“Locked up” is kind of a broad term. If you were a little more specific about the location and nature of the pain, I might be able to help you out.
To be honest, though, I can’t say that I’ve seen this before. People with classic external impingement will often get discomfort with the back squat/good morning grip, though.
[quote]bigpump23 wrote:
EC, not sure if this is too general but, whenever I do good mornings(spread my arms out over the back of the bar) my right shoulder kind of freezes so too speak and locks. Any thoughts or input into what this could be? Could it just be the positioning of it? really doesn’t bother me after the fact except one time where it bothered me a day after[/quote]
I’ve decided I’m going to try to play D1 basketball. To give you a little information to work with, I’m 5’11", 180-185 lbs. I can touch a 10 ft. rim standing vertical, can grab easy running. I squat 350-365 max and bench about 250. I’m pretty quick and have recently bulked up and increase my vertical through heavy squats.
If I were an athlete training under you, what would you put me through to get to that next level? I was lightly recruited at the D2 level as a senior but had a nagging injury with my elbow, that has since went away. I’m a PG/SG but would have to be a point in D1. Does that mean lots of agility and quickness work?
I have an issue in which I do not fully extend my R elbow on lockout. It was just pointed out to me by my coach when doing some jerks. As I haven’t had many injuries there (other than the usual hyperextensions any BJJ practicioner is wont to get), I’m wondering what I should do so I don’t get red lighted at my first O-lift comp.
Oh yeah, I’m not sure if you have ever mentioned this before, but what type of lower extremity pathologies (mostly ankle or knee) have you personally seen in your very tall basketball population?
Are there any that are normally benign but come forward when starting a resistance exercise program (that you have personally seen)?
You may need agility work specifically, but you might not!
I’d run you through a few different tests to determine where your reactive ability stands relative to your maximal strength, and we’d do some performance and postural assessments to see what we could do to make you move more efficiently.
At the 1 position, height isn’t as huge an issue unless you’re up against teams with point guards that can post you up. You don’t see many PGs over 6-3, though, so you could hold your own, especially in a small conference setting.
Drop me an email if there is anything I can do to help.
[quote]Msogard wrote:
EC,
I’ve decided I’m going to try to play D1 basketball. To give you a little information to work with, I’m 5’11", 180-185 lbs. I can touch a 10 ft. rim standing vertical, can grab easy running. I squat 350-365 max and bench about 250. I’m pretty quick and have recently bulked up and increase my vertical through heavy squats.
If I were an athlete training under you, what would you put me through to get to that next level? I was lightly recruited at the D2 level as a senior but had a nagging injury with my elbow, that has since went away. I’m a PG/SG but would have to be a point in D1. Does that mean lots of agility and quickness work?
Try getting it worked on by an experienced ART guy; chances are that he’ll find a ball of adhesions restricting your ROM.
[quote]the MaxX wrote:
Hey EC,
I have an issue in which I do not fully extend my R elbow on lockout. It was just pointed out to me by my coach when doing some jerks. As I haven’t had many injuries there (other than the usual hyperextensions any BJJ practicioner is wont to get), I’m wondering what I should do so I don’t get red lighted at my first O-lift comp.
If you need any more info, please lemme know.[/quote]
Actually, the resistance training program is usually what fixes all their problems! They’re more prone to the classic postural abnormalities, so we see overpronation at the foot and all the potential consequences of that from the plantar fascia all the way up to the lumbar spine. Back spasms are really common in these guys if they don’t take care of themselves (read: just want to play year-round). You just can’t run your big men like you run your guards.
There are a lot of ankle sprains in basketball in general, but they’re minimized with high-top sneakers and ankle-taping. We don’t do any unstable surface training with our athletes; the only ones that get it are those with a recent history of lower extremity injury (they do it in rehab).
[quote]the MaxX wrote:
Oh yeah, I’m not sure if you have ever mentioned this before, but what type of lower extremity pathologies (mostly ankle or knee) have you personally seen in your very tall basketball population?
Are there any that are normally benign but come forward when starting a resistance exercise program (that you have personally seen)?
Any quick tests to determine whether I need maximal strength training or reactive? Maybe I should just play in as many games with the best competition I can find, and work with weights less?
An easy test is to just compare the height on your regular countermovement vertical jump with a bounce drop jump from a 12" box.
As for playing, the only way to make that determination is to find out how much you’re playing now. Most basketball players nowadays are on the court TOO much. That may or may not be the case with you.
