I’ve been playing around with the idea of
500mg Test E or C
500 mg - EQ
25mg - Anadrol (first half of cycle)
750 mg - Primo (second half)
12.5 mg - Aromasin EOD
1 week off
HCG 500 IU EOD for 3 weeks
6 week 20/20/20/10/10/10 Nolva PCT
myea… what?
my thoughts:
shorter length of time (half the cycle), lower dose, with an AI should avoid it there
also would be 12 -14 week cycle
Isn’t adrol one of those drugs that has “mystery gyno” for some?
anadrol is a bloatdrug, and 25mg for a first time user will be simmilar to 50mg of dbol…
yea and its also full of other surprises thats why i was like WTF when he said he wants less side effects and no gyno risks, but plans on doing anadrol…
anadrol in my opinion is the drug with the MOST side effects possible…
Interesting. I didn’t get any side effects at all when I ran anadrol, just bloat. I also thought dbol was more anabolic than anadrol gram for gram. But I have not tried dbol yet so I’m just basing that claim off of what I’ve heard from my coach and some of the other guys I know. You think it’s the reverse?
Btw, I ran 50mg anadrol for 2 weeks and upped it to 100mg for the last 2 weeks of my 4 week cycle. Looking back, I probably should have run a smaller dose for a longer period of time.
(12-14 weeks, this was posted as I was typing my response)
dont want to run adrol tooo long and will be doing slight recomp towards end from what I’ve read primo helps during cutting/recomps
was going to do at same time. half the dose first 4 weeks to assess reaction then full for remainder
will try to answer these together… 1 week off HCG for 3 weeks to restart my boys then 6 week low dose Nolva 20mg/20/20/10/10/10mg. so technical 4 week between pct and cycle.
should i wait longer on HCG and run with nolva?
dosing above is weekly
Test EQ and HCG - EOD
Primo - twice a week
I mean I’m aware of what it CAN do but I’m hoping I can counter the affects is all. I see a lot of people doing 50+MG so i figured 25 is a good start?
well i havent had any side effects on any drugs at all, ever, at no matter what dosages… i just dont really give much advice based on me…
like, i was my leanest when i was on gram of test, with no AI, my e2 being exactly 10 times the normal range for 2 years straight, i had no gyno, no bloat, no nothing.
i think dbol is more anabolic, but anadrol has much more of a kick, thats why powerlifters use it pre-contest… much higher BP, much more strenght, much more liver toxicity… but i am not a scientist - i just say how i feel and what i think… on paper it could be the other way around… its just that in my country dbol is also considered a beginner drug, as most people start with 30mg a day for 2 months as a first cycle… most shit anyone get from it is acne.
Anadrol always made me feel like im am on some sort of EVIL dbol 
i think NO anadrol is a good start.
my opinion is that - if you have to ask what a drug does or doesnt on a forum, you probably shouldnt take it.
we can discuss our experiences or share our knowledge, but IF a person doesnt really know what he is taking, and we are talking about heavy artillery not a 500mg of test or some basic Var, i think it means you shouldnt take it.
I wouldn’t run anadrol at all if I were you since you’re worried about gyno. Just stick to primo.
EQ needs to be stopped long before the test. both Test E and C have a similar half-life and should be fully cleared from your system after 2-3 weeks at 500 mg/wk. EQ, or boldenone undecyclenate, has a MUCH longer half life of around 14 days. You really need to stop that 2-3 weeks before stopping test if you plan to cycle off, and in a 12-14 weeks cycle, you wont get much out of EQ. If you MUST run boldenone, look at bold cyp instead.
Start the HCG as soon as your cycle ends and run it for 2-3 weeks, then start your nolva and DROP the HCG when starting nolva.
EQ has such a long half-life, pinning EOD is WAY overkill. Pinning once per week should be more than sufficient. Also I would pin your test at the same frequency as your primo.
What does your cycle history look like?
