Scratch everything I said! I missed the EOD part! Lmao! My apologies @trtguy23
Working too much these last few days with lack of sleep. This whole time I thought that was his weekly dose total.
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That makes sense I mean my OP itself is mentioning 100mg T + 60 of primo weekly. How are you experiences with AI compared to running T + primo?
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I got some Mast and may get some Primo, now I have to figure out its best to lower my T dose while adding those compounds for cruise or to keep it the same. Hearing about those possibly not only not increasing E2 but possibly lowering, in the case of lowering then It may be wise not to lower T dose.
Donāt lower your T dose. I know youāre not trying to cycle more like a TRT adjunct but even still keep it the same as long as your DHT compound is low. Some would say to even bump it a bit but I think youāll be fine.
Thanks dude thats what I was thinking too, in the sense if I need an AI say at 160mg then keep it there while adding mast. At least initially to see how i react.
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Are you still on that protocol using a small weekly dose of Primo?
No I am currently on TRT only 50mg every other day.
Thanks for replying. Out of curiosity why did you get off the Primo? Did you start not feeling as good, or other reasons?
Seemed like a dosage you could probably run āforeverā safely
No problem. And I was having a loss of appetite issue that I couldnāt figure out so I kicked that out and then I was better. I just havenāt added it back in to see if that was it. Other than that no real issues.
Thanks again, glad to hear you didnāt run into any serious issues. Iām about to give low dose Primo + TRT Test a try. Iāve been running 30mg/week of Mast on top of 100mg/week Test and for me it makes a significant difference, I donāt understand guys saying you need 200-300mg/week minimum to do anything.
To be fair iām using mostly for the anti-E properties and at that dose it does exactly what I need. But now Iām curious to try Primo and see how I feel on it. Basically looking for something I can run āforeverā to control E2.
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It will be anabolic at lower doses, but it will take a long time to notice. That is the issue with running it low on a blast, which is usually 3-4 months. It isnāt a long enough time frame to benefit from it if it is low dose. If you added 100 mg/wk to your TRT and did it for a year, I bet it would be noteworthy difference at the end.
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Makes sense from that standpoint and I donāt disagree with it. Iām just on it for the E2 control and plan to run a DHT derivative until a better solution is available, which might be literally decades away, and unfortunately Adex makes me feel horrible even on tiny dosages (Iām talking 0.125mg twice/week).
Iām gonna try Primo in a few weeks and if itās legit and I can fine tune it for E2 control, Iām probably gonna switch from Mast to it. Obviously there are no long term studies on this, but Iād feel pretty comfortable running 90mg/week Test + 30mg/week Primo pretty much forever.
100mg/week Mast on top of TRT Test however, not so much. You might get away with it, but long term I think youāre definitely taking a risk, especially as you get older.
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When adding 7.5mg anavar / day as well to the tst + primo combo. How would one change the dose then?
2 summers ago I cruised at 200/100 test primo. At trough, I was at 1017ng/dl and 29 for testosterone and e2, respectively. I did not measure cholesterol.
Last summer I did 200 test alone, and came back at 1030 and 56. Cholesterol was great.
I felt better on test alone. Libido was strong versus meh with the primo. Iād like to say I really didnāt notice much else between the two.
This sucks, because on paper I want to add 100 primo, lol.
This summer I will be doing 250 test, 50 primo and 50 deca. Interested to see how it affects libido, and wear/tear as I ramp running up towards 30-40mi per week.
Also curious to see cholesterols.
At this point in my life, I am sort of done with traditional blasting. I am now aiming towards doing more low cruise/ high cruise. 16-20 weeks high, 6-12 low.
My low will be 200 test only, my high will be whatever gives me good libido and doesnāt lower HDL below 50. I have blasted with mast and my HDL plummeted, but I am hopeful next summer that I can try 200-250/100 test/mast and get away with it.
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Will restart my TRT as well only with low dose Primo added to see how I feel. Iām probably the minority that doesnāt feel great on Test alone and will share my experience when time comes. Fixed some major issues that was a huge red-flags so we will see how it goes. In the meantime doing everything to get healthier each and every day. We all so unique and different and theres a lot of trial and error and pain in the ass involved trying to find that perfect protocol but I do believe at the end it will be definitely worth it.
Shout out to everyone going through ruff times. Hang in there. You are not alone. It will get better. We will make it!
Regards,
Bel
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Interesting I forgot about this thread. I maybe tried this for a week or 2 at most for each.
As things stand I switched to test enanthate, specifically the hikma brand, and am doing really good.
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Great news man. Correct me if im wrong but what worked for you was just going back to basics, 100mg test E per week, once a week shot?
As of now with this brand of enanthate I am doing higher around 140mg.
I donāt think there is anyone running 5 grams of test with no problems. There may be people running that today that show normal markers on common tests, sure.
Even if you control blood pressure and lipids look good, there is heart and endothelial damage that cannot be picked up with EKG, echo, as well as soft plaque that is not picked up by CAC scans.
Doing 5g of test today plants the seeds for myocardial fibrosis and changes in myocardial contractility tomorrow. Heart muscle cells cannot duplicate or divide!
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Got an update? Did you live?