[quote]Msogard wrote:
Any quick tests to determine whether I need maximal strength training or reactive? Maybe I should just play in as many games with the best competition I can find, and work with weights less?[/quote]
[quote]Eric Cressey wrote:
Try getting it worked on by an experienced ART guy; chances are that he’ll find a ball of adhesions restricting your ROM.
the MaxX wrote:
Hey EC,
I have an issue in which I do not fully extend my R elbow on lockout. It was just pointed out to me by my coach when doing some jerks. As I haven’t had many injuries there (other than the usual hyperextensions any BJJ practicioner is wont to get), I’m wondering what I should do so I don’t get red lighted at my first O-lift comp.
If you need any more info, please lemme know.
[/quote]
Thanks for the reply. What do you think it might be, though (off the top of your head)? I ask this because the nearest ART guy is VERY far away.
Oh yes, in response to my other question relating to the taller populations, are there any exercises you have seen as a whole that many very tall players cannot handle? I’m not talking so much due to postural issue and their resultant muscular issues, but just things that a healthy population of very tall athletes can’t seem to do well or have had trouble with as a whole.
I’m wondering if you could give me any information about your volleyball player turned rugby player.
I appreciate you cannot give much training information, but I’m wondering how he is responding to your training and what position he is playing.
I am an 18 year old rugby player looking for any extra tips I can gather in the hope of wearing my countries badge.
It seems you just increased his maximal strength and added muscle mass.
EC,
I feel like i have pretty good form for my DL but I cannot seem to be consistent on 2 things:
shoulders behind bar at start
drive through heels
my shoulder start slightly in front of the bar at the start (but my butt is down) and when i pull it feels like i am driving through the floor evenly on my feet. everytime i try to pull the shoulders behind the bar and drive through the heels i cannot move nearly the weight i can using my current form. what do you think the issue could be? i dont mind the skinless shins either.
[quote]the MaxX wrote:
Thanks for the reply. What do you think it might be, though (off the top of your head)? I ask this because the nearest ART guy is VERY far away.[/quote]
I can almost guarantee that it has to do with a previous hyperextension injury. One would think that such an injury would lead to chronic hyperextension due to laxity, but the opposite is actually the case. Extension range of motion is limited due to the formation of scar tissue.
Another possibility that come to mind is a radial head fracture, but you would have known if that had taken place.
Well, deadlifts from the floor are tough in those around 6-9 and above. The same goes for deep squats. You just need to remember that they’re going through a much longer ROM than their shorter counterparts.
The ability to effectively make use of the stretch-shortening cycle. Basically, it refers to how well you can store kinetic energy with a fast eccentric and then utilize that energy (think elastic/rebound) for a more powerful subsequent concentric action (it also encompasses how well you shorten the amortization/isometric portion of the movement).
[quote]StrikeT wrote:
What do you mean by reactive ability?[/quote]
He’s a back, so he’s not a rugby player in the truest/most stereotypical sense of the word. Suffice it to say that the extra size did him well in spite of the fact that he’s more of a sprinter than a contact guy, though.
[quote]Springcoil wrote:
I’m wondering if you could give me any information about your volleyball player turned rugby player.
I appreciate you cannot give much training information, but I’m wondering how he is responding to your training and what position he is playing.
I am an 18 year old rugby player looking for any extra tips I can gather in the hope of wearing my countries badge.[/quote]
That’s a big part of it. However, I think that WHERE we increased that maximal strength was even more important. His posterior chain was really lagging, and we did a lot to improve his frontal-plane stability with lots of single-leg work. In improving these qualities, he essentially changed the way he runs without doing any running. Just recently, when he started up more sport-specific metabolic conditioning, he couldn’t believe how much different it felt when he rans. It was like he was gliding down the field instead of bouncing.
The heel drive is important, but I’m not sold on the importance of keeping the shoulders behind the bar - especially for smaller lifters. Personally, my shoulders are directly over the bar. As a lightweight, I don’t have a ton of body weight working in my favor to make a lean effective. Rather, it helps me to start a little forward and use some momentum to generate starting strength.
If I was you, I would be more concerned about the weight being too far forward. Try starting the bar closer to your shins and strengthen the glutes and hamstrings - no specific lower back work needed.
As long as you aren’t rounding over, I wouldn’t tinker with too much.
[quote]trailer36 wrote:
EC,
I feel like i have pretty good form for my DL but I cannot seem to be consistent on 2 things:
shoulders behind bar at start
drive through heels
my shoulder start slightly in front of the bar at the start (but my butt is down) and when i pull it feels like i am driving through the floor evenly on my feet. everytime i try to pull the shoulders behind the bar and drive through the heels i cannot move nearly the weight i can using my current form. what do you think the issue could be? i dont mind the skinless shins either.[/quote]
