Hi,
Are there anybody that can answer my last 2 post, if you are there Bill and have the time I would happily listen to your words 
I took the weekend off and missed seeing your post the first couple of days of the week.
I have used a month as my figure for refrigerated reconstituted HCG. I don’t know for a fact that it may not last longer. The package insert on the brand I use gives no information. Your rate of use would be 40 days.
Personally I’d rather draw half into a syringe and freeze it, while keeping the other half in the refrigerator for ongoing use. But most would just allow the 40 days and that may be perfectly fine (I have no evidence that it isn’t.)
It’s fine for the unreconstituted HCG to spend some time at room temperature. The expiration date being 2 years after manufacturing date under the refrigerated conditions specified, even a few weeks at room temperature should be fine.
On figuring when to start PCT: I just consider the half-life and figure it to be useless to start PCT prior to levels dropping to being commensurate with ongoing 200 mg/week use (if speaking of testosterone) and worth starting after that point.
In the case of Primobolan, I think there is probably only partial suppression at doses such as you are using, so there is no need to wait for levels to fall. The main reason to think this is that the side effects that arise from abnormally low estrogen do not occur in such Primobolan cycles, which means that there must still be significant, albeit reduced, testosterone production.
Thank you Bill
I hope you had a nice weekend…
I would like to say a BIG thank you for taking the time to answer all my questions, you have help`t me allot…
I assume that you are the Bill Roberts that have ridden allot of article, and I`m felling myself wary lucky that you would take the time and help a beginner…
Yes, the same. Glad to be of help!
When can I expect to feel the Primo?
4 weeks or what?
Don`t it go faster with the frontload?
There won’t necessarily be an effect of feeling different.
But with the frontload, I would think you’d see some added weight – which wouldn’t be added muscle but rather from increased storage of glycogen in muscle, which also causes the muscle to be more hydrated – within days.
Not on the basis of specifically experiencing that with Primobolan at 400 mg/week or having that reported, but on general principle that even modest doses of androgen usually gives such a gain fairly promptly.
I suppose it’s possible not though: high dose oxandrolone did not give me that effect, so it could be that moderate dose Primobolan doesn’t either. I don’t know.
Rate of actual muscle growth would be slow enough that unless training is quite different than you’re used to and much better, it could well be three weeks before it’s clear you’ve put something on.
I have switch from low carb diet, to bulk when startet on the primo, so Im gaining weight all ready, but I think thats just the extra food, but dont know if its a fact.
Put I don`t fell any streanth gain at all, actually I fell a bit weaker than yousuall, put maybe the sick thing that I felt in the start off the cycle, get my to loose some muscle, I thing it was natural flu or something, because my girl freind allso had a couble of off days…
I can’t prove it, but my personal guess is that with those who find that suddenly they are lifting 10% or 15% more weight within days of starting a steroid cycle, the real story is that they were chronically slacking and underperfoming in their lifts. Perhaps without even being aware of it.
Then on believing that now they “should” be so much stronger, whaddya know, they start doing what they had been able to do, but were just too sorry to do, for quite some time already.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
I can’t prove it, but my personal guess is that with those who find that suddenly they are lifting 10% or 15% more weight within days of starting a steroid cycle, the real story is that they were chronically slacking and underperfoming in their lifts. Perhaps without even being aware of it.
Then on believing that now they “should” be so much stronger, whaddya know, they start doing what they had been able to do, but were just too sorry to do, for quite some time already.[/quote]
Lol, good, accurate, and often overlooked point Bill…
Good luck to the OP here on this. I’ve been having a swell time on Vitamin P for a while now. Brook and co. have been steering you right dude. I personally doubt you will find a hell of a lot to write home to momma about if you’re at 400/wk or under with this compound. It’s a beauty but the gains are slow and steady, not mindblowing to any degree. And this is with a high dose, not 400/wk. The 1200mg/week dose is outstanding, and from 800/wk up, you’ll get some noteworthy gains in strength, lbm, and some appreciable fat loss help.
The nice thing is that you don’t need any AI, and sides are nil pretty much. Otherwise one gets much more bang for the buck out of any of several other compounds. They just require slight adjustments with AI’s etc in the mix.
Anyway, good luck with it.
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Nice point Bill, the brain is a difficult tool
My nippels are sore,I`m afraid of gyno from the hcg, but I know you told my that there is no problem there…
Friday I went for tanning, and saturday I whent running (not uset to that), and some time after that my nippels whent sore, can it be form tanning and friction from the t-shirt under the run?
It`s only the nippel part that sore, not the stuff behind…
I uset the hcg mixing plan as I wrote about, and my math get it to 250iu in every shot…
Do men have anything behind the nippel than fat and muscle?
The soreness is getting smaller every day… but still there…
The combination of shirt-rubbing plus fear of gyno often leads to the nipples seeming unnaturally sore. I call it “psychological gyno.” It has struck many
Thank you Bill, I continue to wait it off then
Are you in favor off doing cardio for health of the hart when on cycle, I wrote anti doping Denmark for a year ago, and they said that some of the negative sides from roid`s could be countered by doing cardio…
What is your opinion?
No difference between doing it on-cycle and off-cycle. If you like it, fine… if not, then no particular reason now.
Hi Bill,
Now I have received to vial`s more of primo, so I now have 20 ml. extra, what will you advice my to do?
Im thinking of bumping up the dose, and do a longer cycle, but how high shut I go when its a starter cycle?
An another question, my new primo is a bit more yellow in the color of the liquid than the old ones, I can see on the date that they are new´er than the other, so is this normal, or a bad sign?
There isn’t a concern of using “too much,” in the case of Primobolan and the amount you have, regardless of being a first cycle. I’d just use what you have equally over the remainder of the cycle.
As to the differing color, Diamond is not a pharmaceutical manufacturer, so who knows, really. I don’t know if Primobolan is itself colored (though I hadn’t thought so) or whether all color is attributable to the oil. Differing vegetable oils can vary in color, so it could be nothing more than a difference in the oil. But I really don’t know what is the case with your specific vials.
Bill, I gat about 28 ml. now, and starting on week 5 tommorow,I`m thinking of doing:
week:
5 - 500 mg.
6 - 500
7 - 600
8 - 600
9 - 600
Is it a good plan? (though I fell like theres only 9ml. in every vial, think its dead space in the syrringe there fool me) So don`t know if there is 6 ml left to last week…
Do anything of this effect the PCT plan we have?
Could also do something like:
Week:
5 - 600 mg
6 - 600 mg
7 - 600 mg
8 - 600 mg.
And then shoot what`s left in week 9… is this better?
The fact that I shoot more than we startet planing, dos it effect the PCT timing we talk`t about?
I can’t imagine how much BR would have charged for such information back when he coached clients!