate to Hikma Enanthate, based on feedback from members of this forum. Are you injecting the Hikma Enanthate once per week, and doing okay?
Did that protocol go well? Was the primo enough for E2 management? How were the gains?
Quick update to this thread. Ran 70mg/week of Primo with 140mg/week Test Cyp a while back (~1 year), daily injections for both.
After 5-6 weeks, E2 (sensitive) dropped to 10pg/mL (typically would be ~50pg/mL on 140mg/week Test Cyp solo), and lipids took a big hit; HDL dropped by 20 points and LDL went up significantly.
The Primo was HPLC blind tested (Jano) and 100% legit. Test Cyp was Pfizer, so no issues there.
Anabolism was definitely significantly better than on just 140mg/week Test Cyp but it wasnāt what I was after, and certainly not at the cost of crashing my E2 and HDL.
So for me at least, definitely not worth it.
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What was the goal here?
E2 control + more androgenism. Iām mostly after optimal brain chemistry; more drive, better executive function, better adrenaline control, more confidence, etcā¦
I find that pure DHT works a lot better, for me at least, in all of those respects. However Primo is definitely more anabolic than DHT, Masteron or Proviron.
Oh right on, aligns with my goals as well. Want more drive, energy and focus more than anabolism right now. Wellbutrin has been working 2-3 times per week. Mental energy & libido way up.
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Interesting, I actually got a script for Wellbutrin but never tried it. I wanted to try to figure things out hormonally before messing around with other meds, but maybe I should look into it.
I did have 5-6 weeks of extreme focus and productivity on scrotal cream + Pregnenolone + DHEA 6 months ago. Unfortunately wasnāt able to recreate that, I think partly because cream is very hard to dose consistently (without even getting into issues with compounding pharmacies making reliably consistent concentrations of the cream).
Trying to recreate this with Test Prop + Proviron + dhea/preg right now. I would use pure bioidentical DHT, but DHT raws have disappeared from the market at this point because of manufacturing issues in China, so in the meantime Iām using Proviron which is the closest thing to bio-DHT you can find.
I just started this protocol so itās too early to say whether itāll be successful but Iām pretty hopeful. I always felt better on shorter esters and I think DHT is a significant factor in drive/focus.
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I didnāt want to try it either, but Iāve been playing around with just TRT (and I take low dose Suboxone) and just couldnāt seem to get my energy and focus up, so I figured WTF and threw it in. I do EOD now, but itās only been a couple weeks. I also upped my Test dose to 375mg on my way to 480mg, so this isnāt exactly going to be a fair trial for the Wel. But I was itching to do a cycle before my next blood work comes up.
Iāve heard good and bad things from guys adding in DHTās with their TRT to get a more mental boost. I hope that works for you.
OUD or chronic pain?
OUD I guess now, but it started with an injury, then over-use of Vicodin and Soma, then over-use of Suboxone with previous doctor, now new doctor is working me off it.
Doctors still prescribe soma?
This guy did, but that was ā¦. 8 years ago.
You definitely shouldnt use Primo with that low Test. I would say at least 250 Test before 2:1 Primo would make sense (start considering Primo at whatever Test levels you would typically need AI, if you are one of those people who get the AI effect from Primo, which you definitely are)