Alright, let’s get some cool discussion going about supplements and nutrition!
Dr. Barr,
Are you familiar with Sesamin? If so, what are your thoughts on supplementation with it?
Also, I’m currently using Surge as follows: 1/2 serving pre workout; 1/2 serving post workout with creatine; 1 serving one hour later; one serving the following morning. Would you make any changes to this?
Thanks for your help.
How comparable is pseudoephedrine to ephedrine?
Both are still available in Canada, though dose sizes for ephedrine are very very small these days.
Stern, Sesamin makes me uneasy because it is thought to reduce inflammation by screwing up prostaglandin synthesis (kinda like aspirin). This sounds like a good thing, but we actually need one of the prostaglandins for muscle growth! Fortunately, from what I’ve seen, some inflammatory mediators are suppressed, while the anabolic series (the ones we want) are left intact. This stuff has potential…
TBC
Dave,
Welcome to the party! Hope you don’t mind we started without you.
I’m glad they let you out of your cage for a while.
Dave,
Give us the scoop: You’re really hooked on NO2 as a supplement, aren’t ya?
Stay strong
MR
People talk about slow and fast metabolism to explain a predisposition to be lean or not. Does rate of metabolism really vary that much? Is it really that simple?
Stern part II
You’re having early morning Surge?! That’s great!
Studies form our lab show that digestion/absorption of amino acids is incomplete when consumed before exercise. While this sounds like a bad thing, it actually provides another boost in blood amino acid levels right after the workout, almost like you took another drink (when in fact, only the pre workout drink was consumed). This likely accounts for the 2x greater protein synthesis when compared to post workout. Post workout drinks it seem, suffer from a similar digestion/absorption problem. From this, I’d make the pre-workout drink a full serving, or 1/2 before and 1/2 during. Then maintain your blood sugar post workout until your next serving of Surge, which would be 30-45min post workout.
Regardless, you’re on the right track! Hope this helps!
[quote]David Barr wrote:
Alright, let’s get some cool discussion going about supplements and nutrition![/quote]
Whats supplements do you use (ie. favorites)? Do you usually take the suggested dose or are you more likely to exceed those numbers?
Okay, here it is, Dave. I don’t know where you stand on Dessicated liver but I’ve got to admit that the brands I’ve used from Beverly and from Jay Robb have really increased my endurance. I was able to bust my rest periods in half with the same loads inside of two weeks. Vince Gironda and alot of old school guys loved the stuff.
Beverly says that of all their stuff, they’d suggest their DL if you could afford only one supplement. Everybody laughs because it’s so old school, but this stuff seriously increased the density of my training and I feel well recovered without the lactic acid burn in my legs the next day… Your thoughts…
DH
Vroom, ephedrine all the way! No question. There’s just too much research on this drug to start messing around with pseudoephedrine (they are structurally very similar however).
Cheers
Well, Dave, what is it? 1g/lb of bodyweight or more for max mass? CT uses 1.3-1.5. Your thoughts on the JB and Phillips debate?
DH
Bino, metabolism does in fact vary quite a bit, whether it’s at rest or in response to exercise, food, drugs etc. What’s more, it also varies in different tissues of the body! It’s definitely anything but simple. LOL
While most people can’t use their natural metabolic rate as an excuse forever, it is certainly an additional hurdle to overcome.
BTW-Love your avatar.
Cheers
[quote]bino wrote:
People talk about slow and fast metabolism to explain a predisposition to be lean or not. Does rate of metabolism really vary that much? Is it really that simple? [/quote]
Ah, Big Dave - glad you’re here!
Hey dude, I’ve got a question that mandates a nutritional guru such as yourself. Here’s a question I frequently get asked that I don’t know the answer to:
Let’s say Trainee X is following a sound diet. Let’s say this same trainee totally annilihates his diet with a horrific meal (imagine all of the worst foods combined into one meal). How long does this trainee have to “burn off” these extra calories? In other words, my clients are diligent but - like all of us - sometimes get a little carried away with dinner events. They often ask if they can come home and perform 60 minutes of cardio; or if they can wait until the next morning (12-16 hours later) to burn off those extra indulgences.
Bottom line: how long do excess calories “float around” after a meal before lipolytic factors all but sabotage their efforts?
Dave,
I just got 2 bottles of Carbolin 19 a couple days ago.
I’ve started with one 2x day.
My question is , how long have you been taking it, and what dosage 1 or 2 twice a day?
Any feed back?
RoadWarrior, right now I’m coming back after a long, school/hell-induced, layoff, so I’m all about the anabolism. I’m using protein shakes with sucrose for half of my meals (my appetite sucks, always has).
Also using fish oil (7g), as always, 2 caps Methoxy-7 4x/day, and 2 caps Carbolin 19/day.
I have pre/post workout Surge (post with creatine and 200mg lipoic acid), and a morning Surge the day after a workout. Finally, I’m easing back into the antioxidants, but have yet to take them regularly outside of my daily multi.
I may be missing something… lol
Cheers
[quote]RoadWarrior wrote:
Whats supplements do you use (ie. favorites)? Do you usually take the suggested dose or are you more likely to exceed those numbers?
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DHoss, dude, if you feel that huge of an effect from DL then keep using it! It should be cheap enough to do so without sacrificing other supplements/food.
BTW-I’m not a huge fan, but again, with your results, who cares?
Cheers
I have a question (well actually a few but I’ll start with one):
- Lets say one wanted to the Velocity Diet for short bursts of fat loss. Will this idea work or how long does it take for actual lipolysis of fat cells to start? Will the body rely on initial glycogen stores in the absense of carbohydrates (liver, muscle tissue, etc)?
If that was the case one would have to guess the first 2000 or 3000kcals of deficit would come from body stores depending on the person. So theoretically how long would it take before actual fat loss begins?
[quote]Chad Waterbury wrote:
Ah, Big Dave - glad you’re here!
Hey dude, I’ve got a question that mandates a nutritional guru such as yourself. Here’s a question I frequently get asked that I don’t know the answer to:
Let’s say Trainee X is following a sound diet. Let’s say this same trainee totally annilihates his diet with a horrific meal (imagine all of the worst foods combined into one meal). How long does this trainee have to “burn off” these extra calories? In other words, my clients are diligent but - like all of us - sometimes get a little carried away with dinner events. They often ask if they can come home and perform 60 minutes of cardio; or if they can wait until the next morning (12-16 hours later) to burn off those extra indulgences.
Bottom line: how long do excess calories “float around” after a meal before lipolytic factors all but sabotage their efforts? [/quote]
Oops, I meant “lipogenesis” not “lypolytic”. See, I’m no nutritional guru!
Dave, what sort of a nutritional approach would you suggest to someone who lifts heavy four days a week… in the wee hours of the morning? I usually wake up at 5:15 and am in the gym by 6.