If I was to set up your cycle it would look like this:
12-14 weeks
test c or E 500 mg/wk Pinned 2x/wk, E3D, or EOD based on your personal choice
last 6 weeks: 40-50 mg/day anavar
That’s it. If you insist on running primo I would do this:
12-14 weeks
test c or E 500 mg/wk Pinned 2x/wk, E3D, or EOD based on your personal choice
prmo E 500 mg/wk Pinned 2x/wk, E3D, or EOD based on your personal choice
last 6 weeks: 40-50 mg/day anavar
FYI, 1 gram of steroids per week is not considered a small amount
The setup you have in your first post looks convoluted and not well planned
he will do test, eq and primo at the second half of his cycle… 50:50 chance he gets 100mg eq and 100mg primo vials… pinning ED is the only way to put in that volume… i like frequent injections because i dont like doing more than 2CC in my legs, so i rather do one leg ED rather than both legs EOD or fking 3-4CC in a single shot.
I’m with you on that. I pin EOD when blasting, regardless of compound, but the longest compound I have used is test C. I just hate pinning tons of oil.
I have seen 500mg EQ though
that is either fake or will hurt like fuck…
most common is 100mg, and then 200mg… i cant imagine how can u draw something thats 2,5 times thicker than that… it probably sits there for a month.
Hell I’ve ever used it, I’m not that brave haha. I have also seen 300 and 400mg EQ too though
Pharma grade stuff of everything is not more that 250mg… there is a reason…
they also use lots of 50mg and 100mg stuff because they need that shit to absorb, not just lump up… everything over 250mg IMO is an experiment on humans by UGL i would never buy smth like that… also, shouldnt the price be twice as much? its not easy to sell imo, when people are used to 35eur for an EQ and someone asks 70eur now, even tho it has more stuff in it, those mg dense oils are harder to sell imo.
I’m not denying that or arguing with your logic as far as the pharma grade stuff.
As far as cost, UGL is going to be much less expensive because they do not have the overhead that pharma has. They do not have to worry about licensing, testing, bureaucracy, certifications etc.
I have never used a “high density” oil, except maybe test C 250, if you consider that high density. I did get some deca 300, but haven’t tried it out yet.
It could also be that higher density gear is much more prone to crashing and/or PIP, and a pharma company needs to be able to ship stuff around the world (the ambient air temp is -60F at airline cruising altitude, I am not saying all packages are subjected to that temp, but why not 0 degrees in an airplane hull?) and they want people to continue to use their drugs so of course they want to make it pain free also.
I am not arguing for or against higher density gear, simply offering another perspective.
My source has it at 400. I think EQ is a low PIP drug in general, and stable, so it is possible to get high concentrations.
for context: 29 5’6 187 15% goals: build mass and some strength while maintaining if not lowering BF%. no prior gear history but have been working out for 15 years more seriously the last 5 with an occasional hiatus. 315 bench 405 squat dont deadlift often enough to know max. have done a fair amount of research, as much as I obviously need to do more, but that was the whole point of this post. I am just trying to get the most out of each cycle as I am not sure if I am going to run a bunch of cycles or if ill even respond to where it’ll even be worth the potential side effects.
I’m about to start a 10 week Test C only cycle and have nolva on hand if needed, as well as for PCT. 400MG weekly 200 twice a week still waiting for it to get here.
if all goes well I really want to maximize my 2nd Cycle without fucking my system. I’m about to go in for bloodwork and waiting on DNA Test in mail. will get more blood work half way through cycle and pre and post PCT so I can get a good idea of what my baseline looks like. it’ll be 6 months minimum before id even start this and will probably adjust a few things before then… especially after this post!
appreciate the info on EQ. I’m not dead set on primo but I heard it has a good risk vs reward trade off and doesn’t effect lipids. also thinking of masteron… and as good as the results can be I dont like what I’ve been reading about anavars sides. I like my hair lol… i know a gram isnt a small amount but compared to some of the cycles I’ve seen I didn’t really think it was “too much”… I’m not claiming to be a rocket doctor or anything but I’m not taking anything lightly and am trying to do as much research as possible before taking the real plunge! and any help, tips, tricks, or loopholes are always welcome!!! and didn’t have time to elaborate initially.