Im sorry if I offended anyone (Brook), Bill has just been so nice to advise me about so much, and I wish to do the best for my and my body, and the knowledge here in Denmark is much different from what you are saying, so if is a matter of asking the question, Im choosing to do that…
Actually I didnt know Bill before he started answering my tread, so Im just starting to know how big Bill actually are, so its difficult to know if Im wasting he`s time…
I didn’t mean anything by it fella, just saying!
Fucking hell i cant do right for doing wrong these days - you’d think with such high T levels, guys around here would be a little less damn sensitive! lmao!
You aren’t wasting his time as i am pretty sure if he didn’t want to answer - he wouldn’t.
Don’t worry about it, if you are getting useful replies then just soak them up - and save the thread as a word doc too…! 
[quote] Brook wrote:
I can’t imagine how much BR would have charged for such information back when he coached clients![/quote]
Actually I only ever charged a small number of people, and that only because another party asked me beforehand if I’d accept $300/hour for consultations, to which I said sure, and so the ones that they set up, I did. I would have done them for free had they contacted me by another route.
I’ve just never liked charging people for help that doesn’t take a great deal of my time.
On the new questions: I simply hadn’t seen them as I had a number of things going on.
Really there is no need to change the PCT plan: on the dosing, I’d just make it equal but there really is no great difference between the two plans you suggested. Either would work fine.
lol! That’s funny - yea, i guess like most i also just assumed you did consultancy work or whatever.
When I was with Meso I did a whole lot, but didn’t charge anyone that contacted me that way. Or anyone in person.
Thanks again Bill 
I imaging that you are a wary busy man, so I understand, wish you the best
Maybe I took it a little overboard Brook, had a bad day at work, gat home, ended in discussion with the girlfriend, and then I read you post, so I was just in the zone…
So I think I would have reacted different any other day
No bad feelings
Hello,
Bill I hope you see this, or ells I welcome anybody ells to help me…
But now Im 10 weeks out on this primo, and raising it from 500 mg. a week to 600 mg., and extending the cycle to 11 or 12 weeks... The 400 mg. I started on didnt do much, but the ekstra 100 I feel good by strenth and rep. gain. So now I`m looking forward to see if I feel the next 100 mg. much to…
But my actully question is regarding the HCG I run on the side, I remember reading somewhere that when on HCG for long cycle, you have to pause it, so my question is, can I safely run HCG for 11 weeks straight, and then stop it with last shot of primo, and then go the 5 days and start nolva.? Or shut I stop the HCG some time before, to rest the balls? I`m interested in the best recovery to normal production…
Yes, stopping a week short is good enough.
There isn’t a question of the testes becoming tired because of the HCG, at least not at these low doses (at higher doses there could be issues of declining sensitivity to LH.)
The reason for dropping the HCG a week early is so that testosterone production stimulated from the HCG won’t interfere with recovery of LHRH and LH production from the hypothalamus and pituitary.
Thanks Bill,
I stop the HCG a week before the Primo then, or did you mean stopping it with the last shoot Primo,and then wait a week to start nolva?
The Nolva I follow the old path, start 5 days after last shot Primo, and then 20 mg. for 4 weeks right?
A week before starting the Nolvadex.
Okay
So I stop Primo and HCG at the same time, wait 7 days and then start nolva…
Going 4 weeks at 20 mg. on that…
Correct?
That would work.
But the more common and I think better thing is to frontload the Nolvadex, as otherwise levels build up slowly. One way is to take about 8 doses on the first day (this could be doses of 40 mg four times); the other way is to take 40 mg per day for some period of time. I once calculated how many days of that were necessary to reach the steady-state commensurate with 20 mg/day use, and found it a pretty short duration though I forget what. Maybe just 6 days and I am sure it wasn’t more than 7. Most using that general method use the higher dose for longer than that however.
So you suggest 160 mg. the 1. day, and then 20 mg. the following 27 days or what?
Or 40 mg. the first 7 days, and then 20 mg. the next 21 days?
I know the classis model thats used in Denmark: 2 weeks at 40 mg. 2 weeks at 20 mg. But when we started to talk you didnt mean that this was needed, but the cycle was also shorter that time, so maybe that is why
I’ve always prescribed the full-frontload-on-day-1 approach, but the other approach also works.
It probably is not actually “needed” on this cycle, but can’t hurt and may well help.
Thanks
Better safe then sorry
Hi Bill,
I did the 40 mg. 4 times the first day (Nolva), and then the plan was 20 mg. a day for rest of 28 days…
But I have just found out that I have taking 40 mg. day 2 and 3. before I noticed that I only have to take 1 20 mg. a day (made a habit of to tablets a time, so did that only one time pr. day, put that is to much) Does this have a bad result? Shut I do anything know, jump a day or something, or shut I just do 20 mg. a day for the rest of the cycle?
Do you think low dose HCG ( ie 200 ui E3D) with nolva / clomid/ or adex during a straight primo cycle or eq would maintain natural test levels?
Yes, on the Primo cycle. But I would rather it be say 200 IU every day. HCG is not expensive so why not get a very good effect instead of just adequate?
Also, in at least some cases moderate Primo use (400 mg/week has been known to work) maintains normal T levels without EQ. With a high enough dose though that would not be the case.
On the EQ cycle, estrogen levels are in the normal range anyway.
And btw, LightRider, I’m sorry to have missed ever seeing your last question.
Its okay, i think you are a busy man, by the way, the cycle whent well, and I`m function normally, so allround a good experience
Glad to hear